Modesty for women and men

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I am having a gathering for girls and would like to know some “quick facts” on modesty in dress, behaviour, speech etc for women and men so I can print out for the girls.
can anyone point me in the right direction to get these facts? I really like what Jason Evert talks has to say and how he tackles the topic, but I can only find mostly videos, and the writings I can find are very long and hard to summarise in quick facts. It needs to be in point form (small paragraphs ok) as time is limited.
items:
what is modesty?
why dress modestly?
how dressing modestly plays a big part in behaving modestly and remaining pure
how we have to not only dress modestly to protect ourselves but also our brothers and sisters
what clothes is considered modest for women?
what clothes is considered modest for men?
facts on how visual men are, scientific and medical proofs (jason evert has these on talks)
etc, etc, etc

any help would be greatly appreciated.
God bless
Is this a gathering for adults only and are those in attendance you consider to be friends? Do those coming know what you are going to be addressing? If all of you are adults and friends, you cold be putting your friendship on the line if all of a sudden you get on your high horse and lecture adults on how they should and shouldn’t dress.
 
There ISN"T one. I challenge you to find an official, STILL TAUGHT and officially enforced and upheld list of what someone can and cannot wear.

And btw, stop being a hypocrit like everyone else on here, being all OH HURR DURR I DIDN"T SAY THAAT!

STANDARDS FOR MARYLIKE DRESS AS SET. DOWN. BY. THE. VATICAN>

Set down.

By the vatican.

YOU DUMB ****
Goodness!, I believe the one who posted that message you quoted is male. I think he was only trying to help by finding a site he thought would answer the question of the original poster. I believe it was his best intentions. He did only write what was on the header then did put the link. I believe he truly just wanted to help.

-Nicki
 
Thank you for your response, I will definately not be using any of your advice. If I have no right to touch on the issue of modesty - when my opinion is that our bodies are sacred and we dress accordingly - then you most definately should not be throwing around your advice to kids to flaunt your sexuality.
Maybe you should do a little more research on the topic, jason evert or christopher west or jpII, before giving such advice.
I would definately want somebody to love me for what is inside of me, and i would never ever flaunt my sexuality (i assume you mean look sexy - albeit in a Godly way - if that can be done!!) to get someone to notice me.
You argue the same old point with your fancy new language - that people like me “are prudes”… You can say it which ever way you please, I will cover my body BECAUSE it is good, not because it is bad and should be hidden. God created me in His image and likeness, and therefore I will honour and protect my body (and my neighbour) from the sin of lust. I’m sorry but we DO NOT live an ideal world.
So maybe it is YOU who should be reported for your harmful advice. God forbid a young person hears this kind of rubbish, you will be held accountable for leading them down that path.
I truly hope you do some more research and educate yourself on the Theology of the Body and correct your ways, this is really sad. I am so sad from your advice.
May God bless you and show you the Truth
I think it’s great you want to cover your body and honor God. There is definetly a proper way for women and men to dress, to avoid lust. As much as a vehemately disagree with Isalm, I think they are on the right track with the garb of women, minus the burka. Although women know that revealing or sexy clothing attracts men, I don’t think they really know the level it effects them. A male is built to respond to the female body. When the least amount of clothes or extremely form fitting outfits are worn, men respond accordingly. Those types of cloths put a woman close to her “natural” state.

A man may not stumble due to your wise efforts but if they don’t stumble over you they will have enough of a challenge just walking out the door in the summertime. And it’s not just the summer cloths, it’s magazine ads with half dressed women, billboards, bus ads and the like. Of course most men control themselves but it’s a drain on them. A Christian women used to say to me when I was in my 20s, “it must be rough for you” . She was right, and it hasn’t changed that much in the late 40s.

Men and women are sexual beings. It is often our primary drive. That’s why I can’t believe it when some say cloths don’t matter. A heard about a study once that said 'religious" women are more 'responsive" (for lack of a better word) than promiscuous women (in the context of marriage). So, dressing modest is not necessarily an indication of prudeness, it’s just classy and common sense.
 
I think it’s great you want to cover your body and honor God. There is definetly a proper way for women and men to dress, to avoid lust. As much as a vehemately disagree with Isalm, I think they are on the right track with the garb of women, minus the burka. Although women know that revealing or sexy clothing attracts men, I don’t think they really know the level it effects them. A male is built to respond to the female body. When the least amount of clothes or extremely form fitting outfits are worn, men respond accordingly. Those types of cloths put a woman close to her “natural” state.

