Modern Day Miracles

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This is a difficult topic for me on a number of levels. For starters, I am a convert to the Catholic faith. Before that I was a Charismatic/Evangelical Protestant. Before that, I was an staunch agnostic. My conversion to the Catholic faith was very supernatural, so I’m certainly open to miracles.

This is my issue…

On a couple ocassions I talked to a trusted friend that told me about some fantastic miracles within her church; it’s Charismatic and Evangelical in nature. The majority of people are in their late teens to early thirties, but not entirely. Having spent some time there before, there is no question that there are zealous and fervent followers of the Lord, within that type of spirituality.

She told me about a supposedly fairly common miracle where gold dust floats all over the room during worship sessions. Most recently she told me about heavenly gems appearing in people’s hands. She basically says God wants to reveal these things because He loves His people and wants to inspire them. There is positively no reason to believe she is lying. Furthermore, this phenomena has been known to happen in many Charismatic circles.

First of all, I have no doubt that God is capable of these things, but this type of miracle is not recorded anywhere in the history of the Church that I’m aware of. Certainly we have much greater miraculous events, but it confounds me that God would do these things in an environment that tends to be anti-catholic. I talked to a Charismatic Catholic Priest from the order of Companions of the Cross, and he told me he heard of this too, but has never experienced this himself. I was wondering if anyone here has ever experienced this for themselves.

Finally, let’s assume these things are happening. What are the options? Either this is from God or this is well, from the devil, right? I am extremely reluctant to say this is a satanic force because there are too many good fruits. Many people are turning from their sin and “giving their lives to Jesus.” If this is true, what does this mean for Catholics?

Do not get me wrong, I have no desire to leave the Church, because Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist. Furthermore, this is where God wants me. I’m just trying to make sense out of this powerful and growing movement, the Church will have to confront.

There are other concerns I have too, but I will bring them out as people respond.

Best of Blessing…
 
I am not an expert, but I could give some thoughts.
We are all Christians - Catholic or non-Catholic. Therefore, God is with all of us, and miracles do happen to all of us even to unbelievers so that we may know Him better.

So, if the miracles happen there, it is good for them. If one becomes to love God more and to know Him better, he/she will love all Christians in the way that Jesus teaches. He will not judge others like he used to … but to see each other as brother and sister in Christ.

What makes us, Catholic, different from the others is that we have the whole truth. We can keep continuing praying for others to see this.

Trust in the Lord that He will help those who have good intention and fill the hearts of those who carry hatred towards their brothers with love.
 
This is a difficult topic for me on a number of levels. For starters, I am a convert to the Catholic faith. Before that I was a Charismatic/Evangelical Protestant. Before that, I was an staunch agnostic. My conversion to the Catholic faith was very supernatural, so I’m certainly open to miracles.

This is my issue…

On a couple ocassions I talked to a trusted friend that told me about some fantastic miracles within her church; it’s Charismatic and Evangelical in nature. The majority of people are in their late teens to early thirties, but not entirely. Having spent some time there before, there is no question that there are zealous and fervent followers of the Lord, within that type of spirituality.

She told me about a supposedly fairly common miracle where gold dust floats all over the room during worship sessions. Most recently she told me about heavenly gems appearing in people’s hands. She basically says God wants to reveal these things because He loves His people and wants to inspire them. There is positively no reason to believe she is lying. Furthermore, this phenomena has been known to happen in many Charismatic circles.

First of all, I have no doubt that God is capable of these things, but this type of miracle is not recorded anywhere in the history of the Church that I’m aware of. Certainly we have much greater miraculous events, but it confounds me that God would do these things in an environment that tends to be anti-catholic. I talked to a Charismatic Catholic Priest from the order of Companions of the Cross, and he told me he heard of this too, but has never experienced this himself. I was wondering if anyone here has ever experienced this for themselves.

Finally, let’s assume these things are happening. What are the options? Either this is from God or this is well, from the devil, right? I am extremely reluctant to say this is a satanic force because there are too many good fruits. Many people are turning from their sin and “giving their lives to Jesus.” If this is true, what does this mean for Catholics?

Do not get me wrong, I have no desire to leave the Church, because Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist. Furthermore, this is where God wants me. I’m just trying to make sense out of this powerful and growing movement, the Church will have to confront.

There are other concerns I have too, but I will bring them out as people respond.

Best of Blessing…
I’ve never heard of this. So it just appears in the air or what?
As far as miracles happening, yes they happen even in this day and age to Catholics and Non-Catholics.
 
Thank you for your thoughts Water. I see your posts fairly often and appreciate what you have to say.
 
