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Can somebody please explain what Modern Catholic (Church of England) is? It is recognised by the Roman Catholic church?
 
OP, maybe you could explain where you are getting the term “Modern Catholic (Church of England)” from? Web searching does not turn up anything.
 
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I have checked the Internet and come up with different things, none of which answer my question. It refers to a style of worship on a church’s website.

I thought it meant Anglican Catholic but I can’t find it on a list of Anglican Catholic websites. There seems to be a branch of catholicism that is breaking away from the Anglican Catholic church and leaning towards papacy and I really want to know if this is it.

Thank you so much for your replies, I really appreciate it. I have put the link to the church below

achurchnearyou.com/wragby-st-michael-our-lady/
 
The parish is a Church of England (Anglican) parish. I presume that you know the difference between the Protestant Church of England and the Catholic Church. The website says; “Style of worship: Modern Catholic (Church of England).” I do not know exactly what that term means. I do not think that it means that this parish is contemplating joining the Catholic Church. Some Anglicans use the term Anglo-Catholic but it does not mean that they are in any way in communion with the Catholic Church, it just refers to the style of liturgy.

There is a ‘Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham,’ established in 2011 to allow Anglicans to enter into communion with the Catholic Church, while retaining their liturgy and traditions.

ordinariate.org.uk/
 
Thanks for that. It’s all very confusing! I’ll contact the church and ask them. I appreciate your help.
 
I would take ‘Style of Worship Modern Catholic’ to mean in the style of the Ordinary Form, rather than Traditional Latin Mass with incense, silence etc.
 
jfogarty said:
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I have checked the Internet and come up with different things, none of which answer my question. It refers to a style of worship on a church’s website.

I thought it meant Anglican Catholic but I can’t find it on a list of Anglican Catholic websites. There seems to be a branch of catholicism that is breaking away from the Anglican Catholic church and leaning towards papacy and I really want to know if this is it.

Thank you so much for your replies, I really appreciate it. I have put the link to the church below

achurchnearyou.com/wragby-st-michael-our-lady/
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Put simply modern catholic refers to the churchmanship and worship style you will find at this parish which is in the catholic tradition of the CofE. So you would probably find a forward altar (though with communion kneelers), responsorial psalm rather than Anglican chant and perhaps more modern hymnody interspersed with more traditional hymns from the New English hymnal. Also incense at every mass.

These masses still look and feel more traditional than Roman catholic masses as they kneel for communion, sing more traditional hymns, and sing the Angelus/Regina Caeli at the end of mass, though remember they are CofE and not RC. Hope this helps.
 
That’s brilliant, thanks so much. I spoke to the vicar and he confirmed pretty much what liturgyluver said. I knew it wasn’t Roman Catholic but I just wanted to find out how different it was. They’re trying to narrow the gap between the Christian religions so in this day and age it’s all pretty close. I’m a Roman Catholic and just wanted to find out the implications of getting married in this church. I’ve got conflicting views from different priests (from I won’t be able to receive communion again to I’ll be excommunicated ). I believe the Pope is fairly liberal about it as he said who is he to refuse somebody communion but I think his messages do not filter down to the rank and file clergy.
 
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That’s brilliant, thanks so much. I spoke to the vicar and he confirmed pretty much what liturgyluver said. I knew it wasn’t Roman Catholic but I just wanted to find out how different it was. They’re trying to narrow the gap between the Christian religions so in this day and age it’s all pretty close. I’m a Roman Catholic and just wanted to find out the implications of getting married in this church. I’ve got conflicting views from different priests (from I won’t be able to receive communion again to I’ll be excommunicated ). I believe the Pope is fairly liberal about it as he said who is he to refuse somebody communion but I think his messages do not filter down to the rank and file clergy.
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Pope Francis’ words should not be taken to mean that “anything goes.” And contrary to the impression some folks get, Catholicism is not just about the Pope, though the Pope has great power within the Church.

