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littlequestion- you can’t be serious…
…I urge you to actually read the article before jumping to such an extreme conclusion-first of all it is 6 years old-surely something new has been written about this man… but even this article goes on to talk abvout the good fruit from his mission despite the concerns and the Biblical reference “that a bad tree cannot bear good fruit…”-that validates my earlier thoughts…
… taking something out of context specifically for the purpose of character assassination and then others taking that at face value as gospel and jumping to conclusions and labeling something or someone “demonic” -which by the way takes meeting far more criteria than just uttering the word…is unbelievable to me- how unkind and unchristian can you get…
…I urge you to actually read the article before jumping to such an extreme conclusion-first of all it is 6 years old-surely something new has been written about this man… but even this article goes on to talk abvout the good fruit from his mission despite the concerns and the Biblical reference “that a bad tree cannot bear good fruit…”-that validates my earlier thoughts…… taking something out of context specifically for the purpose of character assassination and then others taking that at face value as gospel and jumping to conclusions and labeling something or someone “demonic” -which by the way takes meeting far more criteria than just uttering the word…is unbelievable to me- how unkind and unchristian can you get…
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Under no circumstances, ever, does a Catholic swear in Church, in the presence of the Holy Eucharist.littlequestion- you can’t be serious…
… taking something out of context specifically for the purpose of character assassination and then others taking that at face value as gospel and jumping to conclusions and labeling something or someone “demonic” -which by the way takes meeting far more criteria than just uttering the word…is unbelievable to me- how unkind and unchristian can you get…
Satan bears all kinds of false fruit to persuade the gullible. He is having a field day with this guy. This so-called prophet is leading everyone who follows him straight to hell, especially the poor priests and bishops who will answer for permitting such grievous insult to Our Lord right there in the presence of the Eucharist. I’ll pray for them, that they become strong enough in their office to stand up to the sensation-seeking crowd that has fallen for this guy’s demonic cursing in the Sanctuary of Our Lord.
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Stylites
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Your post runs an even taller one. Regarding the man’s good words, what do you suppose is the source of the angst that brings about calumny in others?
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Stylites
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Which do you suppose is worse? A priests’ counsel against the undocumented use of some vaguely defined vulgar word? Or calumny and judgmentalism and claiming to be a spokesman for Satan’s daily affairs?
Keep in mind that the article which John1360 posted includes a request to email the father if anyone has any questions, right after he stated his approval of the man and his ministry. You might consider doing that before consigning the speaker’s soul to hell.
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JCnMe
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I agee Stylites- and now it’s not only Ben Case who is “demonic”- but also the Priests and Bishops who recognize the fruits of the message,that are leading the people straight to hell-at least according to littlequestion
Littlequestion-Do you really believe God is as unforgiving, unmerciful, punishing and self righteous as you are?..You have no idea what was said-and yet you are ready to believe your judgment surpasses the Priests and the Bishops who have witnessed him first hand…and not only do you disagree with them- but you take it a step further and accuse them all of leading people straight to hell…-let’s hope God is having a good day when the two of you sit down to talk about this…
Littlequestion-Do you really believe God is as unforgiving, unmerciful, punishing and self righteous as you are?..You have no idea what was said-and yet you are ready to believe your judgment surpasses the Priests and the Bishops who have witnessed him first hand…and not only do you disagree with them- but you take it a step further and accuse them all of leading people straight to hell…
-let’s hope God is having a good day when the two of you sit down to talk about this…
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Heavens_Flowers
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No one is perfect. Not even men of God, we are all human and therefore all sinners. It doesn’t really matter that he made a mistake in church if he’s asked forgiveness. People have been very harsh and critical of my posting, calling me gullible, calling my son retarded, and so on, I just want to say that I only posted this not to be insulted but to obtain guidance from what I thought were like minded Catholics. After reading these posts I’ve come to the conclusion my faith is grounded, and I’m on the right path. Thanks for all the comments to those who were Christian in there words, your words reaffirmed what I should have held strong to all along. Thank you!
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John1360
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I highlighted what I found to be troubling from an article that a link was provided to, so anyone could read it in it’s entire context. This man could be legitimate for all I know, but this business of speaking in tongues which know one can understand raises some concerns as does swearing in a Catholic Church.
