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Both of those options are more attractive than the photo the OP posted.You guys are so funny.
Both of those options are more attractive than the photo the OP posted.You guys are so funny.
I actually really like the look of those, minus the headscarf. I’m quite fair, but I love to swim, so it’s always a challenge to keep from burning. I like that it’s fitted, so you can still easily swim in the water without a loose tshirt, or silly skirt, but your skin is covered to keep from burning.Is this modest enough for you?
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It would be nice if I were able to just wear whatever and not care what other people think/see and just say, ‘hey its not my fault they are lustful’. However, part of being modest is *acknowledging *that others have sexual weaknesses. Therefore dressing modestly is to act charitable towards these people, as we do not want to draw attention and cause unnecessary temptation that is an occasion of sin for them. To a certain degree by us not dressing appropriately we are accountable for that, so it is best to just dress properly.I’m sure you can find plenty of bikinis that are like crop tops on top and shorts on bottom. The more important question is why do you think you should be the one to blame if some men are lustful. My husband doesn’t perve at other women on the beach - he only looks at me. Just wear something comfortable and that isn’t OTT, and you’ll be fine. If some man is a pervert that is not your fault.
This is probably good for sun protection as well. Especially if you want to swim a lot. I wonder where you would buy this? Thanks.Is this modest enough for you?
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It’s a burkini. burqini.com/This is probably good for sun protection as well. Especially if you want to swim a lot. I wonder where you would buy this? Thanks.
To me that way of thinking sails a bit too close to the blaming the victim mentality. If I got raped after walking down a dark street, then the rapist would be to blame for his disgusting lust, and not me. Whereas if I was to believe that I could influence his sexuality, then I would blame myself for walking down the dark alley.*It would be nice if I were able to just wear whatever and not care what other people think/see and just say, ‘hey its not my fault they are lustful’. However, part of being modest is *acknowledging *that others have sexual weaknesses. Therefore dressing modestly is to act charitable towards these people, as we do not want to draw attention and cause unnecessary temptation that is an occasion of sin for them. To a certain degree by us not dressing appropriately we are accountable for that, so it is best to just dress properly.
P.S. It is always nice to hear of good men out there like your husband! My husband is the same way, but they are so few and far between to have good chaste men out there![]()
Instead of concerning myself with extreme hypothetical situations like people being raped in dark alleyways, I try to consider the fact that exposing the more intimate parts of my body might just make men (and their wives) uncomfortable. I know I don’t like strange men’s business thrust into my face. Really, I don’t like women’s stuff in my face either and it hasn’t anything to do with them causing me to lust. It just makes me feel uncomfortable to be seeing stuff that one should keep to one’s self.To me that way of thinking sails a bit too close to the blaming the victim mentality. If I got raped after walking down a dark street, then the rapist would be to blame for his disgusting lust, and not me. Whereas if I was to believe that I could influence his sexuality, then I would blame myself for walking down the dark alley.*
I just feel like women should celebrate their bodies, and that those burkinis are an assault to all women’s right to be free. I am not talking about wearing a low cup top or short shorts, but say something nice like a tankini: s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/Hanesbrands/OHP_25126_RetroPrintNavy_is?wid=257. I thank God I live in a free country, and not one of those ones where women are not allowed show their God given shape because some men cannot control themselves.
- I wouldn’t walk down a dark alley BTW, but if I did so and I were raped, then the rapist would be to blame and not me.
I am so thankful to live in a free country too. Perhaps it would be more celebratory of that freedom to respect the comfort of some women who choose to wear swimwear that covers more of their body than is typical, than to dictate that they should “celebrate their body” and judge that a choice to wear long sleeve/long pant swimwear is an assault on freedom. I will cover as much of my body as I CHOOSE (which is less covered than a burkini, but more covered than the tankini/shorts set you linked to), and it will be because I think it looks better that way and provides better protection against the sun. I will encourage someone else to cover as much as they choose, if it is because they feel more modest that way (even if their modesty standards are different than mine). Odds are, those of us who cover more than typical are going to take a fair amount of heat for it - where’s the celebration of freedom in that? I don’t find it feminist at all, or loving of my body at all, for someone to pressure me into wearing less than I am comfortable wearing.I just feel like women should celebrate their bodies, and that those burkinis are an assault to all women’s right to be free. I am not talking about wearing a low cup top or short shorts, but say something nice like a tankini: s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/Hanesbrands/OHP_25126_RetroPrintNavy_is?wid=257. I thank God I live in a free country…
Maybe some people can’t stand higher standards.I am disappointed at the harsh reaction to the bathing suit shown in the OP. So it’s not everyone’s cup of tea - big deal. It isn’t any worse looking than plenty of other things we see on the beach every day. In particular, anyone who doesn’t want women to be judged for wearing non-covering bathing suits, certainly shouldn’t judge women for making the opposite choice. I have gone to the beach wearing a suit that most people would consider “Amish” (as my dh and I joke), and I am self conscious about it, because I know how much people judge. But I chose to wear that suit anyway, because I firmly believe it was the best of the options available to me. Frankly, it ticks me off that I would be judged for it, especially by people who generally share my values. I have never picked on someone for wearing swimwear that I thought was too skimpy. Why should someone be picked on for covering more than average? Since it is wrong to criticize women who wear short skirts in dark alleys (because of course, assault is never the fault of the victim), then why is it that when women make a choice to cover more, they STILL end up having to defend their choices and their reasons? Ugh.
