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Heavens_Flowers
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medjugorje.org/img/newmainlogo4.jpg here is the link to the Marjian visions I refrenced in the above post will get the link to Fatima for you and post here as well.
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Protestant101
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2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
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Heavens_Flowers
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Link to apparition of Mary where she gave 3 shepard children Prophecies:
Other apparitions of Mary in which she revealed prophecies: marypages.com/
Messages to Rwanda proved true: squidoo.com/apparitions
Protestant 101 you are correct which is why I have brought it to a spiritual director. Above are documented prophecies document and proven to be true of
the church.
Other apparitions of Mary in which she revealed prophecies: marypages.com/
Messages to Rwanda proved true: squidoo.com/apparitions
Protestant 101 you are correct which is why I have brought it to a spiritual director. Above are documented prophecies document and proven to be true of
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jewells17
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The definition of humility is…a strong desire to know the truth. That God can speak to his children…no doubt about it. Whether or not the prophecy you speak of is truly from God…is an important question and worth prayerfully pursuing. Good luck and God bless you.
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Heavens_Flowers
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Please check these links, they are not PRIVATE revelations, many people were there in some cases, in the case of our lady of Fatima that I know of miracles we’re performed! Nothing you can say of the scripture can disprove the Catholic Church, because the Catholic church is completely in line with the scriptures. May god bless you!
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Protestant101
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What is your view on “private interpretation” as stated in scripture?
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Lief_Erikson
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It means the prophets were not giving their opinions when they declared the prophecies that are written in Scripture. Rather, the prophets were saying what the Holy Spirit guided them to say.
At least that’s what it appears to be to me, considering the following verse.
“For no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the Holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.”
The Holy Spirit moved the prophets to speak as they did, so they spoke what the Spirit moved them to say, not of their own private interpretation of God’s Word, but truly of God.
All of this is written to back the argument made from verse 16 on, that Jesus is God’s Son. For verse 19 uses the evidence of scriptural prophecy as an infallible support for Jesus’ identity.
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glenaitken
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sorry, it must be sonething in the way you write:blush:
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haastiin
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WOW. that is so far off base I couldn’t let it pass. You would deny the action of the Holy Spirit through the gift of prophesy? And you claim Catholics don’t believe that? Since when? The Catholic Church is the longest-standing steward of the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit. Paul has told us to greatly desire those gifts. The gift of prophecy is not at all like the “information” passed on by some newspaper astrologer or a crackpot doom-sayer. When a word of prophecy comes from God, woe to the prophet to doesn’t speak it or even worse claims credit for it rather than ascribe it to God. Prophesy is a divinely-inspired utterance whereby God makes use of a human voice to declare HIS will, HIS instructions, or HIS plans. As Catholics, we most definitely believe God continues to do that through the ceaseless stirring of human hearts by the Holy Spirit. I recommend caution in calling that bunk, and also recommend even stronger caution is discerning false prophets. How do you know the difference? 1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
I can assure you with utter certainty the Mr. Case is not a false prophet.
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lillyflower
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I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to share my experiences with Brendan Case. I had started going back to the Catholic Church after many years of being away. I had even started to bring my 14 year old son to Mass. We heard about a workshop with Mr. Case and decided to go. It was like a horror movie. People crying, moaning, screaming, speaking in tongues. Brendan was sweating running from person to person exorcising demons. My son and most of the other teens fell to the ground. Some started seizuring and screaming. It was an absolute nightmare. I have since developed anxiety and panic attacks. After studying the Bible and reading about how people possessed acted crazy before Jesus or the disciples exorcised them, I knew Brendan was a fraud. These were all normal acting people hypnotized into acting “possessed”. They weren’t running around nude, screaming having to be chained because of their abnormal strength. I wrote a blog entry about my experience to hopefully deter people from engaging in these workshops. Nothing good came out of this experience for me, only confusion, and confusion is from the devil. saynotodeliverenceministries.blogspot.com/
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I have been a Catholic all my life, attended Catholic Schools thru University level, but have heard relatively little about Prophecy in the modern Catholic Church. I know there must be a body of Catholic knowledge out there somewhere. I have just begum to search Catholic sources. There is a book written by a modern non-Catholic source, Graham Cooke. He established the first modern school of prophecy in England and is considered an expert on the subject among evangelical circles. I have read several books by this man and what he presents is very Biblical, rational, loving and good. There is nothing wierd about what he presents.