A man may not stumble due to your wise efforts but if they don’t stumble over you they will have enough of a challenge just walking out the door in the summertime. And it’s not just the summer cloths, it’s magazine ads with half dressed women, billboards, bus ads and the like. Of course most men control themselves but it’s a drain on them. A Christian women used to say to me when I was in my 20s, “it must be rough for you” . She was right, and it hasn’t changed that much in the late 40s.

Men and women are sexual beings. It is often our primary drive. That’s why I can’t believe it when some say cloths don’t matter. A heard about a study once that said 'religious" women are more 'responsive" (for lack of a better word) than promiscuous women (in the context of marriage). So, dressing modest is not necessarily an indication of prudeness, it’s just classy and common sense.
Amazing! Well said! 👍 soft pornography on billboards and tv take a toll on men and young children. Having to always tell our children to turn around or not watch that show is difficult. Then to have them walk outside and see it on a bus, or on the mall windows. I agree with you on the whole islam thing too, not only them but the amish too.

-Nicki
 
Welcome, TwoTurtles! What a wonderful question!

May I ask, what is the exact occasion you’re planning?

I’m sorry, I didn’t see what the occasion was or may have missed that.

**In general, I think of modesty as always choosing not to attract undue negative attention to oneself by clothing or outward appearance, but instead to keep in mind what is appropriate for the occasion. **👋

Do you recall that photo op several years ago when a number of very nice young ladies from a high school sports team showed up at the Bush White House on a hot summer day, many wearing nice dresses but also very basic, (almost flip flop) sandals?

The nearly- bare feet caused quite a split down the country. Some were on the side of the nearly bare foot look and others from the Old School were horrified!:eek:

Many asked “Where on earth were their mothers?”***:nun1:

Some asked, well, what if they showed up in the basketball/or soccer shorts and sneakers? Why would that not be appropriate?* I wondered where the White House Liaison was when she booked them to come.* Perhaps she assumed that footwear would not cause such a stir. She could have made some suggestions in advance. Compared to the way most young people were dressing at the time, I thought they looked lovely, despite the shoes. It was, after all, a hot day.

We live in a day when people seem not to care a whit what one wears; to Mass, to go shopping, to meet new people etc. Strangely, even the worst hoodlums seem to dress decently for their court appearances. People always seem to put their best foot forward at a job interview. What does that tell us? For whom are we dressing? What do our choices say about us? I think how we present ourselves speaks volumes about our inner selves.:angel1:

Some of the present generation will laugh when I tell them how young ladies used to take an extra shower, change clothes, re-do their makeup and dress up quite a bit just to go with their father to pick up someone from the airport. One might see a lady at the A & P (that’s a grocery store chain) sporting white gloves and a hat, and our brothers were expected to don a suit and tie for such an occasion. Certainly for Mass, we wore whatever was our best, appropriate church attire.:highprayer:

I think it is so refreshing when anyone even asks about modesty and appropriate dress, etc. In my humble opinion, I would say that what matters most are the following;

***What is the occasion and what will the activities include? ***

***Will we need to bring a change of clothes?

Where is the event? (Fox hunt in Virginia or a BBQ at Uncle Ted’s in Jersey?

What choices do I have?***

If it’s a beach party, well, there* are *going to be bathing suits, aren’t there? But even here, there are one- pieces and there are eensy weensie suits and bikinis.
There are swim trunks and there are those dreadful Speedos (that are fine for official swim team events but perhaps not so fine if our Great Aunt Pitty Patt is hosting a sea side brunch for us. We wouldn’t want her, or her friends, to faint would we? :frighten:

If I were a young lady at a beach or pool event, I might have a nice cover -up along and definitely a change of clothing and some towels.
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Is there a dress code at the event?**

Is there a guest being honored? Who is it?*** (Aunt Pitty Pat’s favorite grand niece from a convent boarding school, The local Bishop, or royalty?

If I am deciding on the dress code, all of the above are good questions.

We ladies shouldn’t have to dress in floor length maxis, but neither should we wear tube tops and micro minis in public, and certainly not at Mass. Find a nice medium.

We should stand out not for the flamboyant clothes on our backs or Heaven forbid, scary, Goth nails or black lipstick, but for our friendly spirits and consideration for others.

