MNI, BNP, Lavish New York Dinners, and the Deception

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I have always heard of the BNP (or Banal na Pag aaral) for a long time. So to see what’s in it, I joined and opened my heart and mind to it.

They send you to an overnight retreat as some gymnasium. They set up tents. They make everyone (mainly kids in teens and early twenties recruits) sit in a tent room and watch compelling, dramatic, quasi-spiritual videos feature, you guessed it, the matriarch of the the organization Ate Salve (which stands for Sister Salve, in english).

You go through a whole spiritual bootcamp of some sorts. It almost felt like brainwashing. There seems to be a heirarchy of individuals facilitating this activity. The apex of the event is when Ate Salve dresses up like the “Black Nazarene” and carry Jesus’ cross around. She then speaks in very deep but obviously feminine voice, portraying as though she turned into Jesus Christ for a short moment.

A separate crucifix is placed at the center while everyone kneels and walks with their knees toward the cross. It looks like a 6-foot crucifix. However, other graduates utterly convince newbies that the cross was a small cross to begin with (and that the size of the cross has something to do with the magnitude of your sins and the gravity of help you need).

You walk away convinced of the event. They embrace you with comaraderie and solidarity. They then invite you to events such as Ultrea (some form of major gathering) and vigils (or events at churches that last until the late hours of the night).

Eventually, they become comfortable compelling you to contribute money towards the organization. You then realize that an unspoken pecking order is created within the microcosm that is BNP. Other Filipino families have more influence than others. And then, it starts to seem as though it becomes some sort of popularity contest as to which family is in the higher pecking order than another.

Friendships, as well as marriages, are built within this organization. Selected few lucky people are sent out to Grand Ultreas in different places in the United States. The most recent will be a Grand Ultrea in NYC (www.bnpnewyork.org/ny20)). You judge this very modest and Holy event. Far cry from the Catholic study groups and such. These lucky few self-proclaimed faithful and devoute Catholics will lavish in this event before heading out to a gymnasium in Queens for the Grand Ultrea.

Now, is it wrong to form groups, help each other in faith, and form bonds derived from Spiritual origins? Not necessarily. What I found to be very immoral about BNP are their beliefs that stray far from the doctrines and the cathecism of the Catholic Faith.

To them, Jesus is abbreviated into what they casually call MNI. As in “em-men-naih”. Such an abbreviation, which stands for Mahal Na Inkong (or an elder that is loved, literally speaking), becomes the new Brand used by the group, encouraged unto members to be used, and is highly used in their events.

Some specific questionable practices within the faith may involve the organization’s taxation of members. They may deny this but such an organization generates so much revenue protected from the US Federal Government’s power to tax. However, where does the money go? Do they really use them for events. Probably. But you cannot deny that more of that revenue went some place else.

Members are asked to chip in money towards the cost of retreats (their recruitment tool), aside from the money they regularly provide. And as you can see from the link above, the Cipriani Hotel in New York City will be the venue of a dinner celebration while the rest of the impoverished members in the Philippines stay on the sideline and drool.

But what was the deal breaker for me? It was simple and unexpected. It was during their vigil inside a church. They shared stories, cried, and prayed to MNI. It was leading up to the Christmas Season.

They matter of factly asked the congregation “Let’s Sing MNI’s Favorite Christmas Song”. And without hesitation, they sang “Silent Night”.

Now, I have not seen that in any Bible or the book Cathecism of the Catholic Faith. How can such a fair, unbiased, loving God have a favorite song among the rest? A God that favors one song over another? God loves the poor, that’s a given. He favors poor over the rich. But God favors Silent Night over Joy to the World? Hmmm… that was just a crumb from the big piece of bread.

You cannot question anything about their congregation. And if you do, you better be anonymous like me. Or they will not relent in punishing you through their microcosm of politics and pecking order. The seniors will intimidate you and and redicule your and your family. You will become an outcast.

So with the facts and the analysis above, I leave it unto you. But one thing is for sure about BNP, they DO NOT represent the Catholic Faith.

May God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit be in each and everyone of you.

