Mixed marriage; Feeling shut out

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Hi everyone,
I am a Protestant (a practicing Methodist) married just over a year to my Catholic husband. We had a meaningful ceremony presided over by a Catholic priest and assisted by my Methodist pastor in the church in which I was baptized, confirmed and still attend. In his homily, the priest told us we could ‘set an example’ for couples in mixed marriages by respecting each other’s faith differences while holding fast to our own respective faith traditions. I went into it focused on that ideal, but I have hit roadblocks at every turn.
I find myself at turns feeling “shut out” of my husband’s Catholic tradition, which is very important to him. I understand that I cannot take Communion, though, as a Christian person, this troubles me. I take Communion in my own church and feel it is a very solemn and important experience. In my husband’s tradition, I am shut out from this very central part of the worship service. While I understand the Catholic Church’s reasoning on this, it still upsets me that those who call themselves ‘Christian’ (such as myself and my husband) are not allowed to mutually take part in a very centrally “Christian” experience in BOTH of our traditions: Holy Communion.
Aside from this comes the issue of children. Both my husband’s faith and my faith are very important to us. Yet, the Catholic Church insists my husband try to do everything in his power to raise any future children we may have Catholic. While I understand this is a natural response to anyone belonging to a church to want to raise the children in the tradition in which they were nurtured, I feel that my tradition is not recognized as important in this context – it’s as if to read between the lines, I hear this: “If my Catholic husband decides to do the questionable act of marrying a non-Catholic (never mind that the non-Catholic might still be Christian) he’d better make sure the kids are raised Catholic because wouldn’t it be awful if the kids were raised Methodist.” This type of implication upsets me because it seems to disregard my faith, held since babyhood and nurtured through baptism, confirmation into adulthood – in short, my faith seems to be a non-factor in the lives of our (future) children. It’s as if to say: “Who cares what the wife’s faith is or what her tradition is, or IF she might want to pass on her tradition to her children: the Catholic husband’s tradition is paramount and trumps any silly “faith” the wife might have.”
Can you all see why this is so frustrating to me?
It’s not that I don’t want my children raised Catholic per say, it’ s just that I would at least like recognition that my own faith is important for any of our future children to experience as well – what if I wanted to raise our children Methodist, or at least some of them? Would the world end?
In any case, my husband and I both attend each other’s churches each week. Yet, in his church, I often feel I am conspicuous, because I am unable to fully participate. I find this frustrating because I do have a faith, attend my own church regularly, and feel I have a close relationship with Christ. But my experience so far when surrounded by my husband’s faith tradition is that I almost become a non-entity. I feel defesive, like I need to justify my own faith tradition and defend it. Constantly being “on defense” is exhausting for me. I can appreciate that my husband and his family take their faith seriously, but so do my family and myself. Yet apparently my tradition is null and void, and it frustrates me that my future children might be taught at some point that ‘mommy isn’t a true Christian’ or other such thing. I guess I would hope that if my children were raised Catholic, other traditions would be recognized in the special situation of mixed marriages in their educations, and not frowned upon. Then I would feel better about it, given our situation.
Guidance would be appreciated.
 