In general, dressing nicely for the occasion/event and choosing to “err” on the side of modesty versus being in any way flamboyant, should work best.

Outside of Halloween or slumber parties,I hope we can all think about how we present ourselves, (God’s beloved children,) in a way that causes ease, not distress or gossip.

It’s sad to see that many people choose to appear everywhere in clothing that, in another bygone era, were considered suitable only for cleaning out the garage.
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Oh, I am wistful for the days when we did not judge the person BY their clothes, because no matter what we had on, there was a social contract and an understanding that most folks were doing their best to simply look nice.*

We did not judge a young fellow by his car nor his lack of one. . Some of the nicest people :knight1:I have known have walked their way around university campuses, not sped around in fancy cars. Their aristocracy was of the mind, never in fancy vehicles or a flamboyant wardrobe.

My own father was so beautifully Lincoln-esque, a brilliant man from a midwestern farming family, whose later journalism career found him in the presence of presidents and military heroes. My mother knew a great man when she saw one, and she met him at the* beginning *of his career when he was struggling and quite humble in circumstances. She wasn’t about to let him get away.

It was often those in the most humble circumstances that always seemed so presentable. Most of us knew how to re-work a dress or jacket that was wearing out, and found creative ways to stretch our clothing allowance. But we did not purposely “dress down” until the 1970’s, when alas, the jeans came out for a decade and replaced the collegiate skirts and tailored look that, from time to time, seems to make a real comeback!

I hope this helps and appreciate the question very much!

Kathryn Ann:heaven:
This!
 
Amazing! Well said! 👍 soft pornography on billboards and tv take a toll on men and young children. Having to always tell our children to turn around or not watch that show is difficult. Then to have them walk outside and see it on a bus, or on the mall windows. I agree with you on the whole islam thing too, not only them but the amish too.

-Nicki
I’m sorry but as a woman I’m not willing to wear a drab and, frankly, unflattering dress or head scarf because it will trigger “sinful lust” in men.

I’m used to wearing unflattering uniforms as a paramedic and a member of the US military. Given the chance, I like to wear something tasteful and ALSO flattering to my figure because I’ve worked hard at it and I like hearing people say “hey, you look great!”

I just got through with my first pregnancy and, personally, I’m fairly excited that I’m back to my pre-pregnancy weight and can wear cute clothes again. It was frustrating wearing sweats and maternity clothes all the time.

In no way am I condoning trashy clothes worn by woman in public. But, there is a huge difference between trashy and flattering. I like to look good and I’ll never be willing to dress according to some rules created just for “modesties” sake.
 
I’m sorry but as a woman I’m not willing to wear a drab and, frankly, unflattering dress or head scarf because it will trigger “sinful lust” in men.

I’m used to wearing unflattering uniforms as a paramedic and a member of the US military. Given the chance, I like to wear something tasteful and ALSO flattering to my figure because I’ve worked hard at it and I like hearing people say “hey, you look great!”

I just got through with my first pregnancy and, personally, I’m fairly excited that I’m back to my pre-pregnancy weight and can wear cute clothes again. It was frustrating wearing sweats and maternity clothes all the time.

In no way am I condoning trashy clothes worn by woman in public. But, there is a huge difference between trashy and flattering. I like to look good and I’ll never be willing to dress according to some rules created just for “modesties” sake.
What is “flattering”? That’s a subjective word… Isn’t pretty and nice flattering? Obviously you can do whatever you want but I can’t understand why you need to show off your figure to anyone else but your husband. It’s not about me being old fashioned. I’ve actually painted the town red three times over, thats why I speak this way. Women and men have conformed to what this culture dictates.

Just look at most ads directed at women. I have a daughter and dont need her brainwashed into thinking her body is the key to success. As far as Islams clothes for women, the philosophy is, why do I need to appeal to another man if I have a husband I love. I also think, psychologically speaking, a man would really get to know a woman for her insides (which so many women claim they want) then for what she has on the outside. I did say you don’t need the burka (headress). We are too far gone to ever approach anything like that in this country, so don’t worry.

Do you think in Jesus’ day the women wore skin tight jeans and tight “robes”? “Fancy tight” robes may have been worn by prostitutes, not the average everyday woman. We have come to accept revealing clothes on women and men. None of what I’m saying is ever going to fly, it’s just my point of view and I feel it would develop better relationships for men and women than the garbage we now have.
 