Cathecism_2008
 
The BNP movement had been banned by the Catholic Church and even in the Philippines by Cardinal Sin yet, BNP continued to reject the ban. The BNP movement said that the ban had been rescinded but had not proven their declaration. I don’t know any diocese in the US who supports BNP’s activities. If there’s any, they should present a proof here.

The bible had instructed us to obey our church, the pillar of our faith (1Timothy3.15). Any priest or bishop who disagrees with the bishop who issued the ban is not union with the Catholic Church and the pope. Our bishops are not divided.

BNP movement is a lay ministry NOT authorized or supported by the Catholic Church. Who gave them authority? Ate Salve and the BNP staff made themselves the authority. I repeat they had been banned by the church. The banning letter from San Bernardino’s bishop should be enough to stop their activities but they defied the authority and continued their money making events. They need money to maintain the multi-million dollar compound in Ontario California. They had built it separately from the Catholic Church because they can’t hold their retreats and events in any Catholic property. If they are Catholic, why are they not in union with the Catholic Church?

“Rommelh” even tried to educate us with his knowledge about being Catholic but can’t even translate correctly. Now, he translated Mahal Na Ingkong as Great Grandfather and “Granny”. Granny is slang for grandmother and Great grandfather is the father of the grandfather. So Mahal Na Ingkong means Beloved Grandmother now and Beloved Great Grandfather is the fifth god who is greater than the Grandfather and Jesus Christ? He even accused the bishops as one sided. Is he really a true catholic? Anyone who claims to be a Catholic should be obedient with the church, no matter how strong his opinion is. He must be in union with the church.

I believe the BNP, have their own catechism in teaching the catholic faith. Maybe Rommelh should read Catholic catechism or research this Catholic website to learn more about our Catholic faith. Catholicscomehome.org is also an excellent site. These sites are the teaching magesterium of the Catholic Faith. I had learned so much here. The truth is in our Catholic Church who could interpret phenomena anyone may observe.

About Ate Salve (BNP’s matriarch who had multiple husbands), I was wondering if Mahal Na Ingkong (Beloved Grandfather ) told Ate Salve to leave her family in the Philippines, get an annulment, remarry in the US, and petition all her children. If God uses her as an instrument and she had been in constant contact with “Him” since 1968, why did God allow it to happen. I wonder if she was really submissive to her first husband. This is one of the reasons I have strong disbelief about Ate Salve.

My suspicion is Ate Salve had an annulment for economic reasons just like some of us who migrated to the US; get a divorce or annulment and remarry. I hope to find more about her real life since her encounter with Mahal Na Ingkong in 1968 in Amadeo, Cavite, Philippines. If my belief is wrong, please let me know.

If any BNP member has any true story about Ate Salve since 1968 please, share it here. What actually happened in 1968 between Mahal Na Ingkong and Ate Salve? When did she get married? When did she arrive in the US? What was her status when she came to the US? Is her former husband still alive? We only hear one side of her story.

The personal and private life of a leader in a Catholic movement must not be secret. “A church leader must be without fault…, must only have one wife…, must not love money…, must be able to manage his family…, and must be mature in faith. (1Timothy 3.2-6)

I suspect “Believer112” is Ate Salve’s present husband, or one of her elder, or one of her children. Maybe Rommelh, too. I noticed their comments were for self interest and not for a true Catholic faith. If not identify yourself, you have nothing to hide. I have no problem to identify myself.

The BNP movement compared Ate Salve to Mother Theresa who was a nun and a true servant of God. Ate Salve is very far from her. Ate Salve had multiple husbands whom Rommelh said she had a right to be happy.

They even stated in the fullness of time Ate Salve will be recognized and become a saint.

A fifteen year devout BNP member told me before he left the BNP movement Ate Salve approached him and said, “WHY ARE YOU LEAVING? THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ALREADY HERE.” What would this comment tell you.

I had witnessed Ate Salve. She is an IMPOSTOR. God’s first commandment is “…You shall have no other Gods before Me”. Why would Jesus Christ chose Ate Salve (with multiple husbands) to play God? Why would God use an instrument like Ate Salve to act and represent God to convince us that we have a living God?