I’ve never heard of this. So it just appears in the air or what?
As far as miracles happening, yes they happen even in this day and age to Catholics and Non-Catholics.
Yes, the gold dust floats all over there air. Oh, I failed to mention that people’s teeth turn to gold. (…very strange, I know) The gems part I’ve never heard before, but it sounds like they simple appear in people’s hands.
 
One of my concerns here is what seems to be an over emphasis on miracles and healings at the expense of taking care of the poor and the lowly. They also seem to be power hungry. To be able to do miracles is what’s most important. Holiness and sacrificial love seem to be of secondary importance at best. In other words, to be a zealous and on-fire Christian doing great things for the Lord, it’s almost like you have to be a great miracle worker.

I know Saint John of the Cross had some things to say about this…
 
They also seem to be power hungry.
That is something we all need to be cautious about. Sometimes, we are too focusing on this and we might lose the meaning of faith. Also, do not caught up on this, pride can be very dangerous to us.
I know Saint John of the Cross had some things to say about this…
I can’t wait for this coming retreat at Cedar Brake in Belton, Texas. The retreat is to learn about Saint Teresa of Avila, Saint John of the Cross, and another holy figure that I can’t remember on top of my head.
 
Hmm? I just don’t understand what the **purpose **would be of the gold dust, gems or even gold teeth?
 
Hmm? I just don’t understand what the **purpose **would be of the gold dust, gems or even gold teeth?
I wanted to ask if this was real gold and gems. 🙂
If it was, I see the danger of this kind of miracles. It might end up making people thirst for gold than God - and we know for sure where this temptation comes from.
 
I agree that there are multiple things to be concerned about here. Interestingly, when you listen to figures within the Charismatic movement teach, they do not see the value in suffering. All diseases and ailments should be healed; none are the will of God. There is rarely or never any mention of mortification either. Also, you never see any figures like Mother Theresa or Saint Francis within the movement. A perfect example is Benny Hinn. Supposedly the guy is a multimillionaire, but a miracle worker too? There are likely other examples; however, I’m not judging their hearts. I just see multiple red flags based on what we believe to be true.
 
There are some churches or movements that have done things to grow their memberships by creating mircles of their own making. If that is the case, then we all know the answer.
May the Lord forgive me if i’m wrong on this.
 
On one occasion, I went with this group of people who prayed in tongue to visit someone who had cancer. When praying, they focused more on asking for the person to be healed physically. This person had a son who said that he would believe in God if his mother got healed.

When the meeting was over, I asked them why we just mainly focused on the physical healing? Why didn’t we mention about the suffering and the will of God. Well, they said a sick person liked to hear about being physically healed more so they prayed for that, but they also said they would later try to explain to the person about suffering and the will of God.

Personally, I think it is ok to ask for healing, but we must emphasize on how great for a person to offer every bit of suffering to Jesus.

When we look at the lives of many saints - I think if not all…most of them were suffering physically a lot.

Your signature is the image of Padre Pio. I saw a movie about him , and I really liked it. He is one of the great examples for the saints who suffered.
 
Amen. Saint Pio definitely did. He is one of the main reasons I’m Catholic today. Saint Pio, pray for us…
 
christcnection1

I wouldn’t pay much attention to the so called miracles. I’ve often found people making claims to miracles are fanatics who believe just about anything.

I have a friend who is big on Marian apparitions and claims the Blessed Mother turned his rosary bead chain to gold. When I pointed out that the part of the chain that was under the bead where he couldn’t touch it was still steel, and that the part he touched changed color due to acid in his fingers, it still didn’t sway his belief that the rosary had been changed to gold.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve seen real miracles. However, in my experience over the past 32 years, every miracle I’ve seen, happened so naturally and simple, many people who were present, didn’t even notice it. The so called miracles that had all the dynamics and glory of a Hollywood movie, didn’t stand the test of time.

I’m convinced from my own experience, that if you grow spiritually, you’ll grow away from such things.

