Mixed Christian marriage problems

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Hi CA members!

I just joined today so I hope this is the best page for this question. Backstory: I was raised catholic, knew the main beliefs of the faith but lacked a solid understanding of it and not much ability to defend it. My wife was baptist. Around the time we got married, she joined the church. Time went by and we had our first of 2 girls. Mass in the cry room was aweful, and the few times we tried to go into the sanctuary people were rude. Once I went out the front door with my daughter, (there was no narthex) and an usher walked out of the church to tell me she was still too loud. I was in the street, so we took that as not being welcome at all. She suggested we go to her old church after we tried other parishes and met similar problems. I relented and we started going to baptist church. I guess it has been around 2 years now. Anyway, I feel all of a sudden strongly pulled back to the church, and this is going badly. We have another girl who has not yet been baptized and I want her to be. This is causing serious strife. What should I do? She is furious. 😦
 
I’ll say a prayer for you and your family. Find a way to go to mass if that’s where your heart’s leading you. The rest will be harder, as you say.

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
:angel1:
 
Thanks for the prayer. Is there anyone out there that has ever had a similar problem? Did anything help or hurt? Really what I would like would be for her to learn with me more about the faith and return with new understanding and appreciation. Most of our discussions have exposed that she never really reconciled her feelings toward the church in the first place so this further compounds the problem. Right now I would just settle for being free to go to mass openly and be allowed to at least share my faith with the kids. Keep the prayer coming.
 
Thanks for the prayer. Is there anyone out there that has ever had a similar problem? Did anything help or hurt? Really what I would like would be for her to learn with me more about the faith and return with new understanding and appreciation. Most of our discussions have exposed that she never really reconciled her feelings toward the church in the first place so this further compounds the problem. Right now I would just settle for being free to go to mass openly and be allowed to at least share my faith with the kids. Keep the prayer coming.
I’m terribly sorry that you encountered such a problem with that parish. Not all parishes are that unwelcoming. I understand your wife’s feelings. A friend of mine thought that she might be interested in the Catholic Church so she went to talk to a priest in a local parish about it. He was very rude to her. She told me that she is no longer interested in the CC. I was very angry with that priest. I suggest that you pray for your wife meanwhile pray and ask the Lord to help you find a good Catholic parish. Maybe you could visit other parishes around your area.

Annie
 
I am interested to know what made the experience in the cry room awful. I also am not sure how loud your daughter was but I can tell you I have sat in Church with some pretty LOUD children, and I have never seen an usher even look in their direction.

Either way, you are right to feel the desire to return to the Church with your family. You can’t change the past 2 years, but you can move forward towards what is right. I am not sure how you should go about it as I don’t know your wife, but I would begin having talks with her about it. She came with your before to Mass, I believe she could again. I am not sure if you were referring to your wife as the one who is ‘furious’, but perhaps you should tell her exactly how much this means to you. You are a Catholic man, and you don’t have the ‘privilege’ of Protestants who think nothing of bouncing from Baptist churches to assemblies of God, to Non denominational churches. A Catholic does not have this luxury, and I would tell her how much this weighs on your heart.

I would also talk to the Pastor at your Parish about your concerns with your children. I would emphasize to him that you desire your family to come to Mass. I think he will make reasonable accommodations, if only to tell the usher to not make you leave. As for the stares from the people. There isn’t much you can do about that, but you are there for Christ, and if sometimes you have to be uncomfortable, so be it.

Don’t give up, ever. Even if you never get them back in a Catholic Church again. Never give up. You are your daughter’s father and your wife’s husband. You have a sacred duty. I know it isn’t very popular to say those things much these days. Just do your very best and even if you have to eat some crow, all for the glory of God.
 
Oh yeah, and I almost forgot. “Rome Sweet Home” by Scott Hahn was virtually made for situations like this. If you haven’t given it to her to read, I think you should.
 
I wish I had words of wisdom right now, but mainly I just understand where you are and will pray for you as I pray for myself.

When your wife married you, she knew you were Catholic. She knows, whether she likes to think of it or not, that you are both obligated to raise these children as Catholics, and she should know that whatever building you have been listening to preaching in, you are still Catholic. Would she not try another parish, or perhaps switch off with you going to one Mass and her another? Not ideal, I know, but as the mom of seven, I also know what Sunday mornings really look like.

