Mississippi Could Become First Abortion-Free State

[Farsight001]

Having a clinic available is not “encouraging” abortion, they are fighting against a state where abortion may not ever be legally allowed. That’s not encouragement in any way. Whether you want to keep a child or give it away sounds like a different issue, the issue here is having available a choice to abort a fetus

Did you even read the article? Abortion is quite allowed even after the law changes. The law simply states that anyone performing abortions must 1) be an ob/gyn, which makes sense, as they are the ones who are experts on the issue at hand and 2) have admitting rights at a hospital, which also makes sense because things go wrong with abortions, doctors discover issues which need to be addressed first, or the woman might decide she wants to have the kid anyway, in which case, admitting rights at the nearest hospital are nearly a necessity.

The fact that the clinic would choose to shut down rather than comply with the law, which happens all over the country at the slightest restrictive enacted law, only illustrates the fact that it’s about promoting abortion instead of promoting choice. It’s more difficult to perform abortions, so instead of stay open and provide other services, or comply with the restrictions (getting admitting rights is a breeze.) and continue to perform just as many abortions as before, they choose to give up and shut down. In other words, they can’t do it exactly the way they want to do it, so they’re going to throw a temper tantrum and storm off.

 

[Farsight001]

If this calls for the complete annihilation of abortion then no, it’s not a murder of offspring when you choose to abort a fetus, and the idea that unwanted pregnancies have to be forced to birth sickens me. Again, not all want abortion to be gone and the availability of an abortion clinic is not “forced” on anybody.

By definition, yes it is. A fetus is, by definition, a living human being. You can check any medical dictionary or biology textbook on the planet. They’ll all say it. Murder is, by definition, the taking of the life of another human being not in self defense or war. Since abortion is not performed in self defense or in war, it is, by definition, murder.

And you know what sickens me? The idea that there are such a thing as “unwanted pregnancies”.

 

[JDFatalist]

By definition, yes it is. A fetus is, by definition, a living human being. You can check any medical dictionary or biology textbook on the planet. They’ll all say it. Murder is, by definition, the taking of the life of another human being not in self defense or war. Since abortion is not performed in self defense or in war, it is, by definition, murder.

And you know what sickens me? The idea that there are such a thing as “unwanted pregnancies”.

Well this right here is the issue, Catholics think abortion is wrong from the moment of conception, a fetus, by definition, is not human at the moment of conception.

 

[estesbob]

Well this right here is the issue, Catholics think abortion is wrong from the moment of conception, a fetus, by definition, is not human at the moment of conception.

You are entitled to your own opinion.but not your own facts Seperate , distinct HUMAN life is present from the moment of conception on. There is no dispute about this FACT

 

[JDFatalist]

You are entitled to your own opinion.but not your own facts Seperate , distinct HUMAN life is present from the moment of conception on. There is no dispute about this FACT

Saying it’s a fact doesn’t make it so. There’s a massive difference the moment of conception and the fetus at the end of its third trimester. It’s not “fact” that the initial zygote cell is “human” the same way a 3 year old or new born is.

 

[estesbob]

Saying it’s a fact doesn’t make it so. There’s a massive difference the moment of conception and the fetus at the end of its third trimester. It’s not “fact” that the initial zygote cell is “human” the same way a 3 year old or new born is.

And a 3 year old is different from a 50 year old. So what?

 

[Farsight001]

Well this right here is the issue, Catholics think abortion is wrong from the moment of conception, a fetus, by definition, is not human at the moment of conception.

By definition, yes, it in fact, is. Consult at least one medical dictionary as I suggested before you start talking.

 

[Lochias]

Saying it’s a fact doesn’t make it so. There’s a massive difference the moment of conception and the fetus at the end of its third trimester. It’s not “fact” that the initial zygote cell is “human” the same way a 3 year old or new born is.

Sure it is. What else do you think it is, a chicken zygote?