The second commandment which I believed every BNP did to Ate Salve, “…Do not bow down to any idol or worship it.” What do they understand about this commandment? Our church and the bible is enough in our Catholic faith.

It is evident Ate Salve and her children have a lavish life style now since they left Philippines. She owns a mansion in the Philippines which my BNP children (who had been brainwashed) told me that homeless people lived there but found to be incorrect. It was Ate Salve’s families who lived there in luxury.

Father Corapi (EWTN) stated “Nobody plays God!”

Patrick Madrid, EWTN apologist said “Nobody represents or acts as God.”

If the BNP staffs brag they believe they had helped the children, they taught them to lie and brainwashed them to believe Ate Salve has God’s presence, to bow down to her, and to violate the second commandment.

Please, google search Mahal Na Ingkong, you will be surprised how many Filipinos have gone astray from the Catholic faith. They have a different Mahal Na Ingkong.

Truth is absolute.

Please check the following about apparitions, miracles and phenomena;
catholic.com/thisrock/1998/9810fea4.asp
catholic.com/newsletters/kke_030225.asp

If the BNP movement is a Catholic movement, why are they not in union with the Catholic Church? Why can’t they use church facilities to hold their retreats? Why are the parish priests or bishops not aware about the retreats held in their jurisdiction?

Please, notice this thread is in “Non Catholic religion”. What do they understand about that? Is it to prove they are still right?

Let us all unite to the one holy Catholic and apostolic church that we all believe. May God bless us all.
 
You hit it right on the dot. This is a clear violation of the FIRST commandment “I am the Lord your God. You Shall not have any gods besides me”.

They glorify Ate Salve as though she is in the same lines as Jesus Christ himself. They have a culture on their own, a god who they call MNI that has a favorite Christmas Song.

It, in my opinion, is borderline demonic in nature only because any other Catholic would look at this as a mocking of our Faith in order for them to collect from misled Catholics.

This in turn violates a second Commandment which is “You shall not use the Lord’s name in vain”. The fact that they have replaced Jesus Christ’s name into a three letter abbreviation called Mahal na Inkong, branded it as MNI, and asked everyone to pertain to this god as MNI from now on is a clear violation of such commandment.

They can’t argue that they use Tagalog as a vessel of calling God. We have that as “Panginoong Hesu Kristo” (a literal translation of “Lord Jesus Christ”). We also call Him “Panginoong Diyos” (a literal translation of “Lord God”). But we don’t replace Jesus as “DHK or PD”. The Spanish calls God “Dios” which is where Diyos (Tagalog) was derived from.

So MNI, in my opinion, does not pertain to God the Father, God the Son Lord Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit.

MNI pertains to a separate cult god with a favorite Christmas song (which I think is insulting for this to be related to Christmas) created by Ate Salve in order to compel weak Catholics into believing and in turn be taxed by BNP.

Cathecism_2008
 
BigJ the headbanger, so how did God end up having a favorite Christmas song?

Can you explain to us the Biblical and Cathecistic history (or fallacy) behind that?

So does that mean God favors one song among the rest? So does that mean the writer and composer of that song who happens to be a priest should be considered a Holy Person in the same realm as other Holy characters in our faith? In the spirit of the Catholic faith, shouldn’t the writer and composer of the song be considered a Saint?

Imagine, God handpicked your song out of millions and says “This is my favorite Christmas Song”.

If you say it’s not true that God had a favorite Christmas song according to the BNP, does that mean the BNP is not in-synch with each other and is making up stuff about the faith?

Because the congregation specifically said “Brothers and Sisters in Christ, let us sing Jesus’ favorite Christmas Song”. Everyone started crying and singing “Silent night…Holy night…”. How on God’s green earth did God choose one song out of many and favored it over all of them?

God does not have favoritism. We are equal in image and likeness to Him.

You can fire all kinds of excuses you want but BNP is a demonic money making joke. Sorry to say. And may God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, WHO HAS NO FAVORITE CHRISTMAS SONG, be with you always.
 