A one piece swimsuit is objectively better for swimming.I’m of the camp where I don’t mind wearing a bikini, albeit a well fitting, not strappy/skimpy one, for swimming in the summer. I am very conservative with how I dress but I really feel that a well fitting bikini is just a type of swimwear that when used for swimming/laying out in the sun isn’t immodest. I feel that it becomes immodest when one uses it to show off their body and struts around trying to make a statement. I wear bikinis in the summer when I swim and then cover up more when I’m on the beach (because of my pale Irish skin) just hanging out. I only go to the beach with friends and family and my husband so I don’t need or want to show off for anyone!
I’m sure people will disagree, but I really feel that people on this website are quick to judge on this matter.
It’s not just this website and it’s not just this matter.I’m sure people will disagree, but I really feel that people on this website are quick to judge on this matter.
Opinion. I was a competitive swimmer for years and don’t see a difference.A one piece swimsuit is objectively better for swimming.
It’s my opinion too. I bought a two piece last year and I never will again. I spent half my time in it adjusting everything. It’s even hard when you are trying to do it with a babe in arms. It’s a completely modest two-piece and it fits well when I’m dry and still but as soon as you try to actually swim in it, it’s moving all over the place. No thanks.Opinion. I was a competitive swimmer for years and don’t see a difference.
It’s my opinion too. I bought a two piece last year and I never will again. I spent half my time in it adjusting everything. It’s even harder when you are trying to do it with a babe in arms. It’s a completely modest two-piece and it fits well when I’m dry and still but as soon as you try to actually swim in it, it’s moving all over the place. No thanks.Opinion. I was a competitive swimmer for years and don’t see a difference.
Yes, but there is a massive difference between someone wearing a low cut bikini with skimpy bottoms, and someone wearing a tankini.Instead of concerning myself with extreme hypothetical situations like people being raped in dark alleyways, I try to consider the fact that exposing the more intimate parts of my body might just make men (and their wives) uncomfortable. I know I don’t like strange men’s business thrust into my face. Really, I don’t like women’s stuff in my face either and it hasn’t anything to do with them causing me to lust. It just makes me feel uncomfortable to be seeing stuff that one should keep to one’s self.
It’s not about picking on someone for choosing to wear longer swimwear. It’s just that I think it is very, very sad when women feel they must/have to cover everything up just because some men are creepy or because the women is religious. I’ve also spent a lot of time in Arab countries where the men stroll around in t-shirts and women have to wear those dreadful burqas, and I just don’t like any type of covering up that veers towards that type of thing. In those countries, they basically believe that men cannot control their sexual passion so women must cover up. Whereas I am glad to be Catholic, as the Catholic Church recognises that both men AND women are responsible for their own sexuality.I am so thankful to live in a free country too. Perhaps it would be more celebratory of that freedom to respect the comfort of some women who choose to wear swimwear that covers more of their body than is typical, than to dictate that they should “celebrate their body” and judge that a choice to wear long sleeve/long pant swimwear is an assault on freedom. I will cover as much of my body as I CHOOSE (which is less covered than a burkini, but more covered than the tankini/shorts set you linked to), and it will be because I think it looks better that way and provides better protection against the sun. I will encourage someone else to cover as much as they choose, if it is because they feel more modest that way (even if their modesty standards are different than mine). Odds are, those of us who cover more than typical are going to take a fair amount of heat for it - where’s the celebration of freedom in that? I don’t find it feminist at all, or loving of my body at all, for someone to pressure me into wearing less than I am comfortable wearing.