I was interested because I am a life long student of the bible, a daily reader and student most of my adult 68 years. St Paul (Catholic and writer of the largest portion of the Catholic New Testament) stated that prophecy is the most useful and should be the most highly sought after of the spiritual gifts. This alone makes it an interesting and valid topic for study. Why do we see and hear so little about prophecy in the Church? If anyone can answer, please do. I am sure that I have just not found a good Catholic source. If anyone else feels they are in my same boat, I recommend a book by Graham Cooke Titled: Prophetic Wisdom. I have read it twice and it took me over 3 months to get through it each time. Please let me know if anyone else out there is interested in or has info for my query. Thanks. Bob Martin
I was interested because I am a life long student of the bible, a daily reader and student most of my adult 68 years. St Paul (Catholic and writer of the largest portion of the Catholic New Testament) stated that prophecy is the most useful and should be the most highly sought after of the spiritual gifts. This alone makes it an interesting and valid topic for study. Why do we see and hear so little about prophecy in the Church? If anyone can answer, please do. I am sure that I have just not found a good Catholic source. If anyone else feels they are in my same boat, I recommend a book by Graham Cooke Titled: Prophetic Wisdom. I have read it twice and it took me over 3 months to get through it each time. Please let me know if anyone else out there is interested in or has info for my query. Thanks. Bob Martin
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BobbyJack1968
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I have known Mr. Case since last October when I encountered him at 2 different Parish Missions in Colorado. I have since been to a number of prayer meetings and healing services with this gentleman. FYI, I am one of the most orthodox Catholics that you will meet. In all of my encounters, my ears were wide open for anything that looked, felt, or smelled of a non-Catholic or anti-Vatican slant. Absolutely none. I have witnessed real healings of real health issues by Jesus Christ with Mr. Case as the conduit (all he has ever claimed to be that I have heard). These healings were on college educated, professional individuals. Mr. Case IS a charismatic and does not claim otherwise. For people who do not understand the charismatic movement in the Church, which has been validated by the Vatican, the meetings/gatherings/missions can be confusing and a little intimidating. St. Paul spoke in tongues, the disciples spoke in tongues, it’s not a new thing. Regarding “words of prophecy,” once again, I have never head Mr. Case speak anything that wasn’t rooted in Scripture. I will tell you that while a number of people at my Parish (where he packed in 800 a night for 5 nights) were a little taken back by his straightforward manner, many more came away with a yearning to dive deeper into their faith and relationship with Christ.
I for one, am encouraged to see an individual that is unafraid to preach the truth forcefully, versus the Catholic “lite” that we usually get from the pulpit. Here is a quote from Mr. Case to ponder, “Christianity is not about trying harder, it’s not the self-improvement religion, it IS about the total surrendering of your will and your life to Jesus Christ.” I don’t think you can find much fault in that.
I for one, am encouraged to see an individual that is unafraid to preach the truth forcefully, versus the Catholic “lite” that we usually get from the pulpit. Here is a quote from Mr. Case to ponder, “Christianity is not about trying harder, it’s not the self-improvement religion, it IS about the total surrendering of your will and your life to Jesus Christ.” I don’t think you can find much fault in that.
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haastiin
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@ Bob who wrote:
*Why do we see and hear so little about prophecy in the Church? If anyone can answer, please do. I am sure that I have just not found a good Catholic source. If anyone else feels they are in my same boat, I recommend a book by Graham Cooke Titled: Prophetic Wisdom. I have read it twice and it took me over 3 months to get through it each time. Please let me know if anyone else out there is interested in or has info for my query. Thanks. Bob Martin *
Bob, I think it’s because we don’t really understand what prophesy is - or at least what it is supposed to be. Many “modern-thinking” people think prophesy is “predicting the future” like Sidney Omarr or Jeanne Dixon, or even Nostradamus and other so-called seers. True Prophesy is inspired by the Holy Spirit and is a message from God through a person. “Thus says the Lord God” is a typical expression associated with prophesy. In fact, I recommend visiting Brendan’s site at brendancase.com/Hearing_the_Voice_of_God_3.html so you can listen to and read about hearing God speak. There is an excellent section on prophesy there.
Prophesy tends to be kind of spooky-sounding if you think of the bony finger of some soothsayer pointing your direction and saying “The end of the world is near.” Prophesy is a message from God and sometimes predicts future events, but mostly prophesy informs us of Gods actions, intentions, and expectations so that we can realign our hearts and minds to his will. Prophesy is indeed a wonderful spiritual gift and worthy of the effort to seek it’s presence. At times it can occur unexpectedly and very sporadically, but when it happens, there is no mistaking it, no faking it, and no making it go away. False prophesy, on the other hand, is always in error, always artificial, and never lasting. It is the kind of prophesy we know best because it is everywhere. False prophesy is one of the foe’s principal tools; the father of lies preys on our fears as well as on our good intentions, so tricking us into believing that we had discovered hidden meaning in some declaration is right up his alley. But a false prophet has to really work on getting his declaration out. A true prophet does not.