What is “flattering”? That’s a subjective word… Isn’t pretty and nice flattering? Obviously you can do whatever you want but I can’t understand why you need to show off your figure to anyone else but your husband. It’s not about me being old fashioned. I’ve actually painted the town red three times over, thats why I speak this way. Women and men have conformed to what this culture dictates.

Just look at most ads directed at women. I have a daughter and dont need her brainwashed into thinking her body is the key to success. As far as Islams clothes for women, the philosophy is, why do I need to appeal to another man if I have a husband I love. I also think, psychologically speaking, a man would really get to know a woman for her insides (which so many women claim they want) then for what she has on the outside. I did say you don’t need the burka (headress). We are too far gone to ever approach anything like that in this country, so don’t worry.

Do you think in Jesus’ day the women wore skin tight jeans and tight “robes”? “Fancy tight” robes may have been worn by prostitutes, not the average everyday woman. We have come to accept revealing clothes on women and men. None of what I’m saying is ever going to fly, it’s just my point of view and I feel it would develop better relationships for men and women than the garbage we now have.
Yep I totally agree, this is my point as well.

I have stayed home since my first son 11 years ago. After 4 kidos you would think I would want so bad to dress up. I do but in a non lustful way. I don’t want men looking at me when they have a wife at home. It’s not fair to their wives that I have them lusting at me. And I already feel bad when my friends tell me they wish they where as skinny as me. I don’t want them feeling that way. People start to want to believe what tv tell us. I’ve already had to go through a lot, my husband used to watch r rated movies and wouldn’t turn away during sexual scenes. Because of it, I became unhappy that I was small chested because I felt that’s what he was looking at, but really why on earth should I feel that way? Obviously because it’s everywhere that that’s what men want. I am having a hard time accepting that I am a woman not a girl because of how small I am. So why would I want to walk around and make other women feel bad. Be happy though about your body that’s what God want’s from us but at the same time be careful to not hurt another woman because her husband/fiance/boyfriend is looking at you the wrong way because of the way your dressed. I don’t mean to walk around in sweats I didn’t even do that when I was pregnant. Since you had just had a baby I can understand the urge! plus you have the beautiful glow still I am sure 🙂 You can look beautiful but yet professional 🙂 …please do not think I am saying all this in a negative way. My personality is cheerful and bubbly and that’s exactly how I am typing 🙂 but of coarse over all no one is telling you how to dress it’s your choice, we just where talking about how cool it would be to be very modest like some religions are but that’s not going to happen as he said, because there really are only a handful of us that think this way.

-Nicki
 
I’m no judge and jury on modesty, but I’d like to tell you a short little story from my college days. Mind you, I’m in my mid-thirties…

I was at a bar with some friends on a Wednesday night. It was a local bar full of locals and college kids getting their fill of the five-dollar-all-you-can-drink Miller night.

I had on a pair of jeans, and what we called a home-made “hippie” shirt–nothing more than a piece of cloth in the front and halter strap around the neck with two straps holding it all together in the back. I always had my “grandpa” button up cardigan with me, as I loved those. I could pull this off, I had the body for it. So hey, why not right?

I took the cardigan off as the night continued, and while sitting at the bar the bartender (who I knew well at this time from frequenting the place) said to me “Hey, you should put your sweater back on”…

I looked at him funny, and said “Why, do I look bad, is something wrong?”

He replied “No, of course not, you look good! But men like a little bit of mystery.” 😉
 
What is “flattering”? That’s a subjective word… Isn’t pretty and nice flattering? Obviously you can do whatever you want but I can’t understand why you need to show off your figure to anyone else but your husband. It’s not about me being old fashioned. I’ve actually painted the town red three times over, thats why I speak this way. Women and men have conformed to what this culture dictates.

Just look at most ads directed at women. I have a daughter and dont need her brainwashed into thinking her body is the key to success. As far as Islams clothes for women, the philosophy is, why do I need to appeal to another man if I have a husband I love. I also think, psychologically speaking, a man would really get to know a woman for her insides (which so many women claim they want) then for what she has on the outside. I did say you don’t need the burka (headress). We are too far gone to ever approach anything like that in this country, so don’t worry.

