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cestusdei
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I am speaking the truth and naming the enemy. Not hiding my head in the sand and appeasing the ones who want to kill us. We are at war regardless of what you or I think. I would like us to win.
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pro_universal
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No, you’re not speaking the truth. You’re blaming all muslims for terrorism and injustice. That’s falsehood number one.
Falsehood number two is implicit in your comment: that winning wars overrides all other concern in Catholic teaching.
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dignity
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discipleofJesus
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what makes you say that the link i posted is an example of Islamic heresy or of heretical writing? what Islamic heresy is it an example of? how do you know it is not an example of Sunni writing?
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pro_universal
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Because Sunni writing comes from the Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki, or Shafi’i schools as far as legal opinions are concerned. I know it’s not sunni writing:
- Because of its conclusions
- Its reliance on the authorities that are now cited by “salafists”.
amislam.com/fajr.htm
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Muslim
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i have said it before i am saying it again…
calling any noninfidelkilling Muslim a moderate Muslim is an insult…
that implies that someone who is a full Muslim wants to harm innocent people and kill others, etc…
and i am tired of these “muslims” dont help stopping terrorism bs…
do you even read the news? half the terrorists that are in jail or have been captured have been done so by Muslim police force, secret intelligence, etc…
20 “Muslim” terrorist just got the death penalty in Bangladesh (one of the largest Muslim countries in the world).
calling any noninfidelkilling Muslim a moderate Muslim is an insult…
that implies that someone who is a full Muslim wants to harm innocent people and kill others, etc…
and i am tired of these “muslims” dont help stopping terrorism bs…
do you even read the news? half the terrorists that are in jail or have been captured have been done so by Muslim police force, secret intelligence, etc…
20 “Muslim” terrorist just got the death penalty in Bangladesh (one of the largest Muslim countries in the world).
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creativecat
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Like In Christainity you have many different sects and cults in Islam, and different interpretations. For example Sufism in some Muslim countries are persecuted or not treated equally. Whabbism which considers other Islamic sects herectical is itself herectical.
amislam.com/fajr.htm
But the main point here is that I see this debate about whether Islam promotes terroism or not as a futile one, beacause thats not going to get them to convert to the true faith based on Christ. As Christians we should be more concerned about saving their souls, not fighting them in wars. Its not the debate on terroism thats going to change their minds and hearts, but the truth about Muhammad and the Koran. It can be proven easily that Muhammad was a false prophet (because there is only Christ first of all) and we also have the evidence.
answering-islam.org/Silas/demons.htm
biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm
Lets try to save Muslims, not blame terroism on them. It just makes them more defensive, when in fact only the Truth of Christ can change their hearts. Not fighting them back, but witnessing to them the Truth. Lets show them why the Koran can’t be the word of God. One of the mistaken arguments that Koran says is that Jesus never died on the cross, but that Judas took his place. Why would Jesus allow another man to take his place? Written evidence contemporary to Jesus’s time, Josephus, etc, agree with the Gospels on Jesus’s cruxifixion. I ask any Muslim out there to do research on Jesus’s cruxifixion and life. Answer this question: why would the apostles die for someone who never died on the cross? The fact is that the Koran is in direct contradiction with history and everything we know about that time period concerning Jesus’s life. Either Jesus was crucified and resurrected, or the Koran lies. If the Koran lies, then its not the word of God.
These from a website above that I’ve all quoted from:
"One interesting way that some off the original verses of the Quran were lost is that a follower of Muhammad named Abdollah Sarh would make suggestions to Muhammad about rephrasing, adding to, or subtracting from the Suras. Muhammad often did as Sarh suggested. "
Ali Dashti explains what happened:
“Abdollah renounced Islam on the ground that the revelations, if from God, could not be changed at the prompting of a scribe such as he. After his apostasy he went to Mecca and joined the Qorayshites” (Dashti, 23 Years, p. 98).
It is no wonder that when Muhammad conquered Mecca one of the first people he killed was Abdollah, for he knew too much and opened his mouth too often.
"Some Verses Abrogated
In the abrogation process spoken of earlier, verses which are contradictory to Muslim faith and practice have been removed from the text, such as the “satanic verses” in which Muhammad approved of the worship of the three goddesses, the daughters of Allah. "
The Arabic scholar E. Wherry comments:
“There being some passages in the Quran which are contradictory, the Muhammadan doctors obviate any objection from thence by the doctrine of abrogation; for they say that God in the Quran commanded several things which were for good reasons afterwards revoked and abrogated” (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Qurun, p. 110).
Wherry goes on to document numerous examples of verses taken out of the Quran.
Canon Sell in his work, Historical Development of the Quran, also comments on the practice of abrogating verses out of the Quran if they are troublesome:
"It is to us astounding how so compromising a procedure can have been permitted to be introduced into the system by friends and foes (Madras: Diocesan Press, 1923, pp. 36-37).
