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Should we tolerate this music to be played, or listened to by our youth?
99% of all modern music, promotes violence, sex, drug and alcohol abuse, and wild parties.

What should we as catholic’s do, to protect our world, how can you play your role?
Why does families today accept this kind of music in our homes?

All answer contributions are happily accepted, share your point of view
 
99% of all modern music, promotes violence, sex, drug and alcohol abuse, and wild parties.
I don’t know about 99%, but I do think that pop culture in general is very corrosive to the formation of spirituality in children. There is a ‘gateway drug’ effect. The same entertainers that produce vulgar and sexual music and movies guest star on children’s shows. Carnality breeds consumption, and those who pull the strings in the pop industry know this, in fact they bank on it.

I have some experience here. I am very close to a Christian family that goes to church on Sundays, professes to believe in the Bible, but in terms of that what they watch and listen to, is no different from any secular family. How have the children turned out? Just as one would expect!

On the other hand, my sister and her husband have made a great effort to raise their children apart from the ways of the world. They children are not sheltered, as such, but they have always been taught that we are to be in the world, but not of the world. Everything they have done has been with a view to the spiritual welfare of their kids, and they are careful about the kinds of entertainment they allow into their home. How have the children turned out? Just as one would expect!
 
Don’t listen to the radio, and if you do, listen to a christian radio program, or listen to a CD/music in the car that at the very least doesn’t contain any negative media.

I also try not to watch much on TV besides sports, news, and the history channel because so much of it is biased and attempts to conform us into everything other than Christian. Almost everything you watch now its becoming more pro-homosexual, along with every other anti-christian agenda. Music is no exception, if you have free time, look up the lyrics on google to some of the most popular songs. Some of the most popular artists who sing horrible things about sex, violence, etc. have sold their souls to the devil without a doubt.
 
I don’t know about 99%, but I do think that pop culture in general is very corrosive to the formation of spirituality in children. There is a ‘gateway drug’ effect. The same entertainers that produce vulgar and sexual music and movies guest star on children’s shows. Carnality breeds consumption, and those who pull the strings in the pop industry know this, in fact they bank on it.

I have some experience here. I am very close to a Christian family that goes to church on Sundays, professes to believe in the Bible, but in terms of that what they watch and listen to, is no different from any secular family. How have the children turned out? Just as one would expect!

On the other hand, my sister and her husband have made a great effort to raise their children apart from the ways of the world. They children are not sheltered, as such, but they have always been taught that we are to be in the world, but not of the world. Everything they have done has been with a view to the spiritual welfare of their kids, and they are careful about the kinds of entertainment they allow into their home. How have the children turned out? Just as one would expect!
What do you actually mean, by as one would expect?
Also, are u saying, that all children would be the same, doesn’t matter of their background? Maybe its the influence of other children as well rite?
Don’t listen to the radio, and if you do, listen to a christian radio program, or listen to a CD/music in the car that at the very least doesn’t contain any negative media.

I also try not to watch much on TV besides sports, news, and the history channel because so much of it is biased and attempts to conform us into everything other than Christian. Almost everything you watch now its becoming more pro-homosexual, along with every other anti-christian agenda. Music is no exception, if you have free time, look up the lyrics on google to some of the most popular songs. Some of the most popular artists who sing horrible things about sex, violence, etc. have sold their souls to the devil without a doubt.
If every christian family would practise this basic concept, I think our faith would be atleast 50% stronger in the world 👍
 
I’ve taken a somewhat different approach, and it seems to be working well for my own six children, now ages 14-25.

When I grew up, my parents not only sheltered me from “evil,” but they totally kept “adult issues” away from me. I had a few issues with a couple teachers, but once I told them, they worked them with the principal and teachers without my further intervention or even knowledge. Some of this I never even knew until my dad died 9 years ago, when I was age 43, and Mom told me of them. Dad was even parish treasurer, and I was such a math whiz and able to keep others’ privacy that one year when I was about 12 he let me add up the parish records for each family’s financial contributions. What I didn’t know until after he died, was that he discovered Fr. Burke kept a separate set of books for himself, which painted a different picture than the books that Dad prepared for the dioceses. For example, he paid his housekeeper and certain other expenses with cash from the collection plate, so it wouldn’t be subject to the 10% diocesan “contribution.”

