Once we let married couples enjoy the act of intercourse without fear of pregnancy, then men will finally be free to use women for sexual pleasure with no burdensome consequences like children or having to get a job to support a family.Since we did away with slavery and other such atrocities in the OT, why not go a step further and let married couples enjoy the act of intercourse without the fear of pregnancy? I realize first in order to do that, the stigma of sexual pleasure must be removed.
Sexual pleasure in and of itself is not stigmatized, just when it is sought for its own sake while removing any associated aspects, like the possibility of conception.Since we did away with slavery and other such atrocities in the OT, why not go a step further and let married couples enjoy the act of intercourse without the fear of pregnancy? I realize first in order to do that, the stigma of sexual pleasure must be removed.
Rent their wives out to other men? You are presuming that the wives in this case are mute and unable to think. How do you make the connection between a couple using a sponge or foam barrier/condom to someone renting out their wife? You also presume that only men enjoy sex. That is completely false.Once we let married couples enjoy the act of intercourse without fear of pregnancy, then men will finally be free to use women for sexual pleasure with no burdensome consequences like children or having to get a job to support a family.
The next obvious step would be for husbands to rent their wives out to other men, since sex is for pleasure and children are not an issue.
That’s so much better than the atrocity of slavery, don’t you think?
I know the doctrine. I just don’t see anything wrong with removing pregnancy from the equation. Call me a rebel or just another fool but that’s my story and I am sticking to it.Sexual pleasure in and of itself is not stigmatized, just when it is sought for its own sake while removing any associated aspects, like the possibility of conception.
If you read Humanae Vitae, maybe you will understand better that if we do as you suggest, we would just be trading one evil for another evil.
Eating was common in past times as well. So was working. Shall we do away with those as well? If the only link is that it “was common in past times”…therefore we should do away with it, then there is no reason to also not make a case for abolishing that act of eating or working.Sex for procreation was common in past times. So was slavery. We ended one of those so why not the other?
There isn’t any stigma associated with sexual pleasure of married couples.Since we did away with slavery and other such atrocities in the OT, why not go a step further and let married couples enjoy the act of intercourse without the fear of pregnancy? I realize first in order to do that, the stigma of sexual pleasure must be removed.
As I recall, there was never a stigma about sexual pleasure. But after the Sexual Revolution of 1968, people were told they were to only consider the icing on the cake important, not the cake. Pleasure was the only goal. Married? Not married? Multiple partners? Doesn’t matter, as long as you’re having lots of orgasms.Since we did away with slavery and other such atrocities in the OT, why not go a step further and let married couples enjoy the act of intercourse without the fear of pregnancy? I realize first in order to do that, the stigma of sexual pleasure must be removed.
First, i must ask if you have read the encyclical, or just listened to lots of people talking about sex and contraception?I know the doctrine. I just don’t see anything wrong with removing pregnancy from the equation. Call me a rebel or just another fool but that’s my story and I am sticking to it.
Can you prove that Jesus Christ said any of this? You can’t.How about enjoying the marital embrace and looking upon pregancy as a gift from God, a great blessing.
How about being obedient to the teaching of the Church established by Jesus Christ in order to go to heaven for eternity and avoid that other rather unpleasant place.
Times like this…convince me that being an agnostic is the right choice…critical thinking skills- let’s think this out step by step. The OP had to be trusting that you all were capable of making the inferences that only the bad things in ancient times would need to be done away with. Eating and working are vital to our survival. Abstaining from sex for pleasure was certainly not vital nor even good the way I see it.Eating was common in past times as well. So was working. Shall we do away with those as well? If the only link is that it “was common in past times”…therefore we should do away with it, then there is no reason to also not make a case for abolishing that act of eating or working.
Is there perhaps another way in which the “fear of pregnancy” and “slavery and other such atrocities in the OT” are related that would make a logical argument?
Where do you get that the OP fears babies? I happen to agree with the OP that it is a sort of female slavery to make women unable to contracept…and therefore have to accept whatever nature gives. She told me about this post and I decided to check it out and it even required me getting an account as I wanted to reply to this goofy stuff that I see.There isn’t any stigma associated with sexual pleasure of married couples.
Society has stigmatized babies though. Now they are something to be feared, not a blessing.
How about changing the thought that baby = atrocity equivalent to slavery?
I get that part…that some people treat sex like brushing your teeth or seeing a movie. Don’t let the few who feel that way affect those of us who are more sentimental about it. We all have choices to make.As I recall, there was never a stigma about sexual pleasure. But after the Sexual Revolution of 1968, people were told they were to only consider the icing on the cake important, not the cake. Pleasure was the only goal. Married? Not married? Multiple partners? Doesn’t matter, as long as you’re having lots of orgasms.
Fear of pregnancy? That’s how the manufacturers of The Pill needed to market it, or they couldn’t sell product. Just like a lot of TV ads tell you if you don’t drive this or wear this or do this then there’s something lacking in your lives.
Watch a TV show today. Two attractive couples have sex, and the next day, refer to the encounter as “just sex,” like going to the bathroom.
Time magazine cover story dated April 7, 1967:
time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,843551,00.html
Freedom from fear at the top of the page. Fear of what? That you can bring new life into the world? A bundle of joy. A gift from God.
Some of us have been brainwashed to believe that without this pill or device or voluntary sterilization – we can’t control ourselves. We just can’t do it.
I was born in the mid-1950s. The average number of kids in my neighborhood was two. The Pill was not approved by the FDA until 1960.
Peace,
Ed
I’m sure my friend the OP read all the documents. She is highly intelligent and I question why she has religion…that’s a story for another day.First, i must ask if you have read the encyclical, or just listened to lots of people talking about sex and contraception?
And secondly, God has given us the great privilege of working with Him in the creation of new human life. Using contraception on a personal level violates this gift He gives us, and on a social level really messes up society, which is not too surprising. It’s kind of like buying a car and saying, well, i don’t see why I should check things and change the oil and stuff like that–it’s boring to follow those rules.
I take it that you know the OP personally.I’m sure my friend the OP read all the documents. She is highly intelligent and I question why she has religion…that’s a story for another day.
Not each individual is ruining the world with contraception, but the acceptance of contraception by society has opened the doors to slackening the restrictions on sexual activity, which has led to a great deal of abuse.I don’t see how we are ruining the world. Be freakin happy that you live in the good ole USA where you can practice any nonsense you want and not have to lay your life down for it. My friend merely questions things that others take as gospel.
God created the world and us and gave us “instruction manuals” in the form of His teachings. When we ignore His teachings, it is like ignoring the instruction manual which comes with your car.How in the world is contracepting comparable to not changing the oil on a car?