Goodness brother, aren’t there bigger things to worry about than a song? :hmmm:

Right or wrong my good friend, you are entitled to an opinion. Here’s to hoping your apparent anger will dissipate and you can live in peace with no - or maybe less prejudice. :grouphug:

May the peace and blessings of our Lord always be with you :signofcross:
 
Right, you don’t have an answer. Then stop making it seem as though GOD instructed you guys that Silen Night is His favorite song.

It’s not a little thing because you are USING GOD’S NAME IN VAIN by implying to followers that God speaks to you or whoever, that lady, whoever, to tell you guys that HE has a favorite song.

It may be miniscule to you. But it’s not to US Catholics because you USED God’s name in vain. How do people follow the BNP when they have deception to the smallest detail as this.

You said it yourself, there are bigger things than the song. Why lie on the smallest of things? How can we possibly look at you with trust and faith on the Bigger Things when you all screw up something as petty as God having a favorite song?

Ofcourse I am angered by this. I apologize, brother. I really do. When people mock me, my family, my loved ones, I get pretty angry sometimes. Most of the time, I pray on it. Sometimes I get angry. But when a congregation collects Catholic money (whom you said 99% of your members are) and them makes a mock out of Jesus in many respects, it angers me. Yes.

How can you attend the church on Sunday knowing that you do these things?

You cant preach on the teaching when you have these ludicrous favorite song things that God apparently told you guys. It’s a mockery.

If we don’t follow the BNP, don’t make it seem as though we lack faith. We are Catholics. We don’t need the BNP to feel spiritually complete. God completes us to begin with. In the mean time, stop Mocking our faith by being BNP yourself and asking our Catholic brothers and sisters to join.
 
I’m having trouble figuring out how we use God’s name in vain…?:confused: Have I asked God to DAMN you?? uh, no.

It’s not that I don’t necessarily have an answer, it’s just that you’re making a mountain out of a mole hill on this song thing and it just isn’t worth the time and it’s rather rediculous. Truthfully I’ve never met anyone from NY so I’m not sure what they said about any favorite songs, but I ask you, in theory, would it be wrong for God to have an opinion on something? Yes we’re all equal to him in creation, but in the things we do, say, produce - are there some things He likes more than others and some things He doesn’t like at all? Isn’t it possible for Him to have free will? I guess you’ll find out when you get Home.

And no one’s mocking you, brother. Or anyone you know. Rather it is you who have said many, many foul and untrue things about our group and its leadership that has mocked us. YOU are throwing the stones here. What have I done? Greeted and signed off to you in peace.

You don’t follow the BNP. Ok! NO ONE has made it seem as if you lack faith by not doing so, and no one has insisted you follow. NO ONE. And no one thinks that either. If they did, they would be out of line. The mission is not to follow us, but to bring people closer to Him and His teaching. There are many who choose to follow and serve with us, but MANY more who do not, but have been brought closer to Christ and into the Catholic church thanks to our service, which is one of many lay-faithful groups.

And yes, I CAN go to mass on Sundays with clear conscience and PRIDE in my Catholicism and have all the joy in the world when celebrating the Eucharist.

My dear friend, for those who believe no explanation is necessary. For those who do not, no explanation is possible.

Peace be with you, my brother. :signofcross:
 
Point taken. I noticed the slight cuss there and the ever smooth prayer to get me into an accident going home, it’s fine. You’re BNP, I understand.

You still haven’t explained about a favorite song. You made possible hypothesis about a general explanation regarding the human’s tendency to favor one thing or another. But no, God does not favor one song over another.

And the fact that BNP says God instructed their congregation that He has a favorite Christmas song tells me you are not pertaining to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. You are pertaining to some earthly sinner making a mock out of our Faith.

Your BNP used the Lord’s name in vain here by implying that God has spoken to you all and He told you of a favorite Christmas song. You used God’s name in vain by telling a lie and saying that God Himself has instructed you of that favoritism. Your definition of using the Lord’s name in vain is quite shallow and vain as well.

may your BNP god who favors Silent Night possess you and your brothers and sisters, bless you, and protect you from the Wrath of God. There will be a reckoning, friend. It’s gonna be big.
 