This approach helped me focus on my academics, in which I totally excelled. I did best in math, and in seventh grade I actually came in second place in Chicago archdiocese with 420 schools. The only question I got wrong, ironically, was that I didn’t know those two vertical bars meant “absolute value.” I knew what absolute value was, I just didn’t know the symbol for it until right after the final competition at Holy Name Cathedral downtown.

The problem was, when I got out “into the world” on my own and started encountering “actual” problems, I was blindsided. First oblivious, then incredulous, then near despair at how to take care of these things without Mom and Dad guiding me the way they could have while I still lived at home.

For the most part, I followed in my parents’ footsteps at clearing the way for my kids to focus on “what matters most” and refusing to pay any attention to “evil” until that approach began to backfire. Everything was sunshine and roses, until I woke up to “the call” from the police at the Juvenile detention center, at 2:30 in the morning. I went to pick him up, and on the way home learned a great deal. This had been building up for months. Although he had kept it all from me, he knew he could trust me with the truth when I promised he would not get into trouble for telling me the truth. Yes, I learned a great deal. You think I’d have gotten the message when a couple times he didn’t come home for a whole night, but he always had some story that made sense, and I accepted it and went on about my business.

What to do? I knew preaching, grounding, and punishment would all be ineffective at best.

A friend and coworker whose age was half way between my own age and my kids, offered some help … but it repulsed me at first. He played me a soundtrack from South Park which was so vile to me that I literally covered my ears. Then he told me I needed to wake up and find out what’s going on with kids these days and quit hiding my head in the sand. He introduced me to Eminem, and explained what kids’ music these days talk about and why. When it comes right down to it, kids’ music wasn’t too different in nature, if in style, from when I was in college… rebellion, feelings of being put down or misunderstood, boy/girl issues, lack of control, self-identity, poverty, etc.

Then it hit me like a ton of bricks. The Good Shepherd LEAVES HIS FLOCK to go after His sheep. I asked him to introduce me to his friends, and he was proud to do so. I went some of the places he had been, and he told me stories that made my curly hair straighten. We came to have an excellent relationship that set the stage for improved relations with even the other, “less troubled” children. He was proud to bring his friends to our house instead of always meeting them at theirs while their single parents worked night shift, or other places. I used to be a telephone counselor on the Youth Crisis Hotline, and I coached him about how to help his friends – which was easy because he had such worldly wisdom compared to me at any age – through problems ranging from abusive step-parents to suicidal wishes to hard drug addiction. One friend who is now clean and has a nice family credits him with helping him kick a heroin habit. He is now doing well, is back in school, and is getting straight A’s in his college courses in a technical major.

If I had tried to call my sheep back from my righteous position, or tried to threaten them or punish them into coming back, they would never have done so. I had to “walk with them” and learn and gain their trust, or they would have really had no reason to hear me out at all. I think there is definitely and advantage to listening to at least some of what the kids are listening to and getting their perspective on it. The “real” Good Shepherd never hesitated to “get his hands dirty” or to commune with sinners; much the opposite.

Alan
 
What do you actually mean, by as one would expect?
Also, are u saying, that all children would be the same, doesn’t matter of their background? Maybe its the influence of other children as well rite?
Sorry, I didn’t mean to be vague. The children’s attitudes and behavior reflect the environment and values with which they are raised. It probably helps that my sister’s children are home-schooled.
 
I’ve taken a somewhat different approach, and it seems to be working well for my own six children, now ages 14-25.