Hi everyone,
I am a Protestant (a practicing Methodist) married just over a year to my Catholic husband. We had a meaningful ceremony presided over by a Catholic priest and assisted by my Methodist pastor in the church in which I was baptized, confirmed and still attend. In his homily, the priest told us we could ‘set an example’ for couples in mixed marriages by respecting each other’s faith differences while holding fast to our own respective faith traditions. I went into it focused on that ideal, but I have hit roadblocks at every turn.
I find myself at turns feeling “shut out” of my husband’s Catholic tradition, which is very important to him. I understand that I cannot take Communion, though, as a Christian person, this troubles me. I take Communion in my own church and feel it is a very solemn and important experience. In my husband’s tradition, I am shut out from this very central part of the worship service. While I understand the Catholic Church’s reasoning on this, it still upsets me that those who call themselves ‘Christian’ (such as myself and my husband) are not allowed to mutually take part in a very centrally “Christian” experience in BOTH of our traditions: Holy Communion.
Aside from this comes the issue of children. Both my husband’s faith and my faith are very important to us. Yet, the Catholic Church insists my husband try to do everything in his power to raise any future children we may have Catholic. While I understand this is a natural response to anyone belonging to a church to want to raise the children in the tradition in which they were nurtured, I feel that my tradition is not recognized as important in this context – it’s as if to read between the lines, I hear this: “If my Catholic husband decides to do the questionable act of marrying a non-Catholic (never mind that the non-Catholic might still be Christian) he’d better make sure the kids are raised Catholic because wouldn’t it be awful if the kids were raised Methodist.” This type of implication upsets me because it seems to disregard my faith, held since babyhood and nurtured through baptism, confirmation into adulthood – in short, my faith seems to be a non-factor in the lives of our (future) children. It’s as if to say: “Who cares what the wife’s faith is or what her tradition is, or IF she might want to pass on her tradition to her children: the Catholic husband’s tradition is paramount and trumps any silly “faith” the wife might have.”
Can you all see why this is so frustrating to me?
It’s not that I don’t want my children raised Catholic per say, it’ s just that I would at least like recognition that my own faith is important for any of our future children to experience as well – what if I wanted to raise our children Methodist, or at least some of them? Would the world end?
In any case, my husband and I both attend each other’s churches each week. Yet, in his church, I often feel I am conspicuous, because I am unable to fully participate. I find this frustrating because I do have a faith, attend my own church regularly, and feel I have a close relationship with Christ. But my experience so far when surrounded by my husband’s faith tradition is that I almost become a non-entity. I feel defesive, like I need to justify my own faith tradition and defend it. Constantly being “on defense” is exhausting for me. I can appreciate that my husband and his family take their faith seriously, but so do my family and myself. Yet apparently my tradition is null and void, and it frustrates me that my future children might be taught at some point that ‘mommy isn’t a true Christian’ or other such thing. I guess I would hope that if my children were raised Catholic, other traditions would be recognized in the special situation of mixed marriages in their educations, and not frowned upon. Then I would feel better about it, given our situation.
Guidance would be appreciated.
I am sorry did you say a Catholic Priest married you in your methodist church?:eek:
 
