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Missing Mass. Sts Peter and Paul holy day of obligation
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Tantum_ergo
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Are you in Great Britain? (The US and Canada do not observe the feast as a holy day). Holy days also have vigils the night before. Can you attend the vigil?There will be three Masses on Thursday but as I have to work 8am-8pm I will miss them all but it is a holy day of obligation. What do I do?
Thanks.
If you cannot attend the vigil or Mass on the day, the best thing to do is to talk to your priest, who can advise you exactly what to do.
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Vico
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I take a vacation day for it. Some are not able to get this approved, so it would not be deliberate.There will be three Masses on Thursday but as I have to work 8am-8pm I will miss them all but it is a holy day of obligation. What do I do?
Thanks.
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2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor. 119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.
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Can. 1248 §1. A person who assists at a Mass celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the feast day itself or in the evening of the preceding day satisfies the obligation of participating in the Mass.
§2. If participation in the eucharistic celebration becomes impossible because of the absence of a sacred minister or for another grave cause, it is strongly recommended that the faithful take part in a liturgy of the word if such a liturgy is celebrated in a parish church or other sacred place according to the prescripts of the diocesan bishop or that they devote themselves to prayer for a suitable time alone, as a family, or, as the occasion permits, in groups of families.
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pianistclare
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Just tell your priest.There will be three Masses on Thursday but as I have to work 8am-8pm I will miss them all but it is a holy day of obligation. What do I do?
Thanks.
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1ke
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You are not expected to do the impossible. As has already been pointed out, legitimate reasons excuse us from the obligation-- if you can’t get off work, you can’t get off work.There will be three Masses on Thursday but as I have to work 8am-8pm I will miss them all but it is a holy day of obligation. What do I do?
Thanks.
You can talk to your pastor if you are concerned about it.
Tis_Bearself
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^This. And if you still feel bad about it, you can always do a “makeup Mass” by going to a Mass you wouldn’t normally attend on a day when you have off work, although such a thing is not required. It would just be a nice gesture on your part.You are not expected to do the impossible. As has already been pointed out, legitimate reasons excuse us from the obligation-- if you can’t get off work, you can’t get off work.
You can talk to your pastor if you are concerned about it.
I personally find it very confusing that the entire world of Catholics do not have the same Holy Days of Obligation but instead each country seems to have its own. .
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Inquiringperson
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Yes. If there are no Masses before 8 AM or after 8 PM that are available that you can go to, and if you can’t get off work, then you simply can’t get off work. As stated, the law does not expect us to do the impossible.You are not expected to do the impossible. As has already been pointed out, legitimate reasons excuse us from the obligation-- if you can’t get off work, you can’t get off work.
You can talk to your pastor if you are concerned about it.
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1ke
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Not exactly.I personally find it very confusing that the entire world of Catholics do not have the same Holy Days of Obligation but instead each country seems to have its own. .
The universal holy days are indeed universal-- they are outlined in canon law.
The bishops’ conferences have the ability to determine whether or not they will all be observed as days of obligation in their countries-- with the approval of the Holy See. And of course, there are valid reasons for this including the situation of the people and their ability to get to masses, number of priests, etc.
Many holy days of obligation used to also be public holidays (and in Europe many still are) but in other parts of the world they are not and as Nelka’s situation indicates-- it is a hardship for some to try to attend. That is not the Church’s intention with holy days-- they are not to be a burden or a source of worry for people. Many are legitimately impeded from attending whereas in days gone by the rhythm of life in the civil arena coincided with the religious-- civic holidays followed the church holy days. The only remnants of that now in the US are Christmas and in some cases Good Friday observations by businesses.
Tis_Bearself
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It’s this batch that confuses me. I understand the practical considerations, but I work with people from a lot of European countries and it’s not uncommon for someone in a country X to have their office closed for Holy Day Such and Such when people in other countries Y and Z are not celebrating it as a public holiday or a holy day of obligation. Then country Y might have a different one another week, and so on. Right here in the US, Ascension Thursday got moved to the following Sunday by many dioceses because of concerns over low Mass attendance, but then some of the other dioceses chose not to move it. It’s hard to keep up with all this stuff and would be easier if we all celebrated all the same days together.Many holy days of obligation used to also be public holidays (and in Europe many still are) but in other parts of the world they are not and as Nelka’s situation indicates-- it is a hardship for some to try to attend. That is not the Church’s intention with holy days-- they are not to be a burden or a source of worry for people. Many are legitimately impeded from attending whereas in days gone by the rhythm of life in the civil arena coincided with the religious-- civic holidays followed the church holy days. The only remnants of that now in the US are Christmas and in some cases Good Friday observations by businesses.