When I grew up, my parents not only sheltered me from “evil,” but they totally kept “adult issues” away from me. I had a few issues with a couple teachers, but once I told them, they worked them with the principal and teachers without my further intervention or even knowledge. Some of this I never even knew until my dad died 9 years ago, when I was age 43, and Mom told me of them. Dad was even parish treasurer, and I was such a math whiz and able to keep others’ privacy that one year when I was about 12 he let me add up the parish records for each family’s financial contributions. What I didn’t know until after he died, was that he discovered Fr. Burke kept a separate set of books for himself, which painted a different picture than the books that Dad prepared for the dioceses. For example, he paid his housekeeper and certain other expenses with cash from the collection plate, so it wouldn’t be subject to the 10% diocesan “contribution.”

This approach helped me focus on my academics, in which I totally excelled. I did best in math, and in seventh grade I actually came in second place in Chicago archdiocese with 420 schools. The only question I got wrong, ironically, was that I didn’t know those two vertical bars meant “absolute value.” I knew what absolute value was, I just didn’t know the symbol for it until right after the final competition at Holy Name Cathedral downtown.

The problem was, when I got out “into the world” on my own and started encountering “actual” problems, I was blindsided. First oblivious, then incredulous, then near despair at how to take care of these things without Mom and Dad guiding me the way they could have while I still lived at home.

For the most part, I followed in my parents’ footsteps at clearing the way for my kids to focus on “what matters most” and refusing to pay any attention to “evil” until that approach began to backfire. Everything was sunshine and roses, until I woke up to “the call” from the police at the Juvenile detention center, at 2:30 in the morning. I went to pick him up, and on the way home learned a great deal. This had been building up for months. Although he had kept it all from me, he knew he could trust me with the truth when I promised he would not get into trouble for telling me the truth. Yes, I learned a great deal. You think I’d have gotten the message when a couple times he didn’t come home for a whole night, but he always had some story that made sense, and I accepted it and went on about my business.

What to do? I knew preaching, grounding, and punishment would all be ineffective at best.

A friend and coworker whose age was half way between my own age and my kids, offered some help … but it repulsed me at first. He played me a soundtrack from South Park which was so vile to me that I literally covered my ears. Then he told me I needed to wake up and find out what’s going on with kids these days and quit hiding my head in the sand. He introduced me to Eminem, and explained what kids’ music these days talk about and why. When it comes right down to it, kids’ music wasn’t too different in nature, if in style, from when I was in college… rebellion, feelings of being put down or misunderstood, boy/girl issues, lack of control, self-identity, poverty, etc.

Then it hit me like a ton of bricks. The Good Shepherd LEAVES HIS FLOCK to go after His sheep. I asked him to introduce me to his friends, and he was proud to do so. I went some of the places he had been, and he told me stories that made my curly hair straighten. We came to have an excellent relationship that set the stage for improved relations with even the other, “less troubled” children. He was proud to bring his friends to our house instead of always meeting them at theirs while their single parents worked night shift, or other places. I used to be a telephone counselor on the Youth Crisis Hotline, and I coached him about how to help his friends – which was easy because he had such worldly wisdom compared to me at any age – through problems ranging from abusive step-parents to suicidal wishes to hard drug addiction. One friend who is now clean and has a nice family credits him with helping him kick a heroin habit. He is now doing well, is back in school, and is getting straight A’s in his college courses in a technical major.

If I had tried to call my sheep back from my righteous position, or tried to threaten them or punish them into coming back, they would never have done so. I had to “walk with them” and learn and gain their trust, or they would have really had no reason to hear me out at all. I think there is definitely and advantage to listening to at least some of what the kids are listening to and getting their perspective on it. The “real” Good Shepherd never hesitated to “get his hands dirty” or to commune with sinners; much the opposite.

Alan
👍 WOW! thoughtfully written. A True Parent goes all out to protect their Family members.

I’m immeasurably thankful to my own Catholic parents. They helped me greatly even when I stirred off course from the Narrow Path.

Peace
Chris
 
I’ve taken a somewhat different approach, and it seems to be working well for my own six children, now ages 14-25.

