Missal in my Cell Phone During Mass

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Cat,

You said, “But the cell phone or I-Pad doesn’t cause a person to disregard the Mass, any more than a parish bulletin causes people to write out their grocery list instead of paying attention to the homily.”

I would beg to differ. It may not cause you to disregard the Mass but it does others. (Many parishes do not hand out their bulletins until after Mass because they are distracting. Also, I have NEVER seen a worshiper reading the bulletin during one of my homilies and I have been a deacon for almost three decades.) Many, many people have a near addiction to their electronic device. It puts them in their own little world where they do not have to deal with other people. I have been on retreats or diocesan conferences where priests are playing video games while the presenter is speaking. Electronic devices are distracting to the user. I am not saying that they could never have any use in Church and my post states that. In our small rural parish, we have a mostly elderly congregation. The few that use a smart phone during Mass are young people and they are not using them in order to participate in the Mass. It’s because they can’t stop using them. It is only a technology issue because the distraction is already occurring. As a deacon, I can see what’s going on from the sanctuary.

When I said, “The attitude that it doesn’t matter what others are thinking and they’ll just get over it might be, if anything, a good reason for banning electronic devices from church,” I was being facetious. Notice that what I was criticizing in that sentence was not electronic devices but the attitude that, if a fellow congregant is bothered by one’s use of an electronic device, it’s the problem of the person who is being bothered. It bothered me when Fr. M_ was playing Candy Crush on his computer when the bishop was speaking at a diocesan-wide conference. Should Fr. M_ continue to do so because it’s my problem? The limited, specific use of an electronic device as cited by the original poster could be okay, especially if the user is as concerned about proper use and the feelings of fellow parishioners.

We all need to remember to love people and use things not love things and use people. I have seen so many cases of people being consumed by their cell phone to the neglect of their spouses, children, doctors, store clerks, teachers, friends, beauticians, etc. that I think we should be very, very careful about their use at Mass.
 
What a nightmare picture. It may be true, but those devices don’t put people in touch with the world, they put people in touch with the non-world of the internet and out of touch with the world of people around them, trees, buildings, animals, everything that is real around them. My whole career has been in software and telecom, so I’m not speaking from ignorance.
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Besides, I do remember hearing in the sixties from the priests that one of the reasons for the new Mass was so we would “get our noses out of our missals.” :D:D:D Guess it didn’t work too well. 😛
 
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Besides, I do remember hearing in the sixties from the priests that one of the reasons for the new Mass was so we would “get our noses out of our missals.” :D:D:D Guess it didn’t work too well. 😛
So…are you saying that the people on CAF are not real?
 
Cat,

You said, “But the cell phone or I-Pad doesn’t cause a person to disregard the Mass, any more than a parish bulletin causes people to write out their grocery list instead of paying attention to the homily.”

I would beg to differ. It may not cause you to disregard the Mass but it does others. (Many parishes do not hand out their bulletins until after Mass because they are distracting. Also, I have NEVER seen a worshiper reading the bulletin during one of my homilies and I have been a deacon for almost three decades.) Many, many people have a near addiction to their electronic device. It puts them in their own little world where they do not have to deal with other people. I have been on retreats or diocesan conferences where priests are playing video games while the presenter is speaking. Electronic devices are distracting to the user. I am not saying that they could never have any use in Church and my post states that. In our small rural parish, we have a mostly elderly congregation. The few that use a smart phone during Mass are young people and they are not using them in order to participate in the Mass. It’s because they can’t stop using them. It is only a technology issue because the distraction is already occurring. As a deacon, I can see what’s going on from the sanctuary.

When I said, “The attitude that it doesn’t matter what others are thinking and they’ll just get over it might be, if anything, a good reason for banning electronic devices from church,” I was being facetious. Notice that what I was criticizing in that sentence was not electronic devices but the attitude that, if a fellow congregant is bothered by one’s use of an electronic device, it’s the problem of the person who is being bothered. It bothered me when Fr. M_ was playing Candy Crush on his computer when the bishop was speaking at a diocesan-wide conference. Should Fr. M_ continue to do so because it’s my problem? The limited, specific use of an electronic device as cited by the original poster could be okay, especially if the user is as concerned about proper use and the feelings of fellow parishioners.