My heart is heavy for you, because I am also in a mixed marriage and know the pain that can sometimes bring. The Lord is obviously calling you home to the Church. The strife in your marriage isn’t going to be made better by ignoring this move of the Holy Spirit. It may be that through your faithfulness in the hard things, your entire family will be won.

Prayer for a Family

O dear Jesus, I humbly implore You to grant Your special graces to our family. May our home be the shrine of peace, purity, love, labor and faith. I beg You, dear Jesus, to protect and bless all of us, absent and present, living and dead.

O Mary, loving Mother of Jesus, and our Mother, pray to Jesus for our family, for all the families of the world, to guard the cradle of the newborn, the schools of the young and their vocations.

Blessed Saint Joseph, holy guardian of Jesus and Mary, assist us by your prayers in all the necessities of life. Ask of Jesus that special grace which He granted to you, to watch over our home at the pillow of the sick and the dying, so that with Mary and with you, heaven may find our family unbroken in the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

Amen.
 
Oh yeah, and I almost forgot. “Rome Sweet Home” by Scott Hahn was virtually made for situations like this. If you haven’t given it to her to read, I think you should.
It is funny you should bring up that book, because the day I felt called back to the church out of the blue I went to mass that day and they had that book for free on the table so I took it and read it in two nights. After reading it I decided that I really did need to return, and which was the catalyst of the current situation. My prayer is that God will use this to help my marriage and our walk with Him one day. I have been studying the bible and CC like I never did before and I love it! I just wish I could share my newfound joy with the joy of my life…

To answer the question about the cry room, mainly our problem is that one, there are no speakers on so u can’t hear a thing, and the late people without kids come in there and sit and then act like we’re bothering them. And in my opinion you can’t really teach a child much about church if you are more or less separated from it. We have a church nursery at mass which we tried, but it is one small room, with one sitter, and dozens of kids, all of them far too old to be there. I’m sorry but if you are ten, you need to be in the church and not running around the nursery with actual babies.
 
Hi CA members!

I just joined today so I hope this is the best page for this question. Backstory: I was raised catholic, knew the main beliefs of the faith but lacked a solid understanding of it and not much ability to defend it. My wife was baptist. Around the time we got married, she joined the church. Time went by and we had our first of 2 girls. Mass in the cry room was aweful, and the few times we tried to go into the sanctuary people were rude. Once I went out the front door with my daughter, (there was no narthex) and an usher walked out of the church to tell me she was still too loud. I was in the street, so we took that as not being welcome at all. She suggested we go to her old church after we tried other parishes and met similar problems. I relented and we started going to baptist church. I guess it has been around 2 years now. Anyway, I feel all of a sudden strongly pulled back to the church, and this is going badly. We have another girl who has not yet been baptized and I want her to be. This is causing serious strife. What should I do? She is furious. 😦
I think I would contact Marcus Grodi’s ministry, The Coming Home network. There seems to a lot more going on here you should get support and advise for than what can be given over the internet. They have dealt with situations like yours where one spouse wants to join or go back and the other not. I think thought instead of getting into a fight about the baptism for the 3rd child is to try and focus on enticing her to go back. It sounds like a terrible experience before hand for all of you. The usher had no business following you out of Church and it is too bad that you didn’t go back to complain about him because that is bullying pure and simple.
 
go to different churches and see which one is most kid-friendly. you may have to try a lot of different (catholic) churches.

also, can you go to sat. vigial mass and weekly mass???

I have to do this as well, I am single/catholic no husband, but I have some obligations sunday morning so this is what happens to me.

also, sunday night masses. check for that. who knows… maybe the kids will also be curious?

I don’t see a big deal with still attending the Baptist church with your wife, what is it one hour of your life a week? it’s not like it’s destroying your family.

I would just block that out, ok— but YOU get to pick whatever mass you want-- sat vigil, sunday, also ANY catholic events (bible study/dinners/whatever) also any Baptist EVENTS you are available for, Whatever, just go, I mean, she’s your wife!!!
 
go to different churches and see which one is most kid-friendly. you may have to try a lot of different (catholic) churches.

also, can you go to sat. vigial mass and weekly mass???

I have to do this as well, I am single/catholic no husband, but I have some obligations sunday morning so this is what happens to me.

also, sunday night masses. check for that. who knows… maybe the kids will also be curious?