Murder’s murder, and the complete annihilation of abortion can only ever be for the good of humanity. May Mississippi be the first of all 50 states to return full dignity to human life.

 

[rturner76]

And let it be the return of the oh so wonderful days of the bathtub abortion my aunt had pre Roe v Wade. Laws don’t stop abortions. Only make them unsafe.

 

[estesbob]

And let it be the return of the oh so wonderful days of the bathtub abortion my aunt had pre Roe v Wade. Laws don’t stop abortions. Only make them unsafe.

Laws dont stop rape-only make them more violent.

The myh of the back allay abortion is just that-a myth. In the years prior to Roe being imposed 92% of abortions were performed by a licensed physician in a sterile environment per the CDC maternal deaths from illegal abortions was less than 400 a year-about the same as now. The biggest change legalizing abortion was a fourfould increase in them- fr 400,000 a year to 1.6 million

 

[Corki]

It’s not “fact” that the initial zygote cell is “human” the same way a 3 year old or new born is.

Actually, from a purely scientific point of view, that’s exactly the fact.

Have you ever seen those pictures of early embryos of various organiisms where they all look alike - human, dolphin, monkey, alligator? What actual differentiates them is their genetic make-up. The genetic make up is what makes one embryo “human” and another a dolphin. And the genetic make-up, the very thing that make is human, is EXACTLY the same a few moments after conception as it is at six months gestation, just before birth, at 6 weeks old and at 21 years old.

Saying it’s a fact doesn’t make it so. There’s a massive difference the moment of conception and the fetus at the end of its third trimester

There are differences at every stage of development. And it’s not linear, either. There is a massive difference between a newborn that is dependent on a caregiver for its very existance than a teenager who can feed himself and self locate. OTOH, a newborn and an infirm elderly person are less different than a newborn and a 10 year old.

Even physically, an 8 week embryo (the most common stage for abortions) is more similar to an almost born “embryo” than either is to a newborn. Both of the former can exist and grow without direct action on anyone’s part - a newborn cannot.

 

[BobCatholic]

And nobody is “forcing” abortion, they are promoting the choice to have one, huge difference.

The unborn child is forced to die. The father is forced to have his child die if he disagrees. The grandparents are forced to have their grandchild die. And so on and so on.

So you are wrong.

Lots of people are not having a choice.

This has nothing to do with choice. This has everything to do with denying all human rights to the baby.

Imagine, a society where you must obtain permission from ONE PERSON in order to have human rights. We have that now.

 

[DennisTate]

Mississippi Could Become First Abortion-Free State

Jackson, MS – The Mississippi state Senate has approved a measure that abortion backers strongly oppose because it could resulting in stopping abortions at the last remaining abortion facility in the state, making it the first abortion-free state in the country.

lifenews.com/2012/04/05/mississippi-could-become-first-abortion-free-state/

I read some statistics on what occurred in Poland that were certainly encouraging!

abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_27.asp

“I’d still worry that if you forbid abortion, it will just go back to back-alley butchery and lots of mothers dying.”

"We’ve had an example of an entire nation in recent years. It was Poland. Under Communist rule in the ’80s, there were consistently over 100,000 abortions registered each year as compared to about 600,000 births. With the establishment of some self-government in 1990, with both the Church and doctors discouraging abortion, the numbers fell to 59,400.

Let’s list the 1990 figures and then look ahead to 1994, the second year after abortion was forbidden except for danger to the life or health of the mother, rape and fetal handicap.

1990
Total abortions 59,417
Women’s deaths connected with pregnancy 90
Miscarriages 59,454
Cases of infanticide 31
Births 546,000

1994
Total abortions 782
Women’s deaths connected with pregnancy 57
Miscarriages 49,970
Cases of infanticide 17
Births 482,000

“During this time the number of registered abortions declined to 176th of what it had been, and there was not a single death due to illegal abortion. All of these figures are exactly opposite of what International Planned Parenthood people in Poland predicted when the restrictive law was passed.”