Do you think in Jesus’ day the women wore skin tight jeans and tight “robes”? “Fancy tight” robes may have been worn by prostitutes, not the average everyday woman. We have come to accept revealing clothes on women and men. None of what I’m saying is ever going to fly, it’s just my point of view and I feel it would develop better relationships for men and women than the garbage we now have.
Subjectivity goes both ways. What is modest? You did bring it up, but the far end of the spectrum goes by way of Saudi Arabia or, God forbid, Afghanistan. I’ll be specific, I’m not going to be forced into a trash bag with a mesh window because society is afraid that I’ll show my ankle to a man other then my husband. What is “too far gone”? Should women be forced into anything because society is afraid they’ll see a knee or an ankle?

What is flattering? Well, I love my maxi dresses and floor length skirts as much as my skinny jeans with off the shoulder or tunic like tops. I love graphic tees and, yes, some of them are tight but they do get paired with a jacket if it’s chilly out. I think women’s business suits look fantastic and I would wear them if I worked in an office.

Western society was already forming when Rome was in power and it was Christianity that got the ball rolling when it came to the development of the civilized society. With it came the beginning of fashion as well. Sure, women in Jesus’ time wouldn’t wear anything tight but men wouldn’t wear slacks either. Are slacks on men considered immodest or do they just not count?

I think stressing over modest clothing is silly. Especially if women are solely responsible for what is considered modest or immodest. Men need to keep their libidos in check and examine their conscience without enslaving women into trash bags with mesh windows because they are afraid.

BTW, I consider myself a Catholic woman raising a Catholic family. I have a daughter as well, I’ll make the call as to what is okay to dress in and what is not. Personally, I’m more concerned about who she is as a person then whether she steps out of the house in skinny jeans or wears a bikini to the beach.
 
Thank you for your response, I will definately not be using any of your advice. If I have no right to touch on the issue of modesty - when my opinion is that our bodies are sacred and we dress accordingly - then you most definately should not be throwing around your advice to kids to flaunt your sexuality.
Maybe you should do a little more research on the topic, jason evert or christopher west or jpII, before giving such advice.
I would definately want somebody to love me for what is inside of me, and i would never ever flaunt my sexuality (i assume you mean look sexy - albeit in a Godly way - if that can be done!!) to get someone to notice me.
You argue the same old point with your fancy new language - that people like me “are prudes”… You can say it which ever way you please, I will cover my body BECAUSE it is good, not because it is bad and should be hidden. God created me in His image and likeness, and therefore I will honour and protect my body (and my neighbour) from the sin of lust. I’m sorry but we DO NOT live an ideal world.
So maybe it is YOU who should be reported for your harmful advice. God forbid a young person hears this kind of rubbish, you will be held accountable for leading them down that path.
I truly hope you do some more research and educate yourself on the Theology of the Body and correct your ways, this is really sad. I am so sad from your advice.
May God bless you and show you the Truth
Hi, dear friend.

When I “put in my 2 cents,” I realized that I was disagreeing with someone who suspects that people around her are thinking, “people like her are prudes.” So, my perspective is here, as an alternative.

It’s really not a question of prudishness, per se.

It’s a question of suppressing God’s will which looks to sexual happiness in marriage.

How can you teach a maturing child, “You have a fundamental moral duty to be attractive and to make your sexual experiences with your spouse happy, fun events,” if you spend years “prudishly” suppressing it?

As shocking as it seems to one who suspects that people around her are thinking, “people like her are prudes,” God actually gives grace to assist people in achieving happy, fun sexual marital relationships.

Again, God invented sex. He loves interspousal sex.

In fact, sexual pleasure is undoubtedly a dull-but-real picture of the pleasure within the Beatific Vision.
 
I’m sorry but as a woman I’m not willing to wear a drab and, frankly, unflattering dress or head scarf because it will trigger “sinful lust” in men.

I’m used to wearing unflattering uniforms as a paramedic and a member of the US military. Given the chance, I like to wear something tasteful and ALSO flattering to my figure because I’ve worked hard at it and I like hearing people say “hey, you look great!”

I just got through with my first pregnancy and, personally, I’m fairly excited that I’m back to my pre-pregnancy weight and can wear cute clothes again. It was frustrating wearing sweats and maternity clothes all the time.

In no way am I condoning trashy clothes worn by woman in public. But, there is a huge difference between trashy and flattering. I like to look good and I’ll never be willing to dress according to some rules created just for “modesties” sake.
Oh, thank you for protecting our country, Kelfa28, :angel1:in more ways than one!