I don’t see a big deal with still attending the Baptist church with your wife, what is it one hour of your life a week? it’s not like it’s destroying your family.

I would just block that out, ok— but YOU get to pick whatever mass you want-- sat vigil, sunday, also ANY catholic events (bible study/dinners/whatever) also any Baptist EVENTS you are available for, Whatever, just go, I mean, she’s your wife!!!
Your answer is a little flippant. A Catholic is suppose to attend a Catholic church an not regularly attend non-Catholic Churches. You can’t have it both ways. The problem here is that they previously went to the Catholic church, she is a recent (probably half-hearted) convert, they had some bad experiences and then went back to her Baptist Church. Maybe you think that it’s no big deal but there are hugh differences between the Catholic Church and Baptist. This is a tricky situation because he will probably have to woo her back and she sounds very resistant in returning.
 
That sounds pretty close to the problem I face. She is quite upset with me and tries to hinder me in everyway possible to go to mass now. I shudder to think what she would say if I asked to go to reconciliation!

My Lord,

My heart feels split open. This all feels like it happened so fast and out of the blue. I don’t know why You allowed things to go this way, but I trust in You, Jesus. Keep me strong and patient. Let not my wife’s heart be hardened against me or Your Church. May the imperfect suffering of my own heart be joined with the perfect suffering of Your most Sacred Heart. God grant my family peace and unity in time. Amen.

I continually welcome your prayers, advice, and encouragement. If there is anyone else out there who is suffering similarly I welcome you also to ask your questions on this thread as this is not completely unique to me. God bless all of you and CA forums.
 
That sounds pretty close to the problem I face. She is quite upset with me and tries to hinder me in everyway possible to go to mass now. I shudder to think what she would say if I asked to go to reconciliation!

My Lord,

My heart feels split open. This all feels like it happened so fast and out of the blue. I don’t know why You allowed things to go this way, but I trust in You, Jesus. Keep me strong and patient. Let not my wife’s heart be hardened against me or Your Church. May the imperfect suffering of my own heart be joined with the perfect suffering of Your most Sacred Heart. God grant my family peace and unity in time. Amen.

I continually welcome your prayers, advice, and encouragement. If there is anyone else out there who is suffering similarly I welcome you also to ask your questions on this thread as this is not completely unique to me. God bless all of you and CA forums.
Can you get to counseling, preferably with a Catholic counselor, like from Catholic Social services? You could start with individual counseling. Later, you might want to consider marriage counseling.

It’s just that it doesn’t seem fair that your wife is sabotaging your church going.
 
We are currently in counseling for some number of months with a Christian counseling group but it is not catholic. Unfortunately the nearest CSS is 2 hrs from hear and they don’t offer counseling services. And I’m pretty sure that she would not want to go to a catholic one even if we had that. She doesn’t really want me to go to meet with a priest at all either. I’m going to see the pastor of our old parish next week about these problems.
 
Welcome home. I am sorry for what you are going through. Praying for you. Maybe you could check out a Family Mass.
 
That sounds pretty close to the problem I face. She is quite upset with me and tries to hinder me in everyway possible to go to mass now. I shudder to think what she would say if I asked to go to reconciliation!
  1. It depends on what time you go to mass. There are a lot of kids at the later masses. Also, some (not many) have nurseries for the kids. It also takes practice for the kids to sit and be quiet/interested in mass.
  2. I’m sorry that your spouse isn’t supportive of your (our) faith. There are huge differences in our cultures (I’m a former Baptist) and I’d really watch out if she tries to get the kids enrolled in Sunday School. She may be your wife, but the theology behind her faith is a lot different than Catholicism. She needs to respect your faith as much as you respect her faith and I don’t see that in your marriage.
I don’t mean to be cynical, but this whole situation reeks of she thinks that she can somehow convert you to HER faith if you just go to HER church long enough and you’ll eventually see the “truth”. Obviously, somewhere along the line you haven’t made it clear that you are a Catholic and that you aren’t interested in being something else.

My husband made that abundantly clear to me that he wouldn’t put up with me trying to ‘convert’ him or ‘save him’ and that if he was going to go Protestant w/me then it would be Lutheran or not at all. Your faith matters too and just because she’s your wife doesn’t mean that you should “compromise” and go to a Baptist church just because she’s a Baptist. You have an obligation to raise your kids Catholic. You like being a Catholic Man. Be Catholic.