Pope Francis’ attitude has had an effect on the pastoral choices made by at least some clergy and lay ministers, in my experience. But Catholics are expected to get married in the Catholic Church. I would advise against approaching your local clergy with an attitude of entitlement. You may well find them willing to make pastoral exceptions, but you shouldn’t demand them as some kind of right based on your own interpretation of casual statements by Pope Francis reported in the secular media.

Edwin
 
Edwin, your reply is not very helpful. At no point in my comment did I suggest I had an entitlement. The reason I’m not getting married in a Catholic Church is that my fiancée is not catholic. We are getting married near her home so the nearest Catholic Church have refused to allow us get married as I do not live in the parish. The church of england church is our only option for a church wedding. It is very important to my fiancée to have a church wedding as she has strong Christian beliefs. Refreshingly, she does not care what denomination the church is as long as it is Christian.
I’m also sure Pope Francis will thank you for clarifying his comments. The only problem was that I did not read the comments in the media, I heard them in the Pope Paul VI Hall in the Vatican. Now, I was at the back so I can’t be 100% sure but I’m pretty sure the fellow at the front saying them was Pope Francis. It certainly looked like him and the rest of the 6,000 strong crowd seemed to think it was him. Maybe you know something we don’t?!?
Thank you again to the people who left helpful, non judgemental comments.
 
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Edwin, your reply is not very helpful. At no point in my comment did I suggest I had an entitlement. The reason I’m not getting married in a Catholic Church is that my fiancée is not catholic. We are getting married near her home so the nearest Catholic Church have refused to allow us get married as I do not live in the parish. The church of england church is our only option for a church wedding. It is very important to my fiancée to have a church wedding as she has strong Christian beliefs. Refreshingly, she does not care what denomination the church is as long as it is Christian.
I’m also sure Pope Francis will thank you for clarifying his comments. The only problem was that I did not read the comments in the media, I heard them in the Pope Paul VI Hall in the Vatican. Now, I was at the back so I can’t be 100% sure but I’m pretty sure the fellow at the front saying them was Pope Francis. It certainly looked like him and the rest of the 6,000 strong crowd seemed to think it was him. Maybe you know something we don’t?!?
Thank you again to the people who left helpful, non judgemental comments.
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If it matters to you, as a baptized Catholic, the Church will not consider your marriage valid unless you get dispensation from your bishop to be married outside the Church. With dispensation, a marriage in a non-Catholic ceremony to a non-Catholic is valid, so it may be something to look into.
 
Thank you wesrock. I’m going to do that. I was also looking at a convalidation ceremony. I believe the dispensation is enough though (I will ask the bishop). My bishop is not straightforward and could easily refuse (that is why I was annoyed at that comment suggesting I thought I was entitled to it). My fiancée has no issues with promising to bring our children (if we are blessed with children) up as catholics. The bottom line is though that I would imagine the church is trying to keep people, not turn people away so it makes sense for him to agree.
 
My guess is that “Modern Catholic (Church of England)” would refer to a Church of England service that uses Common Worship (an adaption of the Second Translation of the Roman Rite) and is therefore in modern language, as opposed to using the more traditional Book of Common Prayer, but that uses some more Catholic style rituals - e.g. the priests will probably wear chasubles, genuflect to the Sacrament, elevate the consecrated Host etc.
 
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Thank you wesrock. I’m going to do that. I was also looking at a convalidation ceremony. I believe the dispensation is enough though (I will ask the bishop). My bishop is not straightforward and could easily refuse (that is why I was annoyed at that comment suggesting I thought I was entitled to it). My fiancée has no issues with promising to bring our children (if we are blessed with children) up as catholics. The bottom line is though that I would imagine the church is trying to keep people, not turn people away so it makes sense for him to agree.
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having read this and the conversations that went on before it I would be very very disappointed in any Bishop that did not grant a dispensation. Two of my cousins have have dispensations…one to be married in a C of E church and one for his wife to marry him in a Catholic Nuptual Mass where they both recieved communion despite the fact that she was Anglican. The fact that the couple *marry each other *in the presence of God and the Priest his minister, seems to me to make it very easy for the Bishop to do the right thing
 
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