Modern "Folk" like mass?

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A “Youth Mass” where guitars etc. would be an appropriate place for the teens and young adults to wear jeans etc. At this kind of Mass setting, the priest could talk about the sacredness of Mass, and why it is important not to distract your fellow Mass goer (with spaghetti straps and hot pants for example). The Youth Mass would be the appropriate time to “teach” the youth.

Again, I think that there needs to be what used to be called a “High Mass” as well as the Youth Mass. At the High Mass it should be expected that people would dress appropriately to worship their King and Creator. That the music would lift us up to heaven in a solemn yet joyful manner. It should be “expected” that at this Mass people dress up. The pastor has to set these expectations.

My humble opinion.
 
But, they ARE at Mass, aren’t they? Perhaps a bit more decorum would be nice, but how far do you push them before you push them away? Are we to bring others to Christ and the Church with charity, or are we to brow-beat them until they meet our standards or leave?
I’d prefer if going to Mass didn’t become a near occasion to sin, and the way some women and girls dress, that’s kind of difficult, especially in the summer. That’s one reason, I think, why I try not to take notice of the other people who are at Mass with me, because I don’t want to be distracted to begin with, and I really don’t want to be distracted with sexual thoughts.

If people aren’t willing to make “superficial” changes in their lives (i.e. dressing modestly for Mass), why would they be willing to make the radical changes in their lives required by Jesus in the Gospel?

Sometimes people were pushed away from Jesus because of things he said or required of them (like the rich young man, and the disciples who couldn’t accept the Bread of Life discourse).
 
You’ve got a point there. When girls wear miniskirts and spaghetti tops to Mass and boys wear ripped jeans and logo/slogan t-shirts to Mass, electric guitars, drum sets, and synthesizers seem “suitable” and “fitting for the dignity” of the community party.
God is more concerned about where their hearts are than what their style of dress and what instruments are used.

God would prefer this over a well dressed-classical music-perfect conformity to the rubrics-congregation of hypocritical snobs.

Jim
 
God is more concerned about where their hearts are than what their style of dress and what instruments are used.
I’m more concerned about where their hearts are, too, not where their breasts are. Immodest dress is inappropriate in a church.
God would prefer this over a well dressed-classical music-perfect conformity to the rubrics-congregation of hypocritical snobs.
Tell you what: you work on their immodest dress and I’ll work on my hypocritical snobbery.
 
who ever said chant is proper to the Mass was right in The RM all the prayers have the plain song to them and by plain song I mean gregorian chant in the back there is even the text for the NO Mass in Latin 🙂
 
God would prefer this over a well dressed-classical music-perfect conformity to the rubrics-congregation of hypocritical snobs.

Jim
Perhaps a better way of putting it is that God the Creator of the Universe, the Ultimate Desire of our being, the Great Lover and Judge, who is in reality right in front of everyone at Mass, should be loved, adored and thanked with every aspect of our selves…

So how does thinking so little about what happens at Mass and about Who we are going to see that we are willing to come to Mass in flip-flops and short-shorts… jive with this reality? 🤷
 
I’m more concerned about where their hearts are, too, not where their breasts are. Immodest dress is inappropriate in a church.

Tell you what: you work on their immodest dress and I’ll work on my hypocritical snobbery.
Why don’t we just work on ourselves? 🙂

Jim
 
So how does thinking so little about what happens at Mass and about Who we are going to see that we are willing to come to Mass in flip-flops and short-shorts… jive with this reality? 🤷
You’re able to know what people think, what’s inside their hearts?

Jim
 
Why don’t we just work on ourselves?
Because the Church is a corporate body, the Mystical Body of Christ. Because I am my brother’s keeper. Because it’s not just about Jesus ‘n’ me. Because I do not wish to commit a sin of omission by keeping silent. Because I love other people.
 
I’d prefer if going to Mass didn’t become a near occasion to sin, and the way some women and girls dress, that’s kind of difficult, especially in the summer.
Reminds me of an incident about 20 years ago, before sexual harrassment lawsuits were the order of the day. I had a female employee who was rather “blessed”, and she didn’t mind showing it off…daily.

One day I brought a hand towel to my office. When she came in for something a day or two later, leaving little to the imagination, I tossed the towel to her and said “could you cover those up so I can concentrate on our discussion?”

Her work attire changed dramatically after that, ane we were able to laugh about it later.