The Hebrew word for prophesy is naba which captures the way prophesy works. It is a bubbling up of God’s word. Like bubbles in an effervescent beverage or bubbles released from under the floor of the sea, the prophesy bubbles up unstoppable as the word of God is given a voice and the voice is human. What that human voice says is whatever God directs, and one can no more stop it than one can force a bubble back into the medium from which it comes. It is a joyous feeling when a prophesy bubbles up like that. Once you feel it you will never forget it and always want it back. Since it is a gift of the Spirit, you can’t buy it, barter for it, or build it out of things you’ve got. God creates it in you when he needs it. He chooses who, where, when, why, what, how, and for how long prophesy receives that particular human voice - and woe be unto the prophet who claims the prophecy as personal! It is of God if it is true. If it is not true, it will be discerned as a lie by “testing it against the Spirit” as Paul told us.
I agree that more should be taught from the pulpit about prophesy. It’s hard to do that in the typical 8-12 minute Catholic Homily we hear on Sundays, so when you get someone who can spend 2-4 hours every night for a week talking about it - and actually demonstrating it as well, that is truly something worth experiencing. Brendan - with others like Nick Villalobos and Companions of the Holy Spirit - make that accessible. They help people understand the gifts that are available if only we are open to receiving them. I believe we would have many more true prophets if only more of us would believe that God actually prompts all of us at one time or another to be his messenger, to give a human voice to his message. That’s all a prophet is - a physical instrument for a metaphysical message.
@BobbyJack - Right you are. There is no deception, no personalization of the glory that belongs to God, and no getting around the fact that sometimes an unorthodox experience is not only a novelty but also a direct and in-your-face confrontation with a type of orthodoxy we don’t see often enough. Jesus was very Jewish, but what he said and did was very radical - so radical that it perfected and completed the Law and the Prophets venerated by Jews for thousands of years. So many times as Jesus spoke, his listeners said, “Where does this guy get this stuff? How can what he’s saying is true?” Jesus response was, “I’m not saying this on my own. I only say what the Father tells me and only do what I see him doing.” When another human who is 100% human and radically disposed to welcome being an instrument of Christ’s Peace shows up to rattle our cages a bit, perhaps God is calling us to slip out of our comfort zone long enough to hear him whisper “I love you.”
*Why do we see and hear so little about prophecy in the Church? If anyone can answer, please do. I am sure that I have just not found a good Catholic source. If anyone else feels they are in my same boat, I recommend a book by Graham Cooke Titled: Prophetic Wisdom. I have read it twice and it took me over 3 months to get through it each time. Please let me know if anyone else out there is interested in or has info for my query. Thanks. Bob Martin *
Bob, I think it’s because we don’t really understand what prophesy is - or at least what it is supposed to be. Many “modern-thinking” people think prophesy is “predicting the future” like Sidney Omarr or Jeanne Dixon, or even Nostradamus and other so-called seers. True Prophesy is inspired by the Holy Spirit and is a message from God through a person. “Thus says the Lord God” is a typical expression associated with prophesy. In fact, I recommend visiting Brendan’s site at brendancase.com/Hearing_the_Voice_of_God_3.html so you can listen to and read about hearing God speak. There is an excellent section on prophesy there.
Prophesy tends to be kind of spooky-sounding if you think of the bony finger of some soothsayer pointing your direction and saying “The end of the world is near.” Prophesy is a message from God and sometimes predicts future events, but mostly prophesy informs us of Gods actions, intentions, and expectations so that we can realign our hearts and minds to his will. Prophesy is indeed a wonderful spiritual gift and worthy of the effort to seek it’s presence. At times it can occur unexpectedly and very sporadically, but when it happens, there is no mistaking it, no faking it, and no making it go away. False prophesy, on the other hand, is always in error, always artificial, and never lasting. It is the kind of prophesy we know best because it is everywhere. False prophesy is one of the foe’s principal tools; the father of lies preys on our fears as well as on our good intentions, so tricking us into believing that we had discovered hidden meaning in some declaration is right up his alley. But a false prophet has to really work on getting his declaration out. A true prophet does not.
The Hebrew word for prophesy is naba which captures the way prophesy works. It is a bubbling up of God’s word. Like bubbles in an effervescent beverage or bubbles released from under the floor of the sea, the prophesy bubbles up unstoppable as the word of God is given a voice and the voice is human. What that human voice says is whatever God directs, and one can no more stop it than one can force a bubble back into the medium from which it comes. It is a joyous feeling when a prophesy bubbles up like that. Once you feel it you will never forget it and always want it back. Since it is a gift of the Spirit, you can’t buy it, barter for it, or build it out of things you’ve got. God creates it in you when he needs it. He chooses who, where, when, why, what, how, and for how long prophesy receives that particular human voice - and woe be unto the prophet who claims the prophecy as personal! It is of God if it is true. If it is not true, it will be discerned as a lie by “testing it against the Spirit” as Paul told us.