Hello… I happen to just come across this thread. I can type as much as I can in this forum what my experience is in the BNP but none will probably be able to satisfy your curiousity or inquiry about the group. Each person are given different charisms and has different relationship with God. In the case of the banning. This is nothing new in the Catholic faith. The devotion to the Divine Mercy was also banned in the past prior to its approval. Teresa of Avila’s writings were also subject to scrutiny by the Inquisition in Spain. etc… There is not enough space for me here to list down all the historical accounts when the Church has subject many Holy people under trial. It is true that there are many questions people ask about the group however, their judgement is not conclusive. This case still remains open since the “visions” or “manifestations” are still occuring. Isn’t it that until now the Blessed Virgin is still allegedly appearing in Medjugorje? Let us keep in mind that this occurence is also not fully backed by the Church since the apparitions are still going on. Mother Church is very cautious when to pass judgement. We also should be careful when we say that the Roman Catholic Church accepts a group or not because I doubt that anyone in this forum knows the COMPLETE stance of the Church towards BNP. A particular diocese may not support a group or religious order but this does not mean that other dioceses do so as well. As far as I am concerned, unless Rome has not issued a ban letter to this group, the Universal Church has not condemned this group. A Bishop’s ban is only limited within his jurisdiction, meaning his own diocese and not another diocese where the Ordinary is a different person. Bishops in each diocese do whatever they can to try and maintain their own. However, let us also keep in mind that there are times when they too may not recognize the workings of the Holy Spirit. For example the newly canonized saint, Mother Theodor Guerin who resisted her bishop and continued her work to find a college for women. Did her resistance and pursuit in works of charity made her an evil person out to destroy the Church because of her disobedience to the will of the local ordinary?

Anyway, this is a subject that cannot be answered thoroughly and appropriately in this forum. I do know for a fact that there are many bishops and Cardinals who are in support of this group. Take for instance Cardinal Vidal of the Archdiocese of Cebu. He even allows BNP members to have nocturnal adoration in his own residence. Another factor that we also have to keep in mind is the cultural expression. Filipinos tend to be overdramatic and sometimes mix superstitions in their expression of their faith.

“A Pharisee in the Sanhedrin named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, respected by all the people, stood up, ordered the men to be put outside for a short time, and said to them, “Fellow Israelites, be careful what you are about to do to these men. Some time ago, Theudas appeared, claiming to be someone important, and about four hundred men joined him, but he was killed, and all those who were loyal to him were disbanded and came to nothing. After him came Judas the Galilean at the time of the census. He also drew people after him, but he too perished and all who were loyal to him were scattered. So now I tell you, have nothing to do with these men, and let them go. For if this endeavor or this activity is of human origin, it will destroy itself. But if it comes from God, you will not be able to destroy them; you may even find yourselves fighting against God.”” (Acts 5:34-39)

I suggest that this thread should end here least people fall further into more sin and devisive literary mudslinging. It does not take a genius nor a psychologist to sense the tension and anger oozing out of this forum thread. Instead of posting more words of condemnation and alienation while wagging literary fingers of self-righteousness thinking that we know everything that is happening around us, we should all just sit in front of the Tabernacle and pray. I don’t think this forum was created to condemn people but to build each other up by sharing encouraging thoughts and experiences that the Holy Spirit has graced us in our day to day lives. God Bless Everyone!
 
SalusAnimarum - that was wonderful! :extrahappy:

I really wasn’t trying to sling mud, I was trying to calm the man’s anger. Just couldn’t figure out why all the hubub about a song. Could that really be the breaking point for leaving the BNP? There’s got to be more to it, but that’s alright. I pray for the guy, as there is some obvious anger there for whatever reason.

I’m not Filipino, I’m very much Caucasian American, free thinking and definitely not superstitious when it comes to faith. I avoided Christianity until not too long ago. I came to the Lord based on what I experienced in the BNP, and what I SAW and HEARD. And so now I am Catholic and so very happy to be.