Some Verses Added
Not only have parts of the Quran been lost, but entire verses and chapters have been added to it.
For example, Ubai had several Suras in his manuscript of the Quran which Uthman omitted from his standardized text.
Thus there were Qurans in circulation before Uthman’s text which had additional revelations from Muhammad that Uthman did not find or approve of, and thus he failed to place them in his text.
No Originals
As to the claim that the original manuscript of the Quran is still in existence, we have already pointed out there was no single “manuscript” of the Quran.
Caesar Farah in his book on Islam, states:
“When Muhammad died there existed no singular codex of the sacred text” (Caesar Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York; Barrons, 1987, p. 28).
The Shorter Encyclopedia off Islam comments:
“One thing only is certain and is openly recognized by tradition, namely, that there was not in existence any collection of revelations in the final form, because, as long as he was alive, new revelations were being added to the earlier ones” (p. 271).
amislam.com/fajr.htm
But the main point here is that I see this debate about whether Islam promotes terroism or not as a futile one, beacause thats not going to get them to convert to the true faith based on Christ. As Christians we should be more concerned about saving their souls, not fighting them in wars. Its not the debate on terroism thats going to change their minds and hearts, but the truth about Muhammad and the Koran. It can be proven easily that Muhammad was a false prophet (because there is only Christ first of all) and we also have the evidence.
answering-islam.org/Silas/demons.htm
biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm
Lets try to save Muslims, not blame terroism on them. It just makes them more defensive, when in fact only the Truth of Christ can change their hearts. Not fighting them back, but witnessing to them the Truth. Lets show them why the Koran can’t be the word of God. One of the mistaken arguments that Koran says is that Jesus never died on the cross, but that Judas took his place. Why would Jesus allow another man to take his place? Written evidence contemporary to Jesus’s time, Josephus, etc, agree with the Gospels on Jesus’s cruxifixion. I ask any Muslim out there to do research on Jesus’s cruxifixion and life. Answer this question: why would the apostles die for someone who never died on the cross? The fact is that the Koran is in direct contradiction with history and everything we know about that time period concerning Jesus’s life. Either Jesus was crucified and resurrected, or the Koran lies. If the Koran lies, then its not the word of God.
These from a website above that I’ve all quoted from:
"One interesting way that some off the original verses of the Quran were lost is that a follower of Muhammad named Abdollah Sarh would make suggestions to Muhammad about rephrasing, adding to, or subtracting from the Suras. Muhammad often did as Sarh suggested. "
Ali Dashti explains what happened:
“Abdollah renounced Islam on the ground that the revelations, if from God, could not be changed at the prompting of a scribe such as he. After his apostasy he went to Mecca and joined the Qorayshites” (Dashti, 23 Years, p. 98).
It is no wonder that when Muhammad conquered Mecca one of the first people he killed was Abdollah, for he knew too much and opened his mouth too often.
"Some Verses Abrogated
In the abrogation process spoken of earlier, verses which are contradictory to Muslim faith and practice have been removed from the text, such as the “satanic verses” in which Muhammad approved of the worship of the three goddesses, the daughters of Allah. "
The Arabic scholar E. Wherry comments:
“There being some passages in the Quran which are contradictory, the Muhammadan doctors obviate any objection from thence by the doctrine of abrogation; for they say that God in the Quran commanded several things which were for good reasons afterwards revoked and abrogated” (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Qurun, p. 110).
Wherry goes on to document numerous examples of verses taken out of the Quran.
Canon Sell in his work, Historical Development of the Quran, also comments on the practice of abrogating verses out of the Quran if they are troublesome:
"It is to us astounding how so compromising a procedure can have been permitted to be introduced into the system by friends and foes (Madras: Diocesan Press, 1923, pp. 36-37).
Some Verses Added
Not only have parts of the Quran been lost, but entire verses and chapters have been added to it.
For example, Ubai had several Suras in his manuscript of the Quran which Uthman omitted from his standardized text.
Thus there were Qurans in circulation before Uthman’s text which had additional revelations from Muhammad that Uthman did not find or approve of, and thus he failed to place them in his text.
No Originals
As to the claim that the original manuscript of the Quran is still in existence, we have already pointed out there was no single “manuscript” of the Quran.
Caesar Farah in his book on Islam, states:
“When Muhammad died there existed no singular codex of the sacred text” (Caesar Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York; Barrons, 1987, p. 28).
The Shorter Encyclopedia off Islam comments:
“One thing only is certain and is openly recognized by tradition, namely, that there was not in existence any collection of revelations in the final form, because, as long as he was alive, new revelations were being added to the earlier ones” (p. 271).
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