I agree that more should be taught from the pulpit about prophesy. It’s hard to do that in the typical 8-12 minute Catholic Homily we hear on Sundays, so when you get someone who can spend 2-4 hours every night for a week talking about it - and actually demonstrating it as well, that is truly something worth experiencing. Brendan - with others like Nick Villalobos and Companions of the Holy Spirit - make that accessible. They help people understand the gifts that are available if only we are open to receiving them. I believe we would have many more true prophets if only more of us would believe that God actually prompts all of us at one time or another to be his messenger, to give a human voice to his message. That’s all a prophet is - a physical instrument for a metaphysical message.
@BobbyJack - Right you are. There is no deception, no personalization of the glory that belongs to God, and no getting around the fact that sometimes an unorthodox experience is not only a novelty but also a direct and in-your-face confrontation with a type of orthodoxy we don’t see often enough. Jesus was very Jewish, but what he said and did was very radical - so radical that it perfected and completed the Law and the Prophets venerated by Jews for thousands of years. So many times as Jesus spoke, his listeners said, “Where does this guy get this stuff? How can what he’s saying is true?” Jesus response was, “I’m not saying this on my own. I only say what the Father tells me and only do what I see him doing.” When another human who is 100% human and radically disposed to welcome being an instrument of Christ’s Peace shows up to rattle our cages a bit, perhaps God is calling us to slip out of our comfort zone long enough to hear him whisper “I love you.”
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fred_conty
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My understanding of prophecy in the church is what John the Baptist was. St. John the Baptist didn’t predict future events which is one use of prophecy. But he was a prophet in the sense that he led people to God, and namely, Jesus. He was a prophet in the sense that he was a spiritual man leading people to God thru words and example and life. He was a man appointed and chosen by God to do this. And people went out to hear him speak for direction to follow.
This is what Brendan seems to be, a man who is talking about God and directing people to God and doing his will. And if he is able to do other “wonderous” things, prophets in the old testiment did do some unusual things once in a while. But this is not the main work of prophecy.
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This is what Brendan seems to be, a man who is talking about God and directing people to God and doing his will. And if he is able to do other “wonderous” things, prophets in the old testiment did do some unusual things once in a while. But this is not the main work of prophecy.
Just a thought.
"I the Lord am with you, always by your side. Come and take my hand for I will lead you home.(hymn)
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Richca
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I don’t know how many prophecies you have received but the one above from Mr Case has nothing bad in it, so that’s good. I do not see that you should do anything with it except talk to a good spiritual director about it. Whether or not the prophecy from Mr Case comes from the Lord can be very difficult to judge which is why it is good to speak to a spiritual director about it. We have to be very careful about visions, prophecies and the like because the devil can transform himself into an angel of light. St John of the Cross writes alot about private revelations and for the most part if I’m not mistaken says to ignore them. I believe he once said, “if you see a vision, run from it.”
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haastiin
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@ fred conty - - Gold Star for that comment :thankyou: and 
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bob_martin
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In the Acts of the Apostles and in many of the Epistles of Paul, there is ample evidence of the use of Prophecy as word of guidance and/or encouragement from the Holy Spirit for personal and ministry guidance of an individual. The scriptures warn us to test every spirit, and I know of common usage of this spiritual gift where everyone knows that you never get one prophetic word then run off to become a missionary in Africa. If you get the same truth from several trusted prophetic sources, and usually confirmation from other sources, you can begin to take the direction seriously. This would usually include your own prayer life.
While he is not Catholic, I very much trust teaching on the topic from Graham Cooke, who is considered an expert in the field by many. He has had some formal contact with some Catholic bishops which I have heard were friendly and respectful on both sides. I don’t know if his teachings have been subject to any formal scrutiny, but I have read him extensively. I am no theologian, but I was educated in Catholic schools through college level and have read and studied Scripture all my life (I am 68). I have read the works of many where a misinterpretation or the stretching of the truth to make a point will give me a “check in my spirit”. I felt very comfortable with practically all of Graham’s work. His recent book “Prophetic Wisdom” I think is excellent. If anyone cares to read the book and discuss it with me, I will be available on this thread.
While he is not Catholic, I very much trust teaching on the topic from Graham Cooke, who is considered an expert in the field by many. He has had some formal contact with some Catholic bishops which I have heard were friendly and respectful on both sides. I don’t know if his teachings have been subject to any formal scrutiny, but I have read him extensively. I am no theologian, but I was educated in Catholic schools through college level and have read and studied Scripture all my life (I am 68). I have read the works of many where a misinterpretation or the stretching of the truth to make a point will give me a “check in my spirit”. I felt very comfortable with practically all of Graham’s work. His recent book “Prophetic Wisdom” I think is excellent. If anyone cares to read the book and discuss it with me, I will be available on this thread.
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