Mixed reaction to Cheney's daughter's pregnancy

[Mac6yver]

Wrong. Gay “parents” are totally unfit to raise children! God intends for a man and a woman in the sacrament of holy matrimony to raise children, not two men or two women in blatant mortal sin. I don’t care what all the studies say and everything, a child raised by gay “parents” is much worse off than a child raised by a solid and loving heterosexual family.

You forgot to add “imo”.

 

[system]

I’m encouraged to see some of the compassion shown here.

Of course, I’ve also become cynical enough to notice many frequent posters have avoided this one.

I hope I’m wrong, but this cynical side also thinks that if this were Chelsea Clinton, we would be past 300 responses by now.

It’s obviously not the sin, but which side the sinner is on.

Again - I hope to be wrong on that, but I don’t think I am.

 

[kim3260]

I’m encouraged to see some of the compassion shown here.

Of course, I’ve also become cynical enough to notice many frequent posters have avoided this one.

I hope I’m wrong, but this cynical side also thinks that if this were Chelsea Clinton, we would be past 300 responses by now.

It’s obviously not the sin, but which side the sinner is on.

Again - I hope to be wrong on that, but I don’t think I am.

I do agree with you there.:yup: As a Republican I never cared much for Clinton anyway, but if it was young Chelsea there would be so many more nasty responses.
I certainly don’t support gay unions but now there is a child involved the best we can do at this point is Pray for the baby and it’s mother.

 

[dafalax]

I do agree with you there.:yup: As a Republican I never cared much for Clinton anyway, but if it was young Chelsea there would be so many more nasty responses.
I certainly don’t support gay unions but now there is a child involved the best we can do at this point is Pray for the baby and it’s mother.

I think people would be more shocked than anything were it Chelsea. Young straight democratic women don’t have babies. Once they’re in their late 30’s or early 40’s and have established themselves in a career, then they may add ‘have baby’ to their ‘to do’ lists. Before that people would cluck their tongues and mourn how such a bright young woman threw her life away.

 

[kim3260]

I think people would be more shocked than anything were it Chelsea. Young straight democratic women don’t have babies. Once they’re in their late 30’s or early 40’s and have established themselves in a career, then they may add ‘have baby’ to their ‘to do’ lists. Before that people would cluck their tongues and mourn how such a bright young woman threw her life away.

oh yes, of course you are right. Just the thought of throwing away her perfectly ordered life with a baby, oh the shame of it
Good little democrat girls don’t do that, that’s what ABC and abortions are for

 

[catsrus]

originally posted by max37
I hope I’m wrong, but this cynical side also thinks that if this were Chelsea Clinton, we would be past 300 responses by now.

My thoughts exactly!!

originally posted by dafalax
Young straight democratic women don’t have babies.

I was a young straight democratic woman and had 3 babies. I detest blanket statements!

 

[system]

I do agree with you there.:yup: As a Republican I never cared much for Clinton anyway, but if it was young Chelsea there would be so many more nasty responses.
I certainly don’t support gay unions but now there is a child involved the best we can do at this point is Pray for the baby and it’s mother.

Kim - thanks for being honest about it!

Dalafax - thanks for the eyeroll!

 

[mary_bobo]

This could happen to any of us. Mr Cheney, I’m sure, is making the best of the situation. If it were my child, I would also be forced to come to terms with the situation.

There are many heterosexuals who are unfit parents and living in irregular situations. I believe the rate for unwed motherhood was recently estimated to be 37%. What about those parents, should they be raising children?

My point is that we shouldn’t target homosexuals, when the hetereosexual population is so prone to sin.

I agree. I admire the Cheney’s for their obvious love for their daughter. I doubt they are thrilled, but as good parents, they care for their daughter and do not want to cut ties with her. I think those of us who do not yet have children, or whose children are too young to worry about this, should be more charitable. One never knows what will happen in the future and some who criticize now may find themselves in the same situation in the years to come.

 

[dafalax]

I was a young straight democratic woman and had 3 babies. I detest blanket statements!

I sit corrected.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Yes she is pregnant. The child is a reality. It is also a reality that there had to be a biological male to provide the sperm for this child. So the child has a father and a mother not two mothers. This is just a biological fact.

The fact that it takes one person of each gender to create life is something that those advocating the raising of children in homesexual (sam sex relationships) tend to forget.:banghead:

In my opinion this just brings home that it takes a man and a woman to create life. It puts it on the front page of news papers.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Harlotry is Harlotry. Whoedom is whoredom. Fornication is fornication. I am very sorry for the child, for Ms. Cheney’s parents, and for our society.

CDL

 

[magician]

I would only be concerned if the sperm donor was George Bush. Other than that, who cares??

 

[GregoryPalamas]

I would only be concerned if the sperm donor was George Bush. Other than that, who cares??

Sarcasm? Or are you a Democrat?