If you want the type of service that consists of laying on of the hands, falling backward filled with the Holy Spirit & speaking what amounts to be gibberish there are churches that already have all of that in place.
If ain’t broke don’t fix it.
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JCnMe
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John-speaking in tongues is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit-it is not for you to say if it is genuine or not or to judge it as “gibberish”…the fact that you have not been given that gift does not mean that others cannot be blessed by it-…you have at least one gift- some have many…if you are not using your gift or do not know what it is- that is a waste-pray on it- Ben Case apparently is helping some discover theirs…you should be happy for them and feel blessed to be made aware of such things…give the glory to God-and then let it be-…
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John1360
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Could be from the Holy Spirit or it might not be . How is one to know for sure ?
Brendan Case may be what he says he is or he might not be… again how do you know ?
When someone says something like " I have the gift of Prophecy, healing and can deliver the Holy Spirit on command " I’d like to see some proof, maybe The Holy See’s approval would be nice. I’ve seen all sorts of people on the internet claiming the same things; they pray over people- the people fall back , roll around the floor, others start speaking in so called tongues, others handle poisonous snakes claiming the Holy Spirit will protect them from harm. I am suppose to believe them all because it’s in the Bible ?
Brendan Case may be what he says he is or he might not be… again how do you know ?
When someone says something like " I have the gift of Prophecy, healing and can deliver the Holy Spirit on command " I’d like to see some proof, maybe The Holy See’s approval would be nice. I’ve seen all sorts of people on the internet claiming the same things; they pray over people- the people fall back , roll around the floor, others start speaking in so called tongues, others handle poisonous snakes claiming the Holy Spirit will protect them from harm. I am suppose to believe them all because it’s in the Bible ?
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JCnMe
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No- only the new testament…and nothing says you have to believe in them-only that you trust God in all things- 
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glenaitken
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sounds like you’re supposed to raise your son. this is not anything different that anyone else is called to. I don’t mean this disrespectfully, but take your dad glasses off.
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Protestant101
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I hope it is OK for me to say something here? I just wanted to say that I can understand what you are going through in your questions about this person who calls themself a prophet. It might be of interest to know that this kind of thing actually happens in almost all Churches. I suppose that I would just say that your questions are quite appropriate. It’s important to know what is right. If I were a Catholic; I would not place a lot of credence in this person being a prophet; but I would listen to what he says, try to learn from it; and go to a well-grounded Priest and/or spiritual mentor for some Catholic guidance.
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Heavens_Flowers
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. Lol ok ill take my dad glasses off and put my mommy ones back on :yup: sorry in a funny mood today, but this sounds funny to me, I keep getting called a man, I am a woman, just to clarify. God bless!!!
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You are claiming I said things I did not say. I will not dignify such posts with answers.I agee Stylites- and now it’s not only Ben Case who is “demonic”- but also the Priests and Bishops who recognize the fruits of the message,that are leading the people straight to hell-at least according to littlequestion
Littlequestion-Do you really believe God is as unforgiving, unmerciful, punishing and self righteous as you are?..You have no idea what was said-and yet you are ready to believe your judgment surpasses the Priests and the Bishops who have witnessed him first hand…and not only do you disagree with them- but you take it a step further and accuse them all of leading people straight to hell…
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JCnMe
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.…actually I was being kind- you said exactly those words-I may have paraphrased a bit about your words regarding the Priests and Bishops- but basically you were saying they were following him and in turn leading others to hell… you are accountable for your words…go back and read your posts again-
…actually I was being kind- you said exactly those words-I may have paraphrased a bit about your words regarding the Priests and Bishops- but basically you were saying they were following him and in turn leading others to hell… you are accountable for your words…go back and read your posts again-
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prodigalson12
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Hoping to curb this thread from the state of disaster it’s in by clarifying what prophesy really is. It’s about God speaking through an individual. It is not about God speaking through the same individual, all the time, sometimes he does it with a total non believer, sometimes it comes from the mouth of a child, sometimes it’s through the printed word, but it’s never about producing dissention. It’s very, very rarely about predicting the future, only a statement, as in, if you continue along your path and do not repent, God will step in, at best.