I hear and understand and believe in the things that have happened with our Ate Salve, please refer to the paragraph above. To the majority of the human race that must have tangible evidence in order to form final belief rather than just what their heart feels, I can imagine it’s hard to fathom this group. It is quite remarkable though, there is someone on this earth who has been given a gift such as hers. It can happen to anyone though, let us think back to some very important names just in recent times - St. Faustina, St. Pio… certainly they were used as instruments of the Lord in a very special way too. There of course are many more.

I thank you for that very neutral response, and a highlight of one simple fact - we need to pray. Let us all do so.

Grace and peace of our Lord be with you.

:signofcross:
 
Like I said, these folks will shrug off anyone who disagrees with them, especially if they are scratching the surface of truth.

Since I posted here, there are more folks whom I know from the Chapter I used to be in that have left. A good number of them are being harrassed by the elder Filipinos in the cult. This is a dangerous cult and it is getting worse.

You guys are hopeless cult members. 🤷
 
I’m really troubled about saying that God shouldn’t have a favorite music. What if God has favorite music? Who are we to question that? Does the scripture says that God has favorite music? Or does the scripture say God doesn’t have favorite music? Either both can’t be found in the scripture. As a Catholic we should not limit God in the scripture. Some people think that they’re better person than the people in the BNP. Who are you to judged? I think that self-righteousness. Just beware about your judgement. I think you got a wrong information about the BNP.
 
Like I said, these folks will shrug off anyone who disagrees with them, especially if they are scratching the surface of truth.
  • First off, how long were u a member? Did u graduate the
    3 day retreat?
Since I posted here, there are more folks whom I know from the Chapter I used to be in that have left.

-Be careful about what u say here my friend. If you are disgruntled,
tell me why . Some ppl leave not because they didnt like the movement. Whats your story?

A good number of them are being harrassed by the elder Filipinos in the cult. This is a dangerous cult and it is getting worse.

-theres no harrassment going on in the BNP, in fact before you even enter the retreat, you were briefed and given the option to
continue with the retreat or go home.

-Cult by definition is not bad, check the dictionary my friend.
and for your info we are not a cult. The word cult has been given
a bad reputation by crazy groups claiming the end of the world is near.

You guys are hopeless cult members.
  • I hope you can sleep at night saying all these things.
 
I attended the lavish New York party and Concert of Ate Salve, yes it was lavish and yes we had a lot of fun. See what your missing you BNP haters, check us out investigate further, keep asking questions.

If you’re reading this is because you have questions in your mind, you’re wondering how we know what God’s favorite song is because he told us, how did he tell us is through Sister Salve, she is God’s instrument and if your still asking questions why don’t you ask God himself through your prayers, if you believe in the church and in God you know how to pray, ask God yourself why this woman.

I’ve been a catholic all my life but ever since I’ve joined the BNP and started to be active is the only time in my life I felt so alive. I can go on and on with scripture and the Vatican, but the real answer is God is within us he’s been trying to talk to us since day one and the only place I’ve learned how to talk to God is through the BNP. Don’t get inundated with the details that’s how the devil will try to keep you away from God, God is simple its the mind that keeps us busy to stray away from him.

And yes it is brainwashing, have you read what you are typing allover the net, I would go to your house and do the washing myself.

If your friend invited you to a retreat attend it, if you still think that God is not in the BNP move on. Atleast now you know the truth and did not just read in on the internet.

Peace.
 