Jim
 
christcnection1
I wouldn’t pay much attention to the so called miracles. I’ve often found people making claims to miracles are fanatics who believe just about anything.
I have a friend who is big on Marian apparitions and claims the Blessed Mother turned his rosary bead chain to gold. When I pointed out that the part of the chain that was under the bead where he couldn’t touch it was still steel, and that the part he touched changed color due to acid in his fingers, it still didn’t sway his belief that the rosary had been changed to gold.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve seen real miracles. However, in my experience over the past 32 years, every miracle I’ve seen, happened so naturally and simple, many people who were present, didn’t even notice it. The so called miracles that had all the dynamics and glory of a Hollywood movie, didn’t stand the test of time.
I’m convinced from my own experience, that if you grow spiritually, you’ll grow away from such things.
Thanks for your insights Jim. When it comes to genuine miracles, I’m reasonably skeptical. I suppose my primary concern with these things is their influence on others. If they are genuine movements of God, indeed, this is something to pay attention to. If not, what’s the cause? Because I have not experienced this particular phenomena myself, I am reluctant to conclude that it’s not happening. This too would be a foolish assumption. Please do not misunderstand me; I am not a miracle chaser. I am just seeking the truth in this world of great confusion and deception. The truth is a part of me would be relieved to discover these were non-supernatural events.

By the way, what kinds of miracles have you experienced? I recently wrote a book on my supernatural conversion story. I’m basically distributing a free copy for each person. You’re welcome to have one if you’re interested. (This goes for anyone here.)
 
I recently wrote a book on my supernatural conversion story. I’m basically distributing a free copy for each person. You’re welcome to have one if you’re interested. (This goes for anyone here.)
Count me in. 🙂 Thanks!

Back to the time when I had questions such as yours, I finally went to a local Catholic bookstore. When I got there, I prayed that God would provide me a book. Sure enough - The Diary of Saint Faustina - many questions of mine were answered by reading her diary. 🙂

PS: I used to live in Lancaster, PA … not far from where you live - been to Austin area, TX for nearly 2 years now.
 
Hmm, these miracles do not sound like they would lead someone to be poor in spirit.
 
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Hmm, these miracles do not sound like they would lead someone to be poor in spirit.
I agree. There are many red flags here; however, they are unquestionably zealous prayer and praise warriors. They have a lot of “prophets” as guest speakers, as well as “prophetic” conferences, primarily focusing on “spiritual gifts.” This is their website:

lcmi.org/
 

Free book offer on my supernatural conversion to the Catholic Church

FYI: I have already gotten permission from CAF to do this, and there is another thread with this offer. This is a non-profit venture. (It was just appropriate to also offer it on this thread)

Call or write to…

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…and request “The Seed that Fell on Good Ground”

It’s a quick and entertaining read. I’ve gotten great feedback so far.

 
christcnection1

One miracle that is dear to me, is about my son.

He was born premature 27 weeks, and weighing just under 3lbs.

He was in Boston Women’s Hospital, and after 2 days of life, suddenly everything in his system shut down. His arteries collapsed, his lungs collapsed and he wasn’t get any oxygen to his brain. My wife(who is a nurse) and myself were brought into the intensive care nursery, where we saw our son completely grey, with tubes coming out of his chest and his ventilator attempting to breath for him. My wife looked and him and asked the doctor, “he’s dead isn’t he?” The doctor say, essentially yes. He then told us that we would be brought into a private room where our sons body would be brought to us. We said we would like a priest to come in and give him the last sacraments. He was already baptised by the doctor who delivered him in an emergency c-section. My wife was devastated and on the crises of faith. “Why did God allow this to happen?” I could only answer, " he’s in his hands, we must trust in God’s will." Anyway, we waited about 20 minutes for the priest and they told us he was here, but to come out to the intensive care nursery, for they had not yet taken the tubes out of him yet. The priest, who my wife and myself never met, came into the care unit with us, clinical gowns and all. He then began giving my son the last sacraments. The nurses and doctors came around the isolette and prayed. Suddenly, the priest asked me, “by the way, what’s the baby’s name?” I said, Robert James. The pries smiled and said, “really, that’s my name.” Suddenly, my wife and myself had a strong feeling of peace come over us. We felt the strong presence of Christ among us. The pries finished and we walked out and thanked him, never to see him again. We went back to the room to wait for the nurses to bring our son. However, after another 20 minutes, they came to us and said, “we don’t know whats going on, but your son is breathing and he’s getting normal blood-gases.” Another 10 minutes went by and another nurse came to tell us that the doctors don’t understand how he can be breathing so strong. Within an hour, we brought back into the intensive care unit to see our son. Only now, he had good color and we knew, we had a miracle. But it didn’t end there. The doctors then told us that because he had been without oxygen for 12 hours, he would permanent brain damage and would suffer from retardation and other problems. Well to make a long story short, my son is 25 years old today, and although he has cerebral palsy which effects his walking, he is a normal above average thinking human being. He went to regular school and even played T-Ball.
He later learned to play drums and base guitar and created a web-site for handicapped drummers.

handidrummed.com/

Rob Richard is his name.

Jim
 
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