And I agree there is a difference between a lady looking nice and, well, a lady not looking like a lady.

I imagine it is enjoyable indeed, after wearing what is necessary for your work, to put on a nice dress that is flattering. (Yes, I know, we do have to tread carefully, there ladies! We can find a happy medium!) Everything in moderation is a good idea.

We certainly don’t need to to dowdy, and in fact, makeup and clothing in tasteful, classic combinations are timeless.

I know a few ladies who are opposed to using makeup on grounds I cannot understand. I think that makeup that looks “too much” is simply not being put on correctly. (We often have those overbearing makeup counter ladies to blame,) but goodness, there are thousands of videos (and good friends, one would hope) to help make suggestions.

And wait until you hit fifty. Moisturizers and sensible make up, discreetly applied with skill is something to be thankful for! I have rarely seen even a real natural beauty who didn’t benefit from a little touch of makeup. Why not practice a little anyway? We’re all going to need it someday!

Old fashioned as I am, (as seen in my previous post) I feel it would be arrogant of me to think I can’t use just a little help!

In the spring, I like my little floral :flowers::flowers:dresses for Sunday Mass. (My grown daughter says I look like Great Britain’s Queen Mother when she was alive. They’re very modest but age- appropriate, sensible but comfortable and pretty. I got them at Sears fifteen years ago, right off the sale rack! I think wearing something with a little burst of color makes people happy. (I think my floral dresses must all look very much alike, but they* are *different color schemes.)

God bless us all, and I wouldn’t judge anyone else, but I too feel best if I put real effort into what we used to call, in the olden times, “being presentable.” In the fall and winter, I have some dresses I’ve made myself with nice, classic lines.

One of my favorite things is to sew, knit or crochet for other people. (We do a lot of that at my parish for babies of mothers in distress or in shelters.) My church ministry is all about sharing with people who don’t have access to many choices at all.

One night our church was hosting our homeless brethren overnight for a week’s time.

It was fun to ask what they needed most. One lady needed new boots. One man really needed a special, warm, hooded shirt for working out of doors:winter::snowing: when he had the occasional roofing job. I ran off to the nearest store that was still open. You would have thought they’d won the lottery to see the joy on their faces at having something decent and attractive to wear. Some of the ladies just wanted hairbrushes and toothpaste! We try to stock some good clothing and job interview outfits.

God is great, and so generous. We can remember others when shopping, and buy something extra to share. What if everyone picked up a few extra clothing items for someone else when ever shopping? Imagine!:curtsey:

I Appreciate your service to our country! Thank you!
Love,
Kathryn Ann:heaven:
 
Subjectivity goes both ways. What is modest? You did bring it up, but the far end of the spectrum goes by way of Saudi Arabia or, God forbid, Afghanistan. I’ll be specific, I’m not going to be forced into a trash bag with a mesh window because society is afraid that I’ll show my ankle to a man other then my husband. What is “too far gone”? Should women be forced into anything because society is afraid they’ll see a knee or an ankle?

What is flattering? Well, I love my maxi dresses and floor length skirts as much as my skinny jeans with off the shoulder or tunic like tops. I love graphic tees and, yes, some of them are tight but they do get paired with a jacket if it’s chilly out. I think women’s business suits look fantastic and I would wear them if I worked in an office.

Western society was already forming when Rome was in power and it was Christianity that got the ball rolling when it came to the development of the civilized society. With it came the beginning of fashion as well. Sure, women in Jesus’ time wouldn’t wear anything tight but men wouldn’t wear slacks either. Are slacks on men considered immodest or do they just not count?

I think stressing over modest clothing is silly. Especially if women are solely responsible for what is considered modest or immodest. Men need to keep their libidos in check and examine their conscience without enslaving women into trash bags with mesh windows because they are afraid.

BTW, I consider myself a Catholic woman raising a Catholic family. I have a daughter as well, I’ll make the call as to what is okay to dress in and what is not. Personally, I’m more concerned about who she is as a person then whether she steps out of the house in skinny jeans or wears a bikini to the beach.
Well said. Too many adults here spend too much time telling other adults what they should wear. As the OP on a similar thread said:

"I have to tell you, the more I read this silly little whiny post, the more I realized just how trivial it really is. My time should be spent, not worrying about whether someone is dressed to MY standards, but contemplating whether MY life is measuring up to God’s standards. "
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Subjectivity goes both ways. What is modest? You did bring it up, but the far end of the spectrum goes by way of Saudi Arabia or, God forbid, Afghanistan. I’ll be specific, I’m not going to be forced into a trash bag with a mesh window because society is afraid that I’ll show my ankle to a man other then my husband. What is “too far gone”? Should women be forced into anything because society is afraid they’ll see a knee or an ankle?