Alan
👍 Thank you for sharing your story
Sorry, I didn’t mean to be vague. The children’s attitudes and behavior reflect the environment and values with which they are raised. It probably helps that my sister’s children are home-schooled.
School, I would say, is where most children are exposed to dangerous in life 🙂
 
I’m afraid you might be making a grave generalization. How do you even define ‘modern pop music’?

Sorry but making sweeping generalizations on certain types of music won’t make sense unless you’ve heard them all, as in every, single, piece from around the world (and that’s just for one genre).
 
I’m afraid you might be making a grave generalization. How do you even define ‘modern pop music’?

Sorry but making sweeping generalizations on certain types of music won’t make sense unless you’ve heard them all, as in every, single, piece from around the world (and that’s just for one genre).
Well mostly all?? Give me one song that’s not about love, sex, party, alcohol or drugs:)
 
Don’t listen to the radio, and if you do, listen to a christian radio program, or listen to a CD/music in the car that at the very least doesn’t contain any negative media.

I also try not to watch much on TV besides sports, news, and the history channel because so much of it is biased and attempts to conform us into everything other than Christian. Almost everything you watch now its becoming more pro-homosexual, along with every other anti-christian agenda. Music is no exception, if you have free time, look up the lyrics on google to some of the most popular songs. Some of the most popular artists who sing horrible things about sex, violence, etc. have sold their souls to the devil without a doubt.
I disagree. You are wanting to almost withdraw from reality. There is nothing wrong with pop music and by the way it is NOT a sin to listen to it.
 
Should we tolerate this music to be played, or listened to by our youth?
99% of all modern music, promotes violence, sex, drug and alcohol abuse, and wild parties.
Do you have a source for this 99% statistic? :confused:

I just downloaded the new Bangles and Bush albums last week, don’t hear anything on them promoting “violence, sex, drugs, and alcohol abuse.” Listened to the new Blink 182, Feist, Lady Antebellum, Wilco albums, and the new Tony Bennett duets album (which is currently #1 in the U.S.): nope, nothing in those lyrics, either (though Blink 182 drop a few f-bombs). So, where does this 99% figure come from? 60-75% at best, certainly not 99% - that’s hyperbole.
 
Well mostly all?? Give me one song that’s not about love, sex, party, alcohol or drugs:)
“So Cold” - Breaking Benjamin

This one isn’t, and its written by a pretty popular band. I could quote more songs from secular rock bands that don’t actually talk about sex, violence, partying, or drugs. While they do have songs that do talk about those things, often they are searching for a way out of that lifestyle. An example would be “Be Free” by Papa Roach. Its not the cleanest song, but it talks about how he wants to be free from this painful life. It shows that he is looking for a way out (I’ll bet all my money that he is looking in the wrong places) but at least he is looking.

As for this song, I went to Totus Tuus this past July. After I went to Reconciliation, I went to adoration, and the last line of the chorus kept repeating itself in my head. I realized that instead of me repeating it, Jesus kept telling me, “That’s alright, let’s give this another try!”

As for “pop” music I have no idea. I absolutely hate pretty much all secular pop/rap/hip hop stuff, so I wouldn’t be the best person to ask.
60-75% at best, certainly not 99% - that’s hyperbole.
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Should we tolerate this music to be played, or listened to by our youth?
99% of all modern music, promotes violence, sex, drug and alcohol abuse, and wild parties.

What should we as catholic’s do, to protect our world, how can you play your role?
Why does families today accept this kind of music in our homes?

All answer contributions are happily accepted, share your point of view
AMEN BROTHER!!!

The Church doesn’t need any music from modern times.

The Church doesn’t need modernity. Pope Benedict XVI, along with every successive Pope has condemned secularism and modernism.

In fact, the INFAMOUS and WIDELY READ blog operated by Father Z. Just had a post about the oath against modernism. It is an oath which every Catholic priest makes.