I am disappointed at the harsh reaction to the bathing suit shown in the OP. So it’s not everyone’s cup of tea - big deal. It isn’t any worse looking than plenty of other things we see on the beach every day. In particular, anyone who doesn’t want women to be judged for wearing non-covering bathing suits, certainly shouldn’t judge women for making the opposite choice. I have gone to the beach wearing a suit that most people would consider “Amish” (as my dh and I joke), and I am self conscious about it, because I know how much people judge. But I chose to wear that suit anyway, because I firmly believe it was the best of the options available to me. Frankly, it ticks me off that I would be judged for it, especially by people who generally share my values. I have never picked on someone for wearing swimwear that I thought was too skimpy. Why should someone be picked on for covering more than average? Since it is wrong to criticize women who wear short skirts in dark alleys (because of course, assault is never the fault of the victim), then why is it that when women make a choice to cover more, they STILL end up having to defend their choices and their reasons? Ugh.
That’s a subjective opinion. Some ppl would see burkinis as sad and inappropriate.Maybe some people can’t stand higher standards.
Not only men have to practice custody of the eyes, women need to be careful with what they are wearing (and practice custody of the eyes too). These are basics of catholic modesty. In these kind of topics I have seen the attitude of people trying to justify showing more skin, or having contempt for Catholic standards of modesty, be it by appyling feminist reasoning, or trying to follow secular trends or justifications, etc. We are supposed to be above that. The muslim examples of burqas, etc, are somewhat of a red herring.Now obviously, going to a strip club would tempt most people, but I firmly believe that swimsuits and regular bikinis are perfectly acceptable. Some men are just sexually inappropriate no matter what. For example, I was in a shopping mall yesterday and some man with his wife and 2 kids was very obviously checking me out and looking me up and down. Yet I was wearing a black polo neck, a dress over that, leggings, ankle boots and a jacket. The only bit of skin showing was my neck, face and hands. So my point is, it’s the man that is at fault, not the woman who is just minding her business in a regular swimsuit or bikini.
That’s a subjective opinion. Some ppl would see burkinis as sad and inappropriate.
Why do women have to be careful of what they are wearing? Again I am not talking about swimwear that exposes the breasts, buttocks or genitals. I’ve never heard Pope Francis or any other clergyperson denounce swimwear. As I said, the Catholic Church does not tell women what to wear, so I don’t see why women should cover themselves in heavy garments, unless they desire to for their own comfort, which is a totally different thing.Not only men have to practice custody of the eyes, women need to be careful with what they are wearing (and practice custody of the eyes too). These are basics of catholic modesty. In these kind of topics I have seen the attitude of people trying to justify showing more skin, or having contempt for Catholic standards of modesty, be it by appyling feminist reasoning, or trying to follow secular trends or justifications, etc. We are supposed to be above that. The muslim examples of burqas, etc, are somewhat of a red herring.
P.S. I don’t think bikinis are appropiated. Being near a body of water makes wearing underwear-like clothings suddenly appropiated?
Because people has to be careful about not inciting lust on others, both men and women. Is very simple to understand. There are various writings on modesty, even by Popes.Why do women have to be careful of what they are wearing? Again I am not talking about swimwear that exposes the breasts, buttocks or genitals. I’ve never heard Pope Francis or any other clergyperson denounce swimwear. As I said, the Catholic Church does not tell women what to wear, so I don’t see why women should cover themselves in heavy garments, unless they desire to for their own comfort, which is a totally different thing.
“The good of our soul is more important than that of our body; and we have to prefer the spiritual welfare of our neighbor to our bodily comforts. If a certain kind of dress constitutes a grave and proximate occasion of sin, and endangers the salvation of your soul and others, it is your duty to give it up. O Christian mothers, if you knew what a future of anxieties and perils, of ill-guarded shame you prepare for your sons and daughters, imprudently getting them accustomed to live scantily dressed and making them lose the sense of modesty, you would be ashamed of yourselves and you would dread the harm you are making of yourselves, the harm which you are causing these children, whom Heaven has entrusted to you to be brought up as Christians.”
And from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:Pius XII to Catholic Young Women’s Groups of Italy
2521 Purity requires modesty, an integral part of temperance. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person. It means refusing to unveil what should remain hidden. It is ordered to chastity to whose sensitivity it bears witness. It guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.
2522 Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one’s choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet.
A principle related to modesty, custody of the eyes, and custody of the heart:2523 There is a modesty of the feelings as well as of the body. It protests, for example, against the voyeuristic explorations of the human body in certain advertisements, or against the solicitations of certain media that go too far in the exhibition of intimate things. Modesty inspires a way of life which makes it possible to resist the allurements of fashion and the pressures of prevailing ideologies.
“But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (St. Mat. 5.28)