Many of us have prophesied in the past, and just didn’t know it, it’s recognized by it’s fruits, times where you may blurt out something, then step back and think “did I say that?”, it wasn’t you, it was him. It’s not this superfluousness mystical process, where one is renouned individual that walks around with a halo over their heads, commanding and demanding respect and attention at all, and he doesn’t make his presence necessarily known through mighty trumpet blasts and thunder, more like a whisper or gentle breeze.
Honestly, with that official sounding wording from the OP’s so called prophesy, I personally consider it total and complete rubbish, something dressed up to sound all official drives that one home even more so. Prophets do not speak in a different language, they speak with their own dialect, for one, and that alone speaks for itself as to the nature of this one. The only exception being of course, demonic or angelic possession and I am not about to listen to something of which, I clearly cannot know the true source therein.
Many of us have prophesied in the past, and just didn’t know it, it’s recognized by it’s fruits, times where you may blurt out something, then step back and think “did I say that?”, it wasn’t you, it was him. It’s not this superfluousness mystical process, where one is renouned individual that walks around with a halo over their heads, commanding and demanding respect and attention at all, and he doesn’t make his presence necessarily known through mighty trumpet blasts and thunder, more like a whisper or gentle breeze.
Honestly, with that official sounding wording from the OP’s so called prophesy, I personally consider it total and complete rubbish, something dressed up to sound all official drives that one home even more so. Prophets do not speak in a different language, they speak with their own dialect, for one, and that alone speaks for itself as to the nature of this one. The only exception being of course, demonic or angelic possession and I am not about to listen to something of which, I clearly cannot know the true source therein.
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MtnDwellar
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I just came across this thread.
Simple:
Simple:
- free from vanity : modest
- dim-witted: lacking mental capacity
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jewells17
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Regarding the EF Mass…holy cow…google “Father Donald Kloster youtube” and find his talks on the Latim Mass. OMG…never heard anyone pull it all together the way he does. It is four short little talks you can watch on youtube.The Catechism says of charisms (like prophecy) that:
This understanding comes from St. Paul’s letter to the Corinthians (ch. 13), where he says one could make all the prophecies in the world, but it means nothing without love. If this alleged prophecy is causing your family to set your son above his siblings, then it seems to me that it may not be in keeping with charity. In any case, I think you could gently remind your husband’s family of St. Paul’s admonition, and just let the fervor over the prophecy die down.
- "Charisms are to be accepted with gratitude by the person who receives them and by all members of the Church as well. They are a wonderfully rich grace for the apostolic vitality and for the holiness of the entire Body of Christ, provided they really are genuine gifts of the Holy Spirit and are used in full conformity with authentic promptings of this same Spirit, that is, in keeping with charity, the true measure of all charisms.[Cf. 1 Cor 13 .] "
I also wanted to say that attending an EF Mass or being “traditional” does not guarantee that one won’t run across superstitions and/or “free-form” spiritual practices. In fact, one may come across them just as much, but they take different forms. My grandmother, God bless her, is a very traditional Catholic who always attends Mass in Latin if she can. For years, she believed it was perfectly okay to worship the Virgin Mary, and that she was on the same level as the Holy Spirit. I’m still not sure she’s convinced.
Finally, just as an aside, you don’t have to know Latin to benefit from a Latin Mass! I don’t, and I love the one we have in town every other week or so–they’re so beautiful! There will usually be a missal-type booklet with translations for you, so you can start to learn, and the readings and the homily are in English. It’s actually become a sort of evangelistic tool around my university–all the Latin students, Catholic or not, love to come and hear it spoken aloud.
As far as prophecy…www.crossveil.org and www.christiananswersforthenewage.org
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Heavens_Flowers
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On a serious note, I would lovelingly like to point out that while you may doubt my own sons prophecy, prophecies do happen in today’s world. A woman in Russia receives messages from the virgin Mary, twice a month every month since, the 80’s I believe. Another famous Prophecy is from 3 shepard children in Fatima Portugal. I do believe that prophecy is real, and I will never again doubt the power of my lord, from pressure of man! Please look up these modern day prophecies! There are many more modern day prophecies documented and recognized from the church. So why couldn’t this happen to me as well. Please look into these.Here is Marianna’ latest prophecy from Heaven.
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