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Vico
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Adoremus published this summary:It’s this batch that confuses me. I understand the practical considerations, but I work with people from a lot of European countries and it’s not uncommon for someone in a country X to have their office closed for Holy Day Such and Such when people in other countries Y and Z are not celebrating it as a public holiday or a holy day of obligation. Then country Y might have a different one another week, and so on. Right here in the US, Ascension Thursday got moved to the following Sunday by many dioceses because of concerns over low Mass attendance, but then some of the other dioceses chose not to move it. It’s hard to keep up with all this stuff and would be easier if we all celebrated all the same days together.
The number Holy Days of Obligation other than Sundays has varied considerably through the Church’s history, and at some periods and places dozens of saints days were included as obligatory.
In 1911, Pope Pius X reduced the number of Holy Days of Obligation for the universal Church to eleven, eliminating most patronal feasts. Even earlier, at the Third Plenary Council of Baltimore (1884), the US bishops had already removed the obligation from the Epiphany, Corpus Christi, and saints days (other than the Blessed Virgin Mary), reducing the number of these days to six, as in the present calendar.
adoremus.org/2007/12/31/Canon-1246-Sundays-and-Holy-Days/
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Roseeurekacross
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A lot of the obligation days are able to be converted to Sundays.
Check with your Priest.
We are having a special Mass this evening and then a talk. ( if we can now run the media gauntlet).
But the obligation, if there is one, is on Sunday, here.
Check with your Priest.
We are having a special Mass this evening and then a talk. ( if we can now run the media gauntlet).
But the obligation, if there is one, is on Sunday, here.
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Vico
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England and Wales have these rules for Latin Catholic Church:A lot of the obligation days are able to be converted to Sundays.
Check with your Priest.
We are having a special Mass this evening and then a talk. ( if we can now run the media gauntlet).
But the obligation, if there is one, is on Sunday, here.
From the 1st Sunday of Advent 2006 the Holydays of Obligations for England and Wales changed. They are:
Every Sunday
Birth of the Lord (25 December)
St Peter & St Paul (29 June)
Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary (15 August)
All Saints (1 November)
The following celebrations have been transferred to the Sunday:
Epiphany of the Lord
Ascension of the Lord
Body and Blood of the Lord
liturgyoffice.org.uk/Calendar/Holydays.shtml
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otjm
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Unless, in working with people from other countries, you are required to travel outside your diocese, the matter is simple: you just find out from the diocese what their position is on the various feast days.It’s this batch that confuses me. I understand the practical considerations, but I work with people from a lot of European countries and it’s not uncommon for someone in a country X to have their office closed for Holy Day Such and Such when people in other countries Y and Z are not celebrating it as a public holiday or a holy day of obligation. Then country Y might have a different one another week, and so on. Right here in the US, Ascension Thursday got moved to the following Sunday by many dioceses because of concerns over low Mass attendance, but then some of the other dioceses chose not to move it. It’s hard to keep up with all this stuff and would be easier if we all celebrated all the same days together.
And that is unlikely to change year to year; if and when it does, most dioceses make that clear fairly early on.
If you are having to go from diocese to diocese in your work, it is still fairly simple: call the diocese when you know you are going to be working there and ask before you leave for there.
Yes, it might be simpler, but it is not all that complex as is.
Tis_Bearself
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The European issue does not affect my going to Mass, it affects when people I work with will be available. As a Catholic, it seems odd to me when people in a different country are off work for a Catholic feast day that in some cases I have never heard of.Unless, in working with people from other countries, you are required to travel outside your diocese, the matter is simple: you just find out from the diocese what their position is on the various feast days.
And that is unlikely to change year to year; if and when it does, most dioceses make that clear fairly early on.