CDL

 

[mary_bobo]

I would only be concerned if the sperm donor was George Bush. Other than that, who cares??

Was that REALLY necessary?

 

[Richardols]

Harlotry is Harlotry. Whoedom is whoredom. Fornication is fornication. I am very sorry for the child, for Ms. Cheney’s parents, and for our society.

Sure, fornication was involved - just as it can be among Catholics. As Kathleen Elsie once noted, “The second baby takes nine months, the first baby can come at any time.” Which is to say that there’s no need for self-righteousness among Catholics about someone’s else “fatherless” child.

As for whoredom and harlotry - there is no evidence whatever that Mary Cheney was sexually promiscuous with men, so such an accusation is uncharitable and false.

Finally, I think that the all the Cheneys are quite happy to see that child come into the world, and I’m happy too - that she didn’t abort him or her.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Sure, fornication was involved - just as it can be among Catholics. As Kathleen Elsie once noted, “The second baby takes nine months, the first baby can come at any time.” Which is to say that there’s no need for self-righteousness among Catholics about someone’s else “fatherless” child.

As for whoredom and harlotry - there is no evidence whatever that Mary Cheney was sexually promiscuous with men, so such an accusation is uncharitable and false.

Finally, I think that the all the Cheneys are quite happy to see that child come into the world, and I’m happy too - that she didn’t abort him or her.

Your standards are extraordinarily low. To wit: “If one wrong doesn’t make a right, then perhaps several will.” If a Catholic commits a sin then everyone should I suppose and on purpose. Does one really need to cite Scripture on this or are you really serious?

CDL

 

[Richardols]

If a Catholic commits a sin then everyone should I suppose and on purpose. Does one really need to cite Scripture on this or are you really serious?

That Catholics often commit the sin of fornication, as do others, isn’t license for anyone to sin and I didn’t suggest that it was. But, I am presuming (correctly?) that you are a Catholic, and I’d think that as such you’d know better than to be making false accusations of harlotry and whoring so uncharitably.

You can feel sorry for the Cheneys all you want. You are your own man. As for me, a child born, even conceived in sin, is a gift of God and another innocent saved from the abortionists.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

That Catholics often commit the sin of fornication, as do others, isn’t license for anyone to sin and I didn’t suggest that it was. But, I am presuming (correctly?) that you are a Catholic, and I’d think that as such you’d know better than to be making false accusations of harlotry and whoring so uncharitably.

You can feel sorry for the Cheneys all you want. You are your own man. As for me, a child born, even conceived in sin, is a gift of God and another innocent saved from the abortionists.

If you aren’t making it a choice of one sin being less sinful than another and trying to justify the lesser sin what are you arguing about?

Sinners need love or they won’t repent. But they don’t need is approval of their sin.

CDL

 

[Karianne]

Although i do not have a link, it is well documented that children do best when they live in a household with their biological father and biological mother. Your comment that we shouldn’t target gay parents when straight parents are prone to sin is illogical. Just because straight people have problems means that we should have no concern for ANY type of family structure? I don’t think so. It means that we should hold everyone up to the ideal, gay or straight. Straight parents shouldn’t have babies out of wedlock and those living a homosexual lifestyle shouldn’t try to have children. In the case you cited above, i don’t think the father was homosexual. If you are straight enough to have a child with your wife, you’re straight enough to stay in that marriage. How can you say the father was a good parent just because his son turned out okay? He sounds pretty selfish to me. One of my mother’s life goals was to have 4 kids, two boys and two girls. After 2 failed marriages and only one baby, her biological clock started ticking and she had her last three babies out of wedlock with three different guys. Selfish. She had a responsibility to provide us with a loving father in a secure home. Do i love her? Absolutely! But i will never acknowledge that what she did was right because it wasn’t. I recommend you adopt a similar attitude because you aren’t doing these children any favors by pretending that what their parents are doing is right.

I think that your attitude hurts children, Holly. Even though your brothers and sisters may not have been conceived in a traditional way you are still fortunate to have siblings.
Furthermore, some Gay parents are good and some are bad, to target Gays as bad parents is illogical.
That said, it’s probably best for kids to have two parents, mom and dad, but the divorce rate in America is 50 percent so why have people decided to pick at the Gay community when the
heterosexual couples are causing all the trouble?
I don’t like Mary Cheney but I have no animosity towards her baby, it has as much of right to here as you, Holly!

 

[Karianne]

That Catholics often commit the sin of fornication, as do others, isn’t license for anyone to sin and I didn’t suggest that it was. But, I am presuming (correctly?) that you are a Catholic, and I’d think that as such you’d know better than to be making false accusations of harlotry and whoring so uncharitably.

You can feel sorry for the Cheneys all you want. You are your own man. As for me, a child born, even conceived in sin, is a gift of God and another innocent saved from the abortionists.

I agree, a child is a child and I think that all of us, except Mary were conceived in sin.
So no one has any bragging rights in my opinion.