What is flattering? Well, I love my maxi dresses and floor length skirts as much as my skinny jeans with off the shoulder or tunic like tops. I love graphic tees and, yes, some of them are tight but they do get paired with a jacket if it’s chilly out. I think women’s business suits look fantastic and I would wear them if I worked in an office.

Western society was already forming when Rome was in power and it was Christianity that got the ball rolling when it came to the development of the civilized society. With it came the beginning of fashion as well. Sure, women in Jesus’ time wouldn’t wear anything tight but men wouldn’t wear slacks either. Are slacks on men considered immodest or do they just not count?

I think stressing over modest clothing is silly. Especially if women are solely responsible for what is considered modest or immodest. Men need to keep their libidos in check and examine their conscience without enslaving women into trash bags with mesh windows because they are afraid.

BTW, I consider myself a Catholic woman raising a Catholic family. I have a daughter as well, I’ll make the call as to what is okay to dress in and what is not. Personally, I’m more concerned about who she is as a person then whether she steps out of the house in skinny jeans or wears a bikini to the beach.
It may be tough for you to accept this but you have been conditioned by western society. Obviously, you would appear to be an odd ball if you wore Islamic style clothes going out with your girlfriends. I said two times already a head dress is not necessary, it.s a bit much. A woman’s idea of femininity is to express themselves through clothing. Showing off your body is all part of this. Why not just come out and say, I want to wear clothes that are sexy. Are you wearing curve hugging clothes for someone else? If your married, why would you be doing that?

It’s a personal choice to accentuate your figure or show what you have. What I am trying to say is why do women need that as fulfillment? I was going to the “extreme” with Islamic clothes because this culture has already gone to extreme with female clothing, and it has for decades.
Every woman knows you can wear tight sweat pants or loose ones, the same with jeans and skirts. What do most choose? Even to the point of discomfort.

Are you saying Christianity played a role in the tight, low cut, revealing clothes women have worn for decades. Just because you assert Christianity got the “ball rolling” with clothes doesn’t mean it endorsed these styles. Scripture sites examples of modesty several times. Again, you have come to accept todays fashion. Do you know how many songs have been written about guys who go to church to pray to the Lord and the girl is “looking so fine”. A lot if you know music like me. Theres a reason for those songs.

You underestimate your power as a woman by saying men need to keep there libidos in check. Most men are not grabbing at women, it’s all about thought .As a man , I’m responsible as to what I say to a woman as far as leading her on if she’s attracted. You have a responsibility as well. The point about Jesus’ day is that men did not have to be exposed to such blatant temptation. They had to seek it out or be satisfied by their wives (and vice versa) You should be happy at not causing a man to stumble but you have bought into societys nonsense about fashion.

When I was growing up we use to say, " she looked in the mirror before she went out". Your not forced into fashion, you embrace it with a goal, and that applies to men to.
 
Well said. Too many adults here spend too much time telling other adults what they should wear. As the OP on a similar thread said:

"I have to tell you, the more I read this silly little whiny post, the more I realized just how trivial it really is. My time should be spent, not worrying about whether someone is dressed to MY standards, but contemplating whether MY life is measuring up to God’s standards. "
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Yeah, anything goes. Nothing influences anything. :eek:
 
Yeah, anything goes. Nothing influences anything. :eek:
Oh please. Guard what you say and do, do not hinge a man’s sin on what a woman wears. Men who go on on about how visual they are, how they need women to help them not sin, need to learn self control and how to look at a woman as a person.

If a man lusts, he sins, full stop.
 
Kathryn ANN,

I love reading your posts 🙂 Your so calm :hug1:

-Nicki
 
It may be tough for you to accept this but you have been conditioned by western society. Obviously, you would appear to be an odd ball if you wore Islamic style clothes going out with your girlfriends. I said two times already a head dress is not necessary, it.s a bit much. A woman’s idea of femininity is to express themselves through clothing. Showing off your body is all part of this. Why not just come out and say, I want to wear clothes that are sexy. Are you wearing curve hugging clothes for someone else? If your married, why would you be doing that?

