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FAH
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I’ve seen the missal carried in the opening procession for Papal Masses but I was wondering if anyone had seen this happen at a more local level in their parish? Many thanks.
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YoungTradCath
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Not allowed in parishes. No idea at papal masses. Missal must be on altar before mass starts in parishes. Only Evangeliary (Book of Gospels) may be processed, and either by the deacon, or a lay person, but it is not required by any means.
My parish does process the Evangeliary at almost every mass.
My parish does process the Evangeliary at almost every mass.
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TheMc
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I’ve seen it once or twice, but never on a regular basis.I’ve seen the missal carried in the opening procession for Papal Masses but I was wondering if anyone had seen this happen at a more local level in their parish? Many thanks.
Just a question: are you sure it’s the missal, and not the evangeliarium?
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FAH
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Yes the Deacon carries the Book of the Gospels but I mean can a server carry it (obviously not raised like the Book of the Gospels) because in Papal Masses behind the Pope are the Vimps and sometimes a server with the Sacramentary and microphone.I’ve seen it once or twice, but never on a regular basis.
Just a question: are you sure it’s the missal, and not the evangeliarium?
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JGMendes4049
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The missal may be carried, like how this guy on the right is carrying it:
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NOT like how His Holiness is holding it:
http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/mini/2011-04-24-10-1_A_Vatican_Pope_Easter_Tous.jpg
(That’s actually a Book of the Gospels, not a missal, but you get what I mean.)
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NOT like how His Holiness is holding it:
http://www.newsday.co.tt/galeria/mini/2011-04-24-10-1_A_Vatican_Pope_Easter_Tous.jpg
(That’s actually a Book of the Gospels, not a missal, but you get what I mean.)
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FAH
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Yes thats what I mean.The missal may be carried, like how this guy on the right is carrying it:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HYmckVkkJ...-ZofE/s400/10+-+Crozier+and+Book+bearers.jpeg
Thanks to all of you.
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John_Lilburne
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From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“118. The following are also to be prepared:
a. Next to the priest’s chair: the Missal and, as needed, a hymnal;
b. At the ambo: the Lectionary;
c. On the credence table: the chalice, …”
From the Ceremonial of Bishops (Liturgical Press, 1989, ISBN 0-8146-1818-9):
“125. Requisities for the stational Mass:
a. In the sanctuary (chancel) at the place belonging to each item:
– The Roman Missal (Sacramentary);
– Lectionary for Mass;”
There is a practical difficulty with “Next to the priest’s chair”. What does this mean? Put it on the floor? This hardly accords with this part of the GIRM: “349. In a special way, care must be taken that the liturgical books, particularly the Book of the Gospels and the Lectionary, which are intended for the proclamation of the word of God and hence enjoy special veneration, really serve in a liturgical action as signs and symbols of heavenly realities and hence are truly worthy, dignified, and beautiful.”
So the intention is to have three tables in the sanctuary? The altar, the credence table and the table next to the priest’s chair? That would seem necessary. But there is no mention of this third “table next to the priest’s chair”.
Having the Roman Missal with an altar server seems a practical solution. From the GIRM: “189. Through the entire celebration, the acolyte is to approach the priest or the deacon, whenever necessary, in order to present the book to them and to assist them in any other way required. Thus it is appropriate, insofar as possible, that the acolyte occupy a place from which he can conveniently carry out his ministry either at the chair or at the altar.”
Another “solution” I have often seen is that permitted for “Mass with Only One Minister”:
“256. The priest approaches the altar and, after making a profound bow along with the minister, venerates the altar with a kiss and goes to the chair. If he wishes, the priest may remain at the altar; in this case, the Missal is likewise prepared there.” But for a normal Mass this is clearly not intended.
My conclusion is that it is necessary to have a table next to the priest’s chair in order to follow GIRM n. 118: “Next to the priest’s chair: the Missal and, as needed, a hymnal”.
“118. The following are also to be prepared:
a. Next to the priest’s chair: the Missal and, as needed, a hymnal;
b. At the ambo: the Lectionary;
c. On the credence table: the chalice, …”
From the Ceremonial of Bishops (Liturgical Press, 1989, ISBN 0-8146-1818-9):
“125. Requisities for the stational Mass:
a. In the sanctuary (chancel) at the place belonging to each item:
– The Roman Missal (Sacramentary);
– Lectionary for Mass;”
There is a practical difficulty with “Next to the priest’s chair”. What does this mean? Put it on the floor? This hardly accords with this part of the GIRM: “349. In a special way, care must be taken that the liturgical books, particularly the Book of the Gospels and the Lectionary, which are intended for the proclamation of the word of God and hence enjoy special veneration, really serve in a liturgical action as signs and symbols of heavenly realities and hence are truly worthy, dignified, and beautiful.”
So the intention is to have three tables in the sanctuary? The altar, the credence table and the table next to the priest’s chair? That would seem necessary. But there is no mention of this third “table next to the priest’s chair”.
Having the Roman Missal with an altar server seems a practical solution. From the GIRM: “189. Through the entire celebration, the acolyte is to approach the priest or the deacon, whenever necessary, in order to present the book to them and to assist them in any other way required. Thus it is appropriate, insofar as possible, that the acolyte occupy a place from which he can conveniently carry out his ministry either at the chair or at the altar.”
Another “solution” I have often seen is that permitted for “Mass with Only One Minister”:
“256. The priest approaches the altar and, after making a profound bow along with the minister, venerates the altar with a kiss and goes to the chair. If he wishes, the priest may remain at the altar; in this case, the Missal is likewise prepared there.” But for a normal Mass this is clearly not intended.
My conclusion is that it is necessary to have a table next to the priest’s chair in order to follow GIRM n. 118: “Next to the priest’s chair: the Missal and, as needed, a hymnal”.
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jimrob
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People will quote various authorities for where the Missal should be placed during Mass. The point is of course that the entrance procession is not part of Mass even though the Entrance Antiphon may be recited or sung. Mass starts with the sign of the cross at the beginning of the Penitential Act.
The Missal and the Book of the Gospels may be carried in the entrance procession - although there’s no obligation to do either. The Book of the Gospels is carried by a deacon who should hold it aloft. The Missal is carried by an assistant priest (i.e. not the principal celebrant) who rests the top of it against the lower part of his chest (depending on the size of each). In the West, many priests are ideally equipped with a fine corporation upon which to rest the Missal. If there is only one priest, there is no-one to carry the Missal and it should be put in its correct place in the sanctuary beforehand.
The Missal and the Book of the Gospels may be carried in the entrance procession - although there’s no obligation to do either. The Book of the Gospels is carried by a deacon who should hold it aloft. The Missal is carried by an assistant priest (i.e. not the principal celebrant) who rests the top of it against the lower part of his chest (depending on the size of each). In the West, many priests are ideally equipped with a fine corporation upon which to rest the Missal. If there is only one priest, there is no-one to carry the Missal and it should be put in its correct place in the sanctuary beforehand.
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TheMc
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Where are you getting this information?The Missal is carried by an assistant priest (i.e. not the principal celebrant) who rests the top of it against the lower part of his chest (depending on the size of each). In the West, many priests are ideally equipped with a fine corporation upon which to rest the Missal. If there is only one priest, there is no-one to carry the Missal and it should be put in its correct place in the sanctuary beforehand.
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