Hi everyone,
I am a Protestant (a practicing Methodist) married just over a year to my Catholic husband. We had a meaningful ceremony presided over by a Catholic priest and assisted by my Methodist pastor in the church in which I was baptized, confirmed and still attend. In his homily, the priest told us we could ‘set an example’ for couples in mixed marriages by respecting each other’s faith differences while holding fast to our own respective faith traditions. I went into it focused on that ideal, but I have hit roadblocks at every turn.
I find myself at turns feeling “shut out” of my husband’s Catholic tradition, which is very important to him. I understand that I cannot take Communion, though, as a Christian person, this troubles me. I take Communion in my own church and feel it is a very solemn and important experience. In my husband’s tradition, I am shut out from this very central part of the worship service. While I understand the Catholic Church’s reasoning on this, it still upsets me that those who call themselves ‘Christian’ (such as myself and my husband) are not allowed to mutually take part in a very centrally “Christian” experience in BOTH of our traditions: Holy Communion.
Aside from this comes the issue of children. Both my husband’s faith and my faith are very important to us. Yet, the Catholic Church insists my husband try to do everything in his power to raise any future children we may have Catholic. While I understand this is a natural response to anyone belonging to a church to want to raise the children in the tradition in which they were nurtured, I feel that my tradition is not recognized as important in this context – it’s as if to read between the lines, I hear this: “If my Catholic husband decides to do the questionable act of marrying a non-Catholic (never mind that the non-Catholic might still be Christian) he’d better make sure the kids are raised Catholic because wouldn’t it be awful if the kids were raised Methodist.” This type of implication upsets me because it seems to disregard my faith, held since babyhood and nurtured through baptism, confirmation into adulthood – in short, my faith seems to be a non-factor in the lives of our (future) children. It’s as if to say: “Who cares what the wife’s faith is or what her tradition is, or IF she might want to pass on her tradition to her children: the Catholic husband’s tradition is paramount and trumps any silly “faith” the wife might have.”
Can you all see why this is so frustrating to me?
It’s not that I don’t want my children raised Catholic per say, it’ s just that I would at least like recognition that my own faith is important for any of our future children to experience as well – what if I wanted to raise our children Methodist, or at least some of them? Would the world end?
In any case, my husband and I both attend each other’s churches each week. Yet, in his church, I often feel I am conspicuous, because I am unable to fully participate. I find this frustrating because I do have a faith, attend my own church regularly, and feel I have a close relationship with Christ. But my experience so far when surrounded by my husband’s faith tradition is that I almost become a non-entity. I feel defesive, like I need to justify my own faith tradition and defend it. Constantly being “on defense” is exhausting for me. I can appreciate that my husband and his family take their faith seriously, but so do my family and myself. Yet apparently my tradition is null and void, and it frustrates me that my future children might be taught at some point that ‘mommy isn’t a true Christian’ or other such thing. I guess I would hope that if my children were raised Catholic, other traditions would be recognized in the special situation of mixed marriages in their educations, and not frowned upon. Then I would feel better about it, given our situation.
Guidance would be appreciated.
Does your husband receive Communion in your Methodist Church? Or does he refrain from receiving, as he is expected to refrain by the Catholic Church?
 
I am sorry did you say a Catholic Priest married you in your methodist church?:eek:
THis is acceptable. Most of the time, mixed marriages happen in the Catholic church, however, with proper permission, a Catholic marrying a non-Catholic Christian can be done in another church, but a priest should be present (even that can have exceptions I believe).

There will be people that can be much more eloquent than I at this, but I’m going to give it a shot:

First of all, we as Catholics believe we have the fullness of truth. That doesn’t mean others do not have truth, or avenues of grace, but in the Catholic Church, we have most access to the grace because of the Sacraments. They were instituted by Christ and handed on down throught the apostles. When a Catholic believes this, of course, they should want their children to have access to all grace available.

Second, Please remember that these were things to consider before marriage. Now that you are married, your husband is carrying out the promises and living as a Catholic should, and you are feeling hurt by it. This was known in the beginning.

Third, you refer to faith “traditions” as if it is something merely cultural. While I’m sure they exist, the Catholic Church’s rites, rituals, and so on are all based heavily in the docrtine of the faith and in our beliefs. Every action during Mass (down to when the priest puts hands together, or bows his head) is scripted and has reasoning for it. These aren’t merely a cultural preference…so when referring to faith “traditions” , other faith practices can mean something drastically different than what is perceived.

Fourth, for commununion, you say that you understand why its “Catholics only”, yet you say you you have problems with it. I wonder if you trully don’t understand what the Eucharist is in the Catholic Church. THe Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus… and is confected by the priest, which has the ordaination lineage back to Christ. Other denominations (in general-some eastern churches do), do not. Even the methodist do not believe this is the true presence. Recieving the Eucharist, even a CATHOLIC must be in the state of grace, and must believe in the presence and be in communion with the Church. The hurt that you desribe that you feel is a very personalized pain of the seperation of Christians. This is exactly what should be felt so that we can work towards unity. Why not study the history of the Church? Why not take some RCIA classes to learn about the faith? Possibly consider becoming Catholic to unify your family?

This is no way looks down upon your family history or traditions you have built regarding your faith. This is about unity of Christians, and following Jesus’ command to “eat my flesh and drink my blood”, and “the church is the pillar and fire of truth”.
 