It’s a personal choice to accentuate your figure or show what you have. What I am trying to say is why do women need that as fulfillment? I was going to the “extreme” with Islamic clothes because this culture has already gone to extreme with female clothing, and it has for decades.
Every woman knows you can wear tight sweat pants or loose ones, the same with jeans and skirts. What do most choose? Even to the point of discomfort.

Are you saying Christianity played a role in the tight, low cut, revealing clothes women have worn for decades. Just because you assert Christianity got the “ball rolling” with clothes doesn’t mean it endorsed these styles. Scripture sites examples of modesty several times. Again, you have come to accept todays fashion. Do you know how many songs have been written about guys who go to church to pray to the Lord and the girl is “looking so fine”. A lot if you know music like me. Theres a reason for those songs.

You underestimate your power as a woman by saying men need to keep there libidos in check. Most men are not grabbing at women, it’s all about thought .As a man , I’m responsible as to what I say to a woman as far as leading her on if she’s attracted. You have a responsibility as well. The point about Jesus’ day is that men did not have to be exposed to such blatant temptation. They had to seek it out or be satisfied by their wives (and vice versa) You should be happy at not causing a man to stumble but you have bought into societys nonsense about fashion.

When I was growing up we use to say, " she looked in the mirror before she went out". Your not forced into fashion, you embrace it with a goal, and that applies to men to.
So leave a woman to be responsible for whatever sin she commits and men should take full responsibility for the sins they commit. Its a cop-out and a cry baby attitude for men to point fingers at women.
 
I guess what my point was, that I am not trying to tell anyone how to dress or what is ok and what’s not. I just know that certain things I wear may lead someone to sin. But, I guess it really depends on how the person feels in their heart. It dosen’t say anywhere in the bible what is considered decent, but one commandment is thou shall not commit adultery. Then in another place in the bible it says something along the lines of ‘If you look at a woman with lust in your eyes then you have already committed adultery with her in your heart’. Based on that, I feel like if I where to cause a man to look at me because of the way I am dressed and have lust then I feel like I helped him commit a sin. At the same time I just personally don’t feel comfortable with a man checking me out so to speak.

I forgot to mention, but like I did mention earlier I feel like dressing a certain way also hurts our friends who may not be able to lose those extra pounds or don’t have those nice legs ect. When they see “perfect” looking girls in bikinis I am sure it hurts to see that 😦

Now again, I don’t mean this is how it should be, just like tattoos and other things that are not clear in the bible, we just go with what our conscious tells us God would be ok with. Or if in our heart we feel right about it. I know someone said that we adults basically shouldn’t be telling people how to dress and instead work on our own faults with God, but this to me personally, again just to me my self on a personal level is important to me because it might be committing someone else to sin.

Please, I do not mean this toward anyone I am just saying how me as a person feels about how I myself dress and why I dress the way I do and hope my daughter does the same later in life 🙂 Unless her heart tells her otherwise of coarse, because I do believe what is ok for one might not be ok for another and vice-versa.

Earlier when I had wrote about loving the old ways of style, that was my personal way of thinking, I just felt women even in the 1930’s looked beautiful, their hair, makeup and dresses 🙂

-Nicki
 
Oh, thank you for protecting our country, Kelfa28, :angel1:in more ways than one!
Your welcome! 🙂

Talk about regulations when it comes to dressing. You should see the specifics when it comes to the US military uniform. There is a book that specifies EVERYTHING on what it allowed to what isn’t.

Earrings, necklaces, bracelets and rings must all be a certain size and color. Hair can’t be “faddish” and must be pulled back a certain way or cut a certain way. The uniform must be worn a certain way.

However, females still look very stylish and flattering wearing their dress uniforms. I’m particular to the Marine’s class A or B. With a nice pair of pumps, females look outstanding.

BTW, if I’m conditioned by western society then I’m thanking God for that. I like living in a civilized society that promotes freedom. Western society developed absolutely everything you all wear. Including men’s suits, slacks, ties and anything else men would consider modest for themselves.

Despite what anyone wore in Jesus’s time, it’s interesting to note that those countries haven’t changed much over the past couple thousand years. I’m in favor of progress and in favor of my choices. I’ll be choosing my sundresses over a trash bag, thank you.
 
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