It is high time that we realized that music affects the way we think. If I listen to Gregorian Chant all day, I am more likely to see modernism as an enemy of the Church. In the same way that St. Pope Pius X did in not one, but TWO Papal Encyclicals.

If we listen to modern music, will we be more or less likely to be enemies of the heresy of modernism? Without a doubt the only answer is less likely.
 
What is the cutoff date for when music is no longer to be considered any good? 1600? 1800? 1900? 1950? 2003?

I personally dislike much of the “new” orchestra, piano, and organ music that certain “intellectual” musicians come up with. It’s cacophonous and often has no discernible melody. But that doesn’t mean it’s “no good.”

I play music at church, all the way from ancient hymns to “modern” hymns. If I think the selections are stupid, or for that matter unfamiliar and hard for my 8 AM congregation to sing, I change them … but not on the basis of the year they were written.
 
An excellent question, to which end may I offer Roger Scruton’s essay Yoofanasia (the link is only a preview, with pages missing) from his book An Intelligent Person’s Guide to Modern Culture. I highly recommend the book. I don’t agree with everything in it but it is often insightful, and entertaining.
Hmm… the definition seems kinda slanted. I need something more basic and neutral like the type of instruments used. For instance, one would usually associate classical music with violins, flutes, and perhaps piano. Rock music on the other hand uses basic drums, electric guitar, bass etc. Rap mainly uses fast lyrics, turntables etc.

So I ask again, anybody got anything that I can, I don’t know, identify with? 🤷:ehh:
 
Hmm… the definition seems kinda slanted. I need something more basic and neutral like the type of instruments used. For instance, one would usually associate classical music with violins, flutes, and perhaps piano. Rock music on the other hand uses basic drums, electric guitar, bass etc. Rap mainly uses fast lyrics, turntables etc.

So I ask again, anybody got anything that I can, I don’t know, identify with? 🤷:ehh:
I agree with you that one cannot find a distinction that makes sense.

So-called “Contemporary Christian Music” has many different flavors and levels of truth. Same way with other genres. I even noticed once when I was trying to learn a little bit about rap music, that one song in particular has lyrics that have somewhat of a Christian message – it uses foul language, but if I paraphrase it into the vernacular it makes the following points. The only reason I was even interested is that one was used as background music in a movie my Algebra students suggested I watch called Office Space:

Here, if I extract the rap-eze from it, are the messages I take from it. (I’ve left out a couple of the “more troublesome” points but these make up the bulk of it.)

“D*mn it feels good to be a gangsta” by Geto Boys, selected, distilled, and paraphrased by moi: (If you’re offended by foul language, DO NOT look up the lyrics for yourself. I’ve included the “song” name only so people can verify I’m not just making it all up.)

1.) It feels good to be a “real person.”
2.) A RP uses wise strategy.
3.) A RP does not go around bragging.
4.) A RP does not start fights.
5.) A RP doesn’t have to show off because he is self-confident.
6.) A RP has peace of mind because they are not shallow thinkers.
7.) A RP feeds the poor and helps out with their bills.
8.) RP’s come in all shapes and colors, and some have been killed.
9.) “This” RP is a smart one, and started living for the Lord and I’ll last.
10.) A RP attracts smart women.

(verse 3 I’m not sure I understand even with online slang dictionaries. lol)

Verse 4 is about how they think the world might look from the President’s point of view:
11.) I occasionally make deals with mafia, and owe them favors.
12.) Favors such as letting drug shipments get through, then we can take legal action against the poor who buy it, and keep making the voters happy to reelect me, and I promise to “take you very far.”
13.) Other worlds leaders had better not upset me or I’ll send a million troops to die at war.
14.) To all you who elected me I sincerely thank you because not the world is in my “hands” and “d*mn it feel good to be a gangsta.”

Call me crazy, but I seem to be able to find Christian messages almost everywhere I look, even in places others think are disgusting. Maybe I would make a good “dumpster diver.” 😉

Alan
 
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