Congratulations on your marriage, and my prayers for its continued success. My own sister has married a Lutheran and they’ve been together for over 15 years now, still going strong, so don’t lose hope 🙂

As for your children being raised Catholic - did you not go through pre-marriage preparation? Were you not told before your marriage that the Catholic spouse to a mixed marriage must promise to do what they can to raise their children Catholic?

I’m not saying this to be critical, but I’m wondering whether it’s only become an issue for you now, a year on, or whether it has always been so, and if it’s only come up now why that might be the case.

As for passing on your faith tradition to your children - absolutely you can take them to your church every blessed Sunday if you want and send 'em along to Methodist school. Nothing about Catholicism prohibits or ‘trumps’ that. As long as they go to Mass as well, and get a decent catechesis in the Catholic faith too.

Let me ask - what do you think they will they learn at your church and in your classes though? ‘Daddy prays too much to Mary and the Saints and ignores Jesus’, ‘Daddy thinks the Pope speaks infallibly on God’s behalf - when he doesn’t’, ‘Daddy believes in transubstantiation - which is wrong’, ‘Daddy believes that confession to a priest is necessary for the forgiveness of sins - when all you need to do is pray to Jesus’, ‘Daddy believes priests should be celibate - which is wrong’. And on and on.

As you can see every coin has two sides and there’s always a risk in exposing children to a faith other than your own. Your husband took the same risk you did when he married you, since neither of you can be sure where the children will go faith-wise as they get older. They may end up rejecting both your faiths and becoming Hare Krishnas, for goodness sake! Don’t pre-empt problems that may never occur, however, and don’t presume that practicing and passing on your traditions will be a problem unless it actually becomes so.

As for the communion issue - you’re only conspicuous because you’re doing what so many of the attendees, Catholic AND non-Catholic, SHOULD be doing, refraining from Communion. For that matter, since Paul speaks in the strongest possible terms against communing unworthily, some of your Methodist brothers and sisters probably also receive Communion when they shouldn’t.

For Catholics, Holy Communion not a symbol of our community with each other, but a reality of communion with Christ (through being in a state of grace and free of grave sin, which most Catholics aren’t but should be!). And with His body the Church (which is so much more than the sum of the people around us - and demands complete assent to the beliefs of that body, which for us IS the Catholic Church, the two are inseparable).

Does your husband go to your Methodist services? If he does and doesn’t receive Communion (which he shouldn’t) isn’t he being equally conspicuous?

Again I am sure it must be a frustrating experience not to be completely in tune with your husband in matters of faith, but with a bit of effort and a whole lot of swallowing of pride and resentment on both sides, it is do-able.

Rest assured that Catholicism doesn’t in any way attempt to ‘trump’ any other faith, but simply demands that those who adhere to it ALSO adhere to their duty to pass it on to their children.
 
Congratulations on your marriage. I’m sorry to hear that you feel left out. Please understand you have my sympathy and prayers. But as far as the issues you brought up, I must say I am a bit surprised that these were not considered before the marriage.

Communion for Catholics is not symbolic. The bread and wine actually become the body and blood of Christ. If you do not believe that, regardless of your background, then you should not take communion. My mother is Methodist and they do communion, but for them it is just a symbol, so I refrain because we have different beliefs. Every Protestant denomination that I know of also believe its just a symbol which is why they have no problem receiving each other’s communion. If you are feeling frustrated, maybe studying the issue more would help your understanding, and therefore bring your frustration down.

While Catholics are required to bring up their children in the faith it is not to the exclusion of the other parents faith. Expose children to both faiths, just be respectful about it. My dad is Mormon, and growing up my mom was Baptist. I was exposed to both, and ended up being neither. In the future when your children are in CCD volunteer to help so you understand what they are learning and can contribute your faith to their development.

Mixed marriages require a special type of sacrifice that other marriages do not. It can be frustrating for both spouses. Besides praying for you the only other advice I could give is that you express your feelings to your husband. Don’t let this build, and then eventually end up venting at him. Talk to him and maybe together with God’s help the two of you can find a solution for this problem.