The post that commented about “what was in our hearts not our breasts” was a good one. Maybe a little “encouragement” rather than judgemental disdain would go a long way. 😉
 
Because the Church is a corporate body, the Mystical Body of Christ. Because I am my brother’s keeper. Because it’s not just about Jesus ‘n’ me. Because I do not wish to commit a sin of omission by keeping silent. Because I love other people.
You were not put into a position of authority to regulate the behavior of others, but thats the job of the magestarium, the Bishop, the pastor of the parish and the priest saying the Mass.

Futher, the sin of ommision is when there is serious sin is being commited and you take no action to stop it.

In the case of some one dressing in manor that you deem inappropriate as described in this thread, is not sin and therefore, none of your business.

Hope this helps. 🙂

Jim
 
God is more concerned about where their hearts are than what their style of dress and what instruments are used.
I’m not omniscient, to know what God would prefer, although I think we all have assumed it, including myself. I know my opinion fluctuates a little on this, but since the subject was brought up again, I’ve given it a little more thought. 🙂

For me, ultimately, even though I probably will never truly know what God is really desiring of us when attending mass, it’s giving God our personal best in all things, or at least trying to give our best. To not do so, for me, would make me feel like I’d be insulting Him who had blessed my life. I know the level I’m capable of with my own talents. I will not give only half of it when showing my love for God or worshipping Him. If I only give a half-hearted attempt with my talents, perhaps the people wouldn’t know, but I know that God would know.

That’s how I feel about sacred music. If the parish is truly giving the highest and best of their talents, then there isn’t much more to ask for. But if the parish/pastor totally ignored the best in talents of the parish and made a concious choice to only use and employ less-than-stellar talent to pander to one’s tastes or other people’s tastes or to influence the younger parishioners, I think there is a problem. My generation was subjected to that and many of us have in a way, “suffered”, because of it. Catholictrain brought up a good point with the use of a “High Mass”. In my diocese, at least, I’ve been seeing more of these masses, usually at their 11:00 or 10:30 masses. My parish has been doing it for years and years.

In terms of clothing, if I have clothing in my closet which would be perfect for a garden party, nice dinner, or an afternoon wedding, I will choose my skirt and blouse over my comfortable jeans and t-shirt. Why? For me, it’s because that would be my personal best and thanks to God - the respect and awe and honour I have for Him. It has nothing to do with what other people would think - at least for me anyway, as I have always been an oddball and marched to the beat of a different drummer, as my mother would say.

At the same time, I will not judge those who dress in jeans and t-shirts. I don’t know what they’re thinking. I’ve attended mass at my little country, farming parish where I spent half my childhood. The people there aren’t well-off. They all wear clean clothes, but for some, their best is their cleanest pair of jeans and a button-down shirt.

Of course, I’ve encountered those who are just very lacksidasical about getting dressed for mass too, and those where you wonder where their mother or father was when the teenage girl came out of her bedroom on a Sunday morning.
God would prefer this over a well dressed-classical music-perfect conformity to the rubrics-congregation of hypocritical snobs.
Come now - I’ve known and worked with just as many hypocritical “reverse snobs”, some even rather vehement on the other end of the spectrum as well. 😛 And actually, the majority on BOTH sides can be and are rather loving and good people - just with different ideas. So let’s not stereotype. 😉 I always use my grandmother as an example. She was what some people would consider “blue collar”. She always had an “idea” of what the Fine Arts were like and the people who took pleasure in it, and without really getting to know the people or those arts made up a stereotype of those people. That was until her granddaughter (me) got into it and she began to attend my recitals, concerts, operas, etc. and started meeting the people within my “circle”. She realized that most of us were just average, down-to-earth, and sometime odd-ball people. Of course there are some divas or snobs, but they aren’t in the abundance that some people would have them out to be. And now, she loves what she can with it inside and outside of mass.
 
The post that commented about “what was in our hearts not our breasts” was a good one. Maybe a little “encouragement” rather than judgemental disdain would go a long way. 😉
I’d have to tread VERY carefully. I’m 26. Most of the girls I see dressed immodestly are teenagers who I don’t know personally. Any advice you can give on how to go about getting the message across peacefully (to the girls or their parents) would be appreciated.
 
God is more concerned about where their hearts are than what their style of dress and what instruments are used.

God would prefer this over a well dressed-classical music-perfect conformity to the rubrics-congregation of hypocritical snobs.

Jim
Casual dress = casual attitude

How one dresses in public (and that includes mass) says a lot about that person’s attitude. Try showing up for work dressed for the beach, and your boss will most likely tell you to go home and change. But why? You can perform your job in beach attire. Or so you think. Chances are you would perform your duties lackadaisically, and your boss knows it.

A lot of young people these days seem to be fashion-challenged. That is why some public high schools have gone to requiring uniforms.