You don’t need to ask her permission to go to Confession. That’s another mistake you are making right there. Call up the priest and make an appointment if you can’t go on Saturdays. I’m sure the priest would be happy to give you some guidance on this issue.

I’m not saying be a jerk to your wife. Don’t get me wrong. However, I’ve been in Baptist/evangelical circles long enough to know that you are a prime target for conversion to HER FAITH because she’s dictating where the family goes to church and trying to hinder your relationship with the Lord. Spouses are supposed to encourage us to have a deeper relationship w/God and love us and God w/out condition.

It’s okay if she goes to one church on Sunday and you go to another. That’s how I would handle it.

Anyway - hope you get something out of my post. Good luck. God bless.
 
Thank you Kal2012. That was helpful. I did technically join her church for about 2 years but found myself needing more. That is why I’m coming back, but she seems to feel the need to re-convert me. Or perhaps she thinks that if she hinders it long enough I’ll give up. As for Sunday school, the kids are already there and she also believes that if I go to a different church it will “confuse” the children and ruin their walk with The Lord.
 
When I married my husband 10 years ago we were Pagans. He had been raised Catholic, but left the Church in his teens. We journeyed together from Pagan, to Atheist, to Agnostic. This past spring he felt the desire to return to Catholicism.

I have to admit to a bit of a panic response. I wondered what this change in faith would do to our marriage, what it would do to our intimate relationship, if the Church would somehow create distance between us, if Catholicism would change our day-to-day lives, how I would explain this to friends and family that knew his rather strong anti-Christianity sentiments for years, and I wondered what the heck do Catholics really believe and what goes on at Mass.

I recognized my husbands right as a person to choose and freely practice his own faith and I did not hinder him in any way. I opted to research on my own and talk about things with him. This lead me to these forums and to some rather stimulating videos of lectures and documentaries on Youtube about Catholicism, the history of the Church, the councils. What I learned was interesting as the Church has a long and rich history. These videos also gave my husband and I many hours of conversation and debate, which brought us closer together as good communication often does. I became comfortable with Catholicism and was even prepared to begin the annulment process (I was married and divorced…we’re waiting for the Tribunals decision so we can convalidate) so that my DH could receive the sacraments.

The first time he went to speak to the priest I was a bit…unsettled. I mean, I want him to tell me what is in his heart and on his mind., not some stranger. I was also a bit unsettled by Confession. I wanted him to tell me what his sins were so I could help him be a better person, not tell them to some stranger. You’re not supposed to have secrets from your wife…one flesh and all that. But I became comfortable when I met the priest (he is awesome!) and when my husband flat out told me that he would talk with me about things that were relevant to our relationship, but that everything else was between him, the priest, and God.

I ended up going to Mass on Pentecost and felt at home, so I am in the process of converting to Catholicism.

If your wife is anything like me, she may be feeling threatened by this change and she may need a lot of reassurance that this will actually improve your marriage. She may have some misconceptions about the faith and need to be shown reliable sources that can educate her on the teachings of the Church and the thinking behind those teachings. Involve your wife as much as she is willing, but do not waver and definitely go see your pastor. Definitely go to Confession and to Mass. Seeing you practice your faith, seeing how happy this makes you, and seeing that the practice of your faith is not harming your marriage will go further than anything you say.

Have you pointed out that you are respectful of her faith and that her disrespect of your faith is hurtful? Have you explained to her, calmly and firmly, that you have a natural right to decide on and practice your faith without interference? Does she understand that her negative reaction is divisive and could create distance between you?

Also wouldn’t hurt to remind her that you have an obligation to raise your children Catholic and that you, as their father, have every right to take them to Mass. Even young children can understand simple concepts like “The Catholic Church does things this way and the Baptist Church does things that way.”
 
Thanks MJJean. You made a lot of very true points. I think something that will be difficult for her to understand is my responsibility to raise them catholic. She feels an equal obligation from her perspective. Is there someway to defend this position? I have brought up bringing my oldest to mass with me and she was pretty quick to shut that down. Suggestions? I don’t want her to think I’m superior to her based on my faith.
 