Historybrat
 
As a former Methodist Pastor I know that we did not offer the Eucharist so I would not expect your Catholic husband would ever receive the elements at the Methodist Church.

I know that I did co-officiate at two mixed marriages with priests. I was aware that the couples would probably eventually stop attending any Church. I eventually started refusing to be a part of such arrangements. I wish priests would not participate in such events. It usually, not always, leads to sorrow and frustration for everyone.

CDL
 
Let me ask - what do you think they will they learn at your church and in your classes though? ‘Daddy prays too much to Mary and the Saints and ignores Jesus’, ‘Daddy thinks the Pope speaks infallibly on God’s behalf - when he doesn’t’, ‘Daddy believes in transubstantiation - which is wrong’, ‘Daddy believes that confession to a priest is necessary for the forgiveness of sins - when all you need to do is pray to Jesus’, ‘Daddy believes priests should be celibate - which is wrong’. And on and on.

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I have the Sunday school rotation for the next six weeks and believe it or not Lily, we do not even mention Catholics :cool:
I cannot imagine a Sunday school teacher doing what you are saying, although I suppose there is always exceptions.
 
I have the Sunday school rotation for the next six weeks and believe it or not Lily, we do not even mention Catholics :cool:
I cannot imagine a Sunday school teacher doing what you are saying, although I suppose there is always exceptions.
so what do you say to a kid that has a catholic parent and questions the differences?
 
Hi everyone,
I am a Protestant (a practicing Methodist) married just over a year to my Catholic husband. We had a meaningful ceremony presided over by a Catholic priest and assisted by my Methodist pastor in the church in which I was baptized, confirmed and still attend. In his homily, the priest told us we could ‘set an example’ for couples in mixed marriages by respecting each other’s faith differences while holding fast to our own respective faith traditions. I went into it focused on that ideal, but I have hit roadblocks at every turn.
I find myself at turns feeling “shut out” of my husband’s Catholic tradition, which is very important to him. I understand that I cannot take Communion, though, as a Christian person, this troubles me. I take Communion in my own church and feel it is a very solemn and important experience. In my husband’s tradition, I am shut out from this very central part of the worship service. While I understand the Catholic Church’s reasoning on this, it still upsets me that those who call themselves ‘Christian’ (such as myself and my husband) are not allowed to mutually take part in a very centrally “Christian” experience in BOTH of our traditions: Holy Communion.
Aside from this comes the issue of children. Both my husband’s faith and my faith are very important to us. Yet, the Catholic Church insists my husband try to do everything in his power to raise any future children we may have Catholic. While I understand this is a natural response to anyone belonging to a church to want to raise the children in the tradition in which they were nurtured, I feel that my tradition is not recognized as important in this context – it’s as if to read between the lines, I hear this: “If my Catholic husband decides to do the questionable act of marrying a non-Catholic (never mind that the non-Catholic might still be Christian) he’d better make sure the kids are raised Catholic because wouldn’t it be awful if the kids were raised Methodist.” This type of implication upsets me because it seems to disregard my faith, held since babyhood and nurtured through baptism, confirmation into adulthood – in short, my faith seems to be a non-factor in the lives of our (future) children. It’s as if to say: “Who cares what the wife’s faith is or what her tradition is, or IF she might want to pass on her tradition to her children: the Catholic husband’s tradition is paramount and trumps any silly “faith” the wife might have.”
Can you all see why this is so frustrating to me?
It’s not that I don’t want my children raised Catholic per say, it’ s just that I would at least like recognition that my own faith is important for any of our future children to experience as well – what if I wanted to raise our children Methodist, or at least some of them? Would the world end?
In any case, my husband and I both attend each other’s churches each week. Yet, in his church, I often feel I am conspicuous, because I am unable to fully participate. I find this frustrating because I do have a faith, attend my own church regularly, and feel I have a close relationship with Christ. But my experience so far when surrounded by my husband’s faith tradition is that I almost become a non-entity. I feel defesive, like I need to justify my own faith tradition and defend it. Constantly being “on defense” is exhausting for me. I can appreciate that my husband and his family take their faith seriously, but so do my family and myself. Yet apparently my tradition is null and void, and it frustrates me that my future children might be taught at some point that ‘mommy isn’t a true Christian’ or other such thing. I guess I would hope that if my children were raised Catholic, other traditions would be recognized in the special situation of mixed marriages in their educations, and not frowned upon. Then I would feel better about it, given our situation.
Guidance would be appreciated.
I am sorry that you are going through this. I do not have any solid advice because this IS how they think. The Lord be with you.
 