We all need to remember to love people and use things not love things and use people. I have seen so many cases of people being consumed by their cell phone to the neglect of their spouses, children, doctors, store clerks, teachers, friends, beauticians, etc. that I think we should be very, very careful about their use at Mass.
I could make all these same arguments against alcohol use by Catholics.

If you’ve been on CAF for any time at all, you will know that Cat is the resident “Carrie Nation”. I believe that alcohol is evil in and of itself, and that ideally, the Church should ban its use in all circumstances (except truly medicinal, as prescribed by a clinician).

Obviously, my viewpoint is not the norm. But I stick with it. I’ve seen so much evil and very little good come out of alcohol use.

People who never intend to become addicted become addicted because of the addictive lure of the substance.

Electronic devices are the same way. People don’t set out to become addicted, but certain personality types are more likely to become addicted and it happens.

But just as multiple bad outcomes from alcohol use doesn’t mean that alcohol should be banned, bad outcomes from electronic device use doesn’t mean that electronic devices are “bad”. Neither should they be banned from Mass.
 
You ALL have these devices? Gee! I have a $10 basic cell phone for use in dire emergency only and rarely if ever use it… cannot afford gadgets!
 
Neither can I and soon I’ll need to give up my car and internet (except where there is Wifi or the library). No poverty?
 
It should be pointed out that someone having a Missal (book) open doesn’t prove they’re paying attention to the Mass. You can be just as distracted with paper – or nothing at all – in your hand, as with a phone or a tablet.
 
I don’t consider something so wondrous as the internet and the small computers that connect us to it as “a bad road.” Yes, it can be and IS used for evil purposes, and can be a stumbling block for some people. But it isn’t anything “bad” in and of itself. It is, as you say, a tool, and an extremely useful one.
I really don’t know if I’m just being really unclear or what.

What I said was, “when you start seeing them [iPhones and iPads] as necessary, you are going down a bad road.” [emphasis in the original]

I didn’t say the Internet was a bad road. I didn’t even say that the iPhones are a bad road. What I said was that seeing them as necessary is a bad road. I’ve been on the internet since before Al Gore invented it. (Anyone else remember text-based web browsers?) It’s not a bad thing. It has bad bits and good bits. But not being able to be away from it for any length of time is a bad road, and it’s one an increasing number of people are on.

If everyone has to have them to participate in society, for example to follow along at Mass, that is a bad road. If you are required to have them with you in order to, e.g. park your car (I have seen parking meters that you can pay with your phone), that is a bad road.

Having the option to use your smartphone for those purposes is not a bad thing. Being required to do so is that bad road I was talking about. (and the parking meters I saw still let you use coins as well, so that was OK. 🙂 )

But please consider what I actually say before commenting on it. In the same way that (emphases all mine):

“Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.” (what people usually quote)
is not the same as:
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.” (what Emerson said)
and:
“Money is the root of all evil” (what people usually quote)
is not the same as:
“For the love of money is the root of all evils;…” (1 Tim 6:10 RSV-CE)
also:
“Seeing portable internet-connected devices as necessary is a bad road”
is not the same as:
“Portable intenet-connected devices are a bad road.”

Not that I’m as holy as St. Paul or as talented as Emerson, but those are the examples that spring to mind. 🙂

–Jen
 
I have several Catholic apps on my mobile phone but I do not use them during Mass. I will use an app before Mass to read the readings ahead of time, before/during Confession or when at Adoration. I make sure the phone is on silent also. I’d rather give God an hour of my time without being tethered to tech items as my job involves tech support.
 
Each to their own, I say. I’m almost 31 and love technology and gadgets but I really love to hold and follow the Mass with my Missal during Mass. I’m a book lover and just love books even though I use my Kindle. If you’re ok with doing it that way and there’s no issues then why not, I say!

Great thread!!
 
Each to their own, I say. I’m almost 31 and love technology and gadgets but I really love to hold and follow the Mass with my Missal during Mass. I’m a book lover and just love books even though I use my Kindle. If you’re ok with doing it that way and there’s no issues then why not, I say!
So should we push for wi-fi inside all of the churches? 🙂
 
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