Hello… I happen to just come across this thread. I can type as much as I can in this forum what my experience is in the BNP but none will probably be able to satisfy your curiousity or inquiry about the group. Each person are given different charisms and has different relationship with God. In the case of the banning. This is nothing new in the Catholic faith. The devotion to the Divine Mercy was also banned in the past prior to its approval. Teresa of Avila’s writings were also subject to scrutiny by the Inquisition in Spain. etc… There is not enough space for me here to list down all the historical accounts when the Church has subject many Holy people under trial. It is true that there are many questions people ask about the group however, their judgement is not conclusive. This case still remains open since the “visions” or “manifestations” are still occuring. Isn’t it that until now the Blessed Virgin is still allegedly appearing in Medjugorje? Let us keep in mind that this occurence is also not fully backed by the Church since the apparitions are still going on. Mother Church is very cautious when to pass judgement. We also should be careful when we say that the Roman Catholic Church accepts a group or not because I doubt that anyone in this forum knows the COMPLETE stance of the Church towards BNP. A particular diocese may not support a group or religious order but this does not mean that other dioceses do so as well. As far as I am concerned, unless Rome has not issued a ban letter to this group, the Universal Church has not condemned this group. A Bishop’s ban is only limited within his jurisdiction, meaning his own diocese and not another diocese where the Ordinary is a different person. Bishops in each diocese do whatever they can to try and maintain their own. However, let us also keep in mind that there are times when they too may not recognize the workings of the Holy Spirit. For example the newly canonized saint, Mother Theodor Guerin who resisted her bishop and continued her work to find a college for women. Did her resistance and pursuit in works of charity made her an evil person out to destroy the Church because of her disobedience to the will of the local ordinary?

Anyway, this is a subject that cannot be answered thoroughly and appropriately in this forum. I do know for a fact that there are many bishops and Cardinals who are in support of this group. Take for instance Cardinal Vidal of the Archdiocese of Cebu. He even allows BNP members to have nocturnal adoration in his own residence. Another factor that we also have to keep in mind is the cultural expression. Filipinos tend to be overdramatic and sometimes mix superstitions in their expression of their faith.

“A Pharisee in the Sanhedrin named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, respected by all the people, stood up, ordered the men to be put outside for a short time, and said to them, “Fellow Israelites, be careful what you are about to do to these men. Some time ago, Theudas appeared, claiming to be someone important, and about four hundred men joined him, but he was killed, and all those who were loyal to him were disbanded and came to nothing. After him came Judas the Galilean at the time of the census. He also drew people after him, but he too perished and all who were loyal to him were scattered. So now I tell you, have nothing to do with these men, and let them go. For if this endeavor or this activity is of human origin, it will destroy itself. But if it comes from God, you will not be able to destroy them; you may even find yourselves fighting against God.”” (Acts 5:34-39)

I suggest that this thread should end here least people fall further into more sin and devisive literary mudslinging. It does not take a genius nor a psychologist to sense the tension and anger oozing out of this forum thread. Instead of posting more words of condemnation and alienation while wagging literary fingers of self-righteousness thinking that we know everything that is happening around us, we should all just sit in front of the Tabernacle and pray. I don’t think this forum was created to condemn people but to build each other up by sharing encouraging thoughts and experiences that the Holy Spirit has graced us in our day to day lives. God Bless Everyone!
 
very well said. thank you for sharing. i’m a member too. i’m just reading all these posts and praying. in the end, as the late Mother Theresa said, it’s still going to be between us and God. it’s just that what we learned in the BNP just helps a great deal in connecting with God all the time… be it in the Fatima rosaries, the vigil adoration in many Catholic churches, helping the poor, etc. but none of these will be effective, whether we are a bnp member or not, if all the Teachings of Christ are not applied in our life. if anyone does not believe in the BNP, that is your choice. i happen to believe in it because it has deepened my faith and it has made me more Catholic than when i haven’t joined this group. i’m not saying i’m a saint. nope. i still commit sins. i’m not perfect. but this is why all of us, while we still have the privilege to live, try to stand up each time. Mahal na Ingkong, Yaweh, Christ, Jehovah, God, or however you want to personally address Him, is a loving Father. He does not discriminate. So we all shouldn’t either. Worry more of other Christians who have left the Catholic church or who have lost their faith completely and have gone astray, than those who became closer to the Blessed Sacrament and the Blessed Mother and are trying to do their best to change because of their love for God and their families, because of their experience in the BNP. And for those who have not changed or who continue to sin, pray for them. We all are sinners here just doing our best to correct our ways… All of us, whether one is a BNP member or not. So please stop throwing stones, because I don’t think God is pleased with that at all. Shalom.
 
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