Twice divorced and a recovered “drug addict” who became addicted to pain pills after a surgery (extremely common). Total lack of charity here and bearing false witness.
Strong Independent Womyn? Men don’t want her and she pretends not to want men, so everyone is happy.
Are you a man?
Probably true. I wouldn’t want to marry a Strong Independent Womyn so I don’t expect she’d want to marry me.
I agree, for a lot of reasons but one that I haven’t discussed for some time is the reason I heard from a priest years ago. He was concerned that too many men would avoid the responsibilities of marriage and family if given a “vocation” they could use as an out. He said women were less likely to do this because women are more given to self-sacrifice. It’s one of the reasons I don’t see a male version of Canon 604 happening. And from what I’ve observed on these fora over the last 13 years is a lot of men looking for something to bless their single state. Without a doubt many should not seek marriage but nor should they stop working toward being marriageable., Maturity, holiness, selflessness are important no matter what one’s vocation.
If you skip over all the replies on the Rush-Limbaugh-themed thread derailment, the rest of the thread is not bad. There are some thoughtful replies and respectful dialogue.
I think people mean “buy a reasonably priced house”, not buy one in some ridiculous market like Vancouver or San Francisco. To be very honest, if I were in a market like that, I would move before I’d pay those prices for a house. I did not buy any house in the District of Columbia for the same reason. I am currently sitting in essentially the same era and type of house I would have bought in DC but it is located somewhere else and hence cost under half as much (and still is verging on “too expensive” for my taste).
I have known some women who were not married in their mid-30s. I’d say maybe 1/3 to 1/2 were divorcees and the other batch had just been involved in their careers or had not met the right man. To characterize them as “mostly divorcees” is a bit off.
And there we go, a key factor in this. Almost no one “has to” get married. There are plenty of pursuits in life beyond marriage for both sexes.
I wonder about this. Had they refused to cohabitate, I very much doubt their exes would have proposed. In a way I think we are on the verge of an era where few attempt to date because the process is not worth it.
Those aren’t the only options, thank goodness.
I suspect the geography matters a lot with regard to mix of divorcees, with more divorcees in areas with early marriage and fewer in areas with older marriage.
I think that’s what you say when you haven’t met the right person yet.
It’s not just a matter of getting the man to propose. Sorry if I left that impression. The woman is just as likely to “not to want to get married” as the guy.
Looking back on that course, there was a subconscious layer of feminism there. I know a friend of ours well who is 35years old, a “sophomore” in college, majoring in journalism and Japanese culture. She is also a career waitress. Has no husband, children, or ownership of anything. Not even a car. She has been to dinner with my wife and I, telling us that she doesn’t need a “husband or marriage or worse…children”. I simply offered if she was much older and gets sick, who would take care of her which she had no reply.
Seriously, do you think this woman would be mother of the year?
None of the things a man finds attractive or desirable and she will be 15 years past her prime when she finally gets it. Of course since we assume a normal rate of sexual partners for these young women she will also have all that emotional baggage and a few STDs.
I know you don’t find it attractive, but middle class American men mostly marry middle class American women with educations and careers.
Dumb, submissive, and pretty… that seems to sum up certain posters’ “ideal” woman. Sad.
Except it’s all in theory–they can never find one that’s dumb, submissive and pretty enough.
That is quite judgmental and untrue. Many, if not most, married couples in large sections of the country manage just fine without being high earners, and dual income high earners are rare in even larger sections of the country.