And young peoples fashion sense (or lack of it) is not dictated by financial resources. How many of them go around dressed like hobos but have bluetooth cell phones and ipods and a late model SUV? Besides that, a somewhat decent looking suit from a thrift store costs less than a sweatshirt from Aeropostale.

I have noticed that masses where a lot of people are dressed too casually (including some who are middle aged), these same people seem to have a very cavalier attitude toward the holy sacrifice of the mass.
 
You were not put into a position of authority to regulate the behavior of others, but thats the job of the magestarium, the Bishop, the pastor of the parish and the priest saying the Mass.
I never said I wished to be in “a position of authority to regulate the behavior of others”. Non-confrontational as I am, I really wish someone else would mention their immodest attire to them and encourage them to dress more appropriately, so that I don’t have to.

I have mentioned that I see many girls dressed immodestly at Mass. I am trying to defend the practice of wearing modest (or at least appropriate) attire to church: clothing that doesn’t reveal underwear or cleavage or thighs, etc. I’d rather not have lustful thoughts when I see women at Mass… it’s not conducive to prayer and it’s not the reason I’m there.

See the Catechism #2514-2533 about modesty (among other things).
Futher, the sin of ommision is when there is serious sin is being commited and you take no action to stop it. In the case of some one dressing in manor that you deem inappropriate as described in this thread, is not sin and therefore, none of your business.
Well then, can you tell me whether immodest attire in the house of God is serious enough? Or the sexual thoughts that entire my head when I see some of these women dressed like this?

You first mention that I do not have the authority to regulate attire. You then state, matter-of-factly, that immodest dress in church is “not sin” and “none of [my] business”. That’s a relief, because I always thought immodesty was a sin against the virtues of purity and chastity.
Hope this helps.
No, Jim, to be quite honest, it doesn’t help.
 
Casual dress = casual attitude

How one dresses in public (and that includes mass) says a lot about that person’s attitude. Try showing up for work dressed for the beach, and your boss will most likely tell you to go home and change. But why? You can perform your job in beach attire. Or so you think. Chances are you would perform your duties lackadaisically, and your boss knows it.

A lot of young people these days seem to be fashion-challenged. That is why some public high schools have gone to requiring uniforms.

And young peoples fashion sense (or lack of it) is not dictated by financial resources. How many of them go around dressed like hobos but have bluetooth cell phones and ipods and a late model SUV? Besides that, a somewhat decent looking suit from a thrift store costs less than a sweatshirt from Aeropostale.

I have noticed that masses where a lot of people are dressed too casually (including some who are middle aged), these same people seem to have a very cavalier attitude toward the holy sacrifice of the mass.
And I’m tired of these same people saying “Jesus doesn’t care how I dress for mass.” Translation: “**I **don’t care how I dress for mass.” Might want to read Matthew chapter 22 and find out what happened to the wedding guest who was inappropriately dressed in verses 11-13.

The Roman soldiers wouldn’t have cast lots over Jesus’ garments if He went around dressed in 1st Centrury rags. And I also doubt if He would have been able to captivate an audience of 5,000 if He dressed shabbily.

Take a look at the presidental campaign. Sens. Obama and McCain are always impeccably dressed. I’m sure either one of them would kill their chances for election if they started campaigning in T-shirts, ripped jeans and flip-flops
 
You’re able to know what people think, what’s inside their hearts?

Jim
Perhaps you are right, I am making a judgement that I should not. This day and age I guess many folks do not feel the need to dress up for anyone… even someone they admire. Therefore they do not even think twice about wearing flip-flops or tank tops to church.
However, in my opinion… we, as a society, have lost something when there is no reason to dress up anymore…
 
Perhaps you are right, I am making a judgement that I should not. This day and age I guess many folks do not feel the need to dress up for anyone… even someone they admire. Therefore they do not even think twice about wearing flip-flops or tank tops to church.
However, in my opinion… we, as a society, have lost something when there is no reason to dress up anymore…
Or have we simply gained something else, while forgetting another…
 
I don’t think my point so much is the style of our dress … but the fact that we “dress in special clothing” for special occassions. One of the things that saddens me is that general “blandness” of our secular culture that removes the need to dress special for anything. One of the great things about being Catholic is that there are so many Holidays… (Holy Days) for which we can celebrate. I like to encourage others to make life special by really getting into some of these Holy Days. Certainly I am talking about Christmas and Easter, but also I am talking about your favorite saint’s day… and Pentecost and the Feast of Mary our Queen and the Feast of St. Joseph and Corpus Christi and… well you get my picture.
 
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