If you are having to go from diocese to diocese in your work, it is still fairly simple: call the diocese when you know you are going to be working there and ask before you leave for there.
Yes, it might be simpler, but it is not all that complex as is.
I travel all the time and can look up on the Internet when I need to go to Mass, but when some US dioceses move a day to Sunday and some do not, one wonders why this is only an issue apparently for some states. I went in a diocese that did not move the Ascension and I did not see low Mass attendance. I have no idea why it would be different for the state next to the one I was in.
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otjm
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Okay, that explains a lot.The European issue does not affect my going to Mass, it affects when people I work with will be available. As a Catholic, it seems odd to me when people in a different country are off work for a Catholic feast day that in some cases I have never heard of.
I would suspect that it is an issue with the majority or even the great majority of states.I travel all the time and can look up on the Internet when I need to go to Mass, but when some US dioceses move a day to Sunday and some do not, one wonders why this is only an issue apparently for some states. I went in a diocese that did not move the Ascension and I did not see low Mass attendance. I have no idea why it would be different for the state next to the one I was in.
And if you want an answer, you might go to one of the states bordering the one that celebrates the Ascension on Thursday, on another feast day not moved to Sunday, and see what their Mass attendance is. Or perhaps several states away.
Where there is good solid attendance, bishops don’t have a need to move the observance to Sunday. The reverse, sadly, is all too true in all too many places - attendance is abysmal during the week, Christmas of course being the exception.
Which is another way of saying that in certain areas of the US, people tend to follow Church rules better than elsewhere. Oregon is notorious for being one of the most unchurched states. And holidays on holy days? Doesn’t happen.
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Vico
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Some Bishops do not want to make the faithful take a day off mid week under pain of sin. It is just like Sundays in that respect. Catechism:The European issue does not affect my going to Mass, it affects when people I work with will be available. As a Catholic, it seems odd to me when people in a different country are off work for a Catholic feast day that in some cases I have never heard of.
I travel all the time and can look up on the Internet when I need to go to Mass, but when some US dioceses move a day to Sunday and some do not, one wonders why this is only an issue apparently for some states. I went in a diocese that did not move the Ascension and I did not see low Mass attendance. I have no idea why it would be different for the state next to the one I was in.
2193 “On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound . . . to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord’s Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body” (CIC, can. 1247).
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Phemie
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In Canada we’re down to two Holy Days of Obligation: Christmas & Mary, Mother of God on Jan. 1. For the rest, a couple have been moved to Sunday and the rest have seen the obligation abrogated.The European issue does not affect my going to Mass, it affects when people I work with will be available. As a Catholic, it seems odd to me when people in a different country are off work for a Catholic feast day that in some cases I have never heard of.
I travel all the time and can look up on the Internet when I need to go to Mass, but when some US dioceses move a day to Sunday and some do not, one wonders why this is only an issue apparently for some states. I went in a diocese that did not move the Ascension and I did not see low Mass attendance. I have no idea why it would be different for the state next to the one I was in.
While Christmas is well attended, as expected, the attendance at the masses for Mary, Mother of God is less than spectacular. In my parish even our choir doesn’t bother showing up because they’ve been partying too hard the night before (not my assumption, it’s the excuse they give).
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Vico
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I noticed that, similarly, the Diocese of Honolulu, with Vatican consent, has two days of obligation beyond all Sundays:In Canada we’re down to two Holy Days of Obligation: Christmas & Mary, Mother of God on Jan. 1. For the rest, a couple have been moved to Sunday and the rest have seen the obligation abrogated.
While Christmas is well attended, as expected, the attendance at the masses for Mary, Mother of God is less than spectacular. In my parish even our choir doesn’t bother showing up because they’ve been partying too hard the night before (not my assumption, it’s the excuse they give).
- Dec. 8, the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary, patroness of the U.S.A. (Called the Dormition, in the eastern Catholic churches).
- Dec. 25, Christmas.
- Solemnity of Mary, the Holy Mother of God (re-established 1969 for the General Roman Calendar).
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Roseeurekacross
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We had a lovely Mass tonight. It focussed on the two Apostles, Peter and Paul.
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1ke
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That is a civil matter, not a religious one. The governments of the countries determine holidays.The European issue does not affect my going to Mass, it affects when people I work with will be available.
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