Thanks MJJean. You made a lot of very true points. I think something that will be difficult for her to understand is my responsibility to raise them catholic. She feels an equal obligation from her perspective. Is there someway to defend this position? I have brought up bringing my oldest to mass with me and she was pretty quick to shut that down. Suggestions? I don’t want her to think I’m superior to her based on my faith.
Well, if there are conflicting parental obligations the best course of action would be some sort of compromise so that both parents could satisfy their obligations and keep the peace at the same time. Maybe arrange to go to Mass with the kids before or after her church services. Her attendance is optional, and she would be welcome, but the kids attendance is not optional.

It’s not about faith superiority, and I would specifically tell her that, it’s about you being an equal parent and your right to spend time with the children, bond with the children, and instruct them in your faith. You are the children’s father. You have every right legally and naturally to bring them with you to Mass if you wish.

It’s often hard for mothers to recognize that their children are also someone else’s children. We carry and birth them, we usually do most of the infant and toddler care, and we tend to make most of the practical arrangements such as doctors visits and so on. So, we think of the kids are ours. It’s difficult for us to truly understand that the children are just as much their fathers as they are ours. If she’s having trouble letting go a bit and letting you be a full and equal parent it is understandable, but it is something she will have to get used to and accept. And something you will have to stand firm on and remind her of until she can share the kids without issue.

She may also be using the kids as a way to keep you at her church. Maybe she thinks that if the kids can’t go to Mass, you will not go. So, again, you have to be firm and stand your ground.

As far as I know, there is not a written obligation for a Baptist to raise their kids in that faith. But the feeling of obligation may be very real. The Catholic Church requires Catholics do everything in their power to raise their children in the Catholic faith. It’s actually written down. However, I have only been able to find reference to this online in relation to mixed faith marriages to be validly recognized by the Church. I have seen the Catholic-Catholic marriage forms our diocese uses (because I hope to be filling them out soon!) and they also state that any children born of the marriage will be brought up Catholic, but I don’t think anyone makes a big deal of this since it is presumed that two Catholics raising children would do it in the faith automatically.

Did you marry in the Church? You said your wife converted “about the time” you married, so was it before or after the marriage? Was your marriage recognized by the Church? If so, somewhere in the paperwork you should find reference to raising the kids Catholic. If you don’t have the Church form anywhere I am sure the diocese or the parish that you married in would have them.

*The Code of Canon Law states:

A marriage between two persons, one of whom has been baptized in the Catholic Church or received into it . . . and the other of whom is not baptized, is invalid. (CIC 1086)A marriage is prohibited between two baptized persons of whom one is baptized in the Catholic Church or received into it after baptism . . . and the other of whom is enrolled in a Church or ecclesial community not in full communion with the Catholic Church. (CIC 1124)

That said, the Church does allow bishops to grant permission for such marriages provided the following conditions are met:

*The Catholic party is to declare that he or she is prepared to remove dangers of defecting from the faith and is to make a sincere promise to do all in his or her power so that all offspring are baptized and brought up in the Catholic Church.

*The other party is to be informed at an appropriate time about the promises that the Catholic party is to make, in such a way that it is certain that he or she is truly aware of the promise and obligation of the Catholic party.

*Both parties are to be instructed about the purposes and essential properties of marriage, which neither of the contracting parties is to exclude. (CIC 1125)
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How much time do you spend alone with the kids at home or out and about? Part of this could also be that she doesn’t trust you to take care of the kids properly. Not meant to be insulting, it’s just that us moms think that no one can take care of our kids as well as we do.

I remember when my husband and I first married and I had commitments to honor that necessitated leaving him with the kids. I was a mess! I just knew the kids would be juggling knives and gargling bleach, the house would burn down, and maybe my middle child (the wanderer) would go missing. None of that happened, except the house being a mess, but it was a long while before I truly became comfortable leaving the kids with my husband. It’s not that he isn’t a great guy, he is. It’s not that I doubt his love and commitment to raising the kids, I don’t. It’s not that I don’t trust him to have the sense to handle an emergency, I do. It’s just that they are my babies and it’s hard to let your babies out of your sight. There’s always this worry in the back of your mind that something will happen and you won’t be there to take care of it. That you won’t be there when your babies need you. Sure, dad would be there, but it’s not the same as mommy being there. You may need to alleviate her fears on that score, too.
 
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