 

[antunesaa]

Just for the record, this state is ranked #5 in teen pregnancy (as of 2005)
guttmacher.org/pubs/USTPtrends.pdf

It’s nice to know that whatever they’re doing down there is working (for certain values of “working”).

I’ll wager that the states with the strongest pro-life leanings have higher teen pregnancy rates, lower education rates, and higher divorce rates.

Anyone want to take my wager?

With the first two you’re possibly right, with the last probably wrong. What does that prove?

It is also well-known that, among less favored classes and less educated people, the Democratic Party has a disproportionate fraction of the vote. Does that make the Democratic Party less relevant or defensible?

Those misleading correlations that anyone with half a brain can identify do not matter.

The real question is: what is better, more teen pregnancies or more instances of that primitive and barbaric act that is abortion?

 

[antunesaa]

If this calls for the complete annihilation of abortion then no, it’s not a murder of offspring when you choose to abort a fetus, and the idea that unwanted pregnancies have to be forced to birth sickens me. Again, not all want abortion to be gone and the availability of an abortion clinic is not “forced” on anybody.

Why does it sicken you? Ever heard of personal responsibility? Acts have consequences and one consequence of certain acts is that babies are engendered. What you can’t do is “solve” the problem by terminating pregnancy (and killing a human being) through that primitive, cruel and barbaric procedure called abortion. Maybe any alternative solution is difficult and in many cases no one really wants that the baby is born. But killing the baby is really traversing an ethical frontier that puts our modern world to shame, like it did before in many of the previous great civilizations.

And invoking the differences between a fetus and a newborn does not help. It’s an arbitrary, sloppy and self-serving argument. In the end, it’s just another way that we have of rationalizing evil. Even primitive tribes in Amazonia have to do it. The Yanomani used to kill newborn babies if the tribe council decided that they couldn’t feed the baby properly. But, and here’s the catch, their basic religion (and being an atheist you no doubt will tell me that it’s been invented by them) tells them that the same child will reincarnate later, so they didn’t really kill the child; they just postponed the child’s birth. You see the parallel between the modern denying the human status of a fetus, and the savage denying that he in fact killed the baby? What they really want is to forget that they performed a violent, cruel and evil act.

PS: luckily for baby Yanomanis, missionaries and other people have a scheme where they ask the tribe to spare the babies doomed to death and hand them over so that they can be fed and educated elsewhere. An old missionary told me this; his congregation has been with the Yanomani for the last 50 years and haven’t baptized a single Yanomani. The leaders of the tribe told them that once they’re prepared to convert to Christianity, if they ever are, they will do it en masse.

 

[Corki]

The unborn child is forced to die. The father is forced to have his child die if he disagrees. The grandparents are forced to have their grandchild die. And so on and so on.

So you are wrong.

**Lots of people are not having a choice.**This has nothing to do with choice. This has everything to do with denying all human rights to the baby.

Imagine, a society where you must obtain permission from ONE PERSON in order to have human rights. We have that now.

Add to that the fact that up to a third of the women who “choose” to have abortions are doing so against their will, after having been threatened, coerced and even dragged to the clinics.

In the context of the OP (the Mississippi law) restricting abortions to doctors with actual hospital privaleges should save lives of babies and mothers. A “doctor” who stands to lose privaleges and/or be dragged in front of an ethics board is less inclined to perform abortions on women and girls who are brought to him against their will.

Those “choice” people who have been using the catch phrase “legal, safe and rare” should be applauding this law.

 

[Stilldreamn]

The governor did sign this into law - it goes into effect July1!

 

[LittleSoldier]

The governor did sign this into law - it goes into effect July1!

Unless some judge in some court somewhere decides that he/she doesn’t like it and says it’s unconstitutional and smacks it down.

I’m hopeful but expecting to be disappointed.

Still, it is a huge step in the right direction and even if a judge nullifies it, it can’t take that away.

Thank God.