Talk to your parents, what else would you say? We are talking about Methodists, not independent fundamentalists!
so a kid is in your CCD class and one parent is methodist and the other is catholic. The kid asks a question about something that you are teaching that differs from the catholic faith and they question it…you tell them to speak to their parents? you dont offer an explanation?
 
I will say that at confirmation they go to different churches, Orthodox, Catholic, and then visit a Jewish synagogue, and it is of course not a we are better than you thing.
 
I am sorry that you are going through this. I do not have any solid advice because this IS how they think. The Lord be with you.
What does that mean. …“this IS how they think” ?
 
so a kid is in your CCD class and one parent is methodist and the other is catholic. The kid asks a question about something that you are teaching that differs from the catholic faith and they question it…you tell them to speak to their parents? you dont offer an explanation?
Sure, in that context you would say Catholics believe this and we believe that but you would not phrase it as one should think this way.
That would be unthinkable, that would be the last confirmation class they teach I am sure.
 
What does that mean. …“this IS how they think” ?
The underlying assumption of Catholicism is that we are the one true correct church…and you are not. It is, fortunately, not the way most Christians operate, from my point of view.
 
I have the Sunday school rotation for the next six weeks and believe it or not Lily, we do not even mention Catholics :cool:
I cannot imagine a Sunday school teacher doing what you are saying, although I suppose there is always exceptions.
Of course I was exaggerating to make a point and I don’t believe it would be taught that bluntly, as we don’t teach the truths of Catholicism in a manner derogatory of non-Catholics either.

I don’t doubt, however, that the Methodist view of the Eucharist (which ain’t transubstantiation) will be put forth, the Methodist view of religious authority (which ain’t the papacy nor papal infallibility) will be put forth etc etc, and that the child will put two and two together and conclude that according to Methodist theology just about every central belief Daddy holds is wrong.
 
Of course I was exaggerating to make a point and I don’t believe it would be taught that bluntly, as we don’t teach the truths of Catholicism in a manner derogatory of non-Catholics either.

I don’t doubt, however, that the Methodist view of the Eucharist (which ain’t transubstantiation) will be put forth, the Methodist view of religious authority (which ain’t the papacy nor papal infallibility) will be put forth etc etc, and that the child will put two and two together and conclude that according to Methodist theology just about every central belief Daddy holds is wrong.
But Lily the child will also be taught that mommies theology is wrong.
It works both ways lets not forget. All mixed marriages, IMHO do is confuse the poor kiddies if they are raised in “both” religions.
 
I don’t doubt, however, that the Methodist view of the Eucharist (which ain’t transubstantiation) will be put forth,
The real presence as a mystery is covered yes.
the Methodist view of religious authority (which ain’t the papacy nor papal infallibility) will be put forth etc etc,
very very brief mention of the annual conferences and so forth
and that the child will put two and two together and conclude that according to Methodist theology just about every central belief Daddy holds is wrong.
That is where you are very wrong. The whole purpose of our visits to other churches is to show the diversity of the body of Christ in a nonjudgemental manner.
 
The real presence as a mystery is covered yes.

very very brief mention of the annual conferences and so forth

That is where you are very wrong. The whole purpose of our visits to other churches is to show the diversity of the body of Christ in a nonjudgemental manner.
Brian,

that is pretty open for your church to do these things.
 
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