Modesty for women and men

[nickiwool]

Your correct. Adam and Eve sinned because of Eve but no wait, there was the devil too. When God punished them he punished them all. Key word. All. He didn’t just punish Adam and Eve he also punished the devil. The devil lied and Eve gave in causing also Adam to sin. That’s where we need to see what’s going on here. The devil is here too causing lies and such. We shouldn’t give in. I just saw Kings of Kings last night with my sons. I had them turn away when the step daughter of Harold the great had her dance, She was dressed what in that time would call inappropriate, of coarse she didn’t believe in God so she dressed as she pleased and danced as she pleased in front of not a husband but even her step father. She was not a woman of God if she had been she wouldn’t have done such. So why should all that change now, why should we fallow what may be evil in today’s world. I am not saying we need to dress with dresses of that time, yes I think its pretty neat if we did but that’s in my own little thoughts, I do realize times and costumes change, but to a degree. I’ve said before I have dressed provocative in the past. I was very bad. But, after leaving the protestant church I was in a few years ago about, hmm about maybe 2005. I started to think a little more on things. I don’t know maybe because I am older but something caused me to change and I am glad for it. Someone said here that they where the same and recently decided to change their way of dressing, same goes for me, it was about 2 years ago that I started to come back to the Catholic church and really think. I am writing about this and pushing my point on it so much because I am in hopes that maybe I can cause someone else to think too and make the change. Sometimes, most times people change because of someone speaking out on how they feel and causing someone else to question them selves. Some don’t believe this to be an important subject but there are some of us that believe it to be very important. and to me, if something is a big deal to them then its important.

Edit: I meant to have quoted JohnnyJones on:

“There are multiple examples in scripture and in the lives of the saints where one has caused another to sin, you are wrong. With the logic you embrace there would be no such word as “stumbling block”. ULTIMATELY we are resonsible for our own sins.”

-Nicki

 

[Walking_Home]

Your correct. Adam and Eve sinned because of Eve but no wait, there was the devil too. When God punished them he punished them all. Key word. All. He didn’t just punish Adam and Eve he also punished the devil. The devil lied and Eve gave in causing also Adam to sin. That’s where we need to see what’s going on here. The devil is here too causing lies and such. We shouldn’t give in. I just saw Kings of Kings last night with my sons. I had them turn away when the step daughter of Harold the great had her dance, She was dressed what in that time would call inappropriate, of coarse she didn’t believe in God so she dressed as she pleased and danced as she pleased in front of not a husband but even her step father. She was not a woman of God if she had been she wouldn’t have done such. So why should all that change now, why should we fallow what may be evil in today’s world. I am not saying we need to dress with dresses of that time, yes I think its pretty neat if we did but that’s in my own little thoughts, I do realize times and costumes change, but to a degree. I’ve said before I have dressed provocative in the past. I was very bad. But, after leaving the protestant church I was in a few years ago about, hmm about maybe 2005. I started to think a little more on things. I don’t know maybe because I am older but something caused me to change and I am glad for it. Someone said here that they where the same and recently decided to change their way of dressing, same goes for me, it was about 2 years ago that I started to come back to the Catholic church and really think. I am writing about this and pushing my point on it so much because I am in hopes that maybe I can cause someone else to think too and make the change. Sometimes, most times people change because of someone speaking out on how they feel and causing someone else to question them selves. Some don’t believe this to be an important subject but there are some of us that believe it to be very important. and to me, if something is a big deal to them then its important.

-Nicki

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You can dress – which ever way you want – but please – don’t go around attributing evil to others who do not dress to your liking.

 

[johnnyjones]

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We as Catholic Christians – should not be "focusing’ on “projected images” – but in looking at others as children of God-- no matter what the person wears.

That’s the key word, “focusing”. We live in the real world though and some young girls are deluded by the fashion world, that they can half dress. As evidenced by a recent female poster, a girl is then subjected to being gawked at by some goons.

Not everyone is a Christian. We are talking here about how Christians can be influenced as well, not only what would be advantageous for them.

 

[Walking_Home]

That’s the key word, “focusing”. We live in the real world though and some young girls are deluded by the fashion world, that they can half dress. As evidenced by a recent female poster, a girl is then subjected to being gawked at by some goons.

Not everyone is a Christian. We are talking here about how Christians can be influenced as well, not only what would be advantageous for them.

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Again “johnnyjones”. The goon is the only one responsible for his own act of gawking.

 

[nickiwool]

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You can dress – which ever way you want – but please – don’t go around attributing evil to others who do not dress to your liking.

You may take my post however you wish. The devil is evil. Not the woman wearing a short skirt. I was not evil when I wore one. I came from both sides of the fence.

It’s ok to dress however we wish, it’s ok to say as we wish, it’s ok to abort, it’s ok for woman to marry woman, it’s ok to use all our freedom to the highest degree. You do not wish to speak out in hopes to having someone think a little more on it. That’s not me, I wish to.

-Nicki

 

[johnnyjones]

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Again “johnnyjones”. The goon is the only one responsible for his own act of gawking.

Sexy, hot, provocative clothes DO NOT stimulate a man. Good luck getting rich with selling that NEW concept to an advertising agency.

 

[Walking_Home]

Sexy, hot, provocative clothes DO NOT stimulate a man. Good luck getting rich with selling that NEW concept to an advertising agency.

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Again – the “stimulated” man – needs to take responsibility for his own “stimulation”-- and not pass the buck – making the woman the scapegoat.

 

[severus68]

Dear Walking_Home,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Hope all is well.

Those who advocate modesty in choice of clothing are merely thinking with an authentic Christian mind and responding to the decadent West’s obessession with sex and its tendency to view women especially as an assemblege of body parts. How can a devout Catholic remain silent regarding such a disordered fixation, dear friend?

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

Well, it seems as if the disordered fixation is about harping about womens’ bodies and their breasts, bums and even arms and not seeing them as persons.

 

[severus68]

Your going from lust turning into rape when we were originally talking about stumbling blocks. By the way, the general consensus, by psychologists and the like is that rape is not derived from a mans lust (many rapists are married and “satisfied” by their wives). It is about the dominance of women, control. A rapist will use sex as the tool to demean and conquer a women. In addition their is an underlying hatred for women.

The “she was asking for it” by how she was dressed is the false motive that a rapist gives. Your playing around with the word “action”. So to help things along, rape is a physical action as opposed to your “action” of thought. No women should be raped based on clothes. But a women could be “undressed” in a mans mind.

Sexy or provocative clothes provide NO stimulus for many men? Try to guess true or false. If the answer is true, it seems like clothes can promote lust.

You used the word "action’, not me. Thank you, I know what rape is about but you have not directly answered the question I put to you twice.

 

[Walking_Home]

You may take my post however you wish. The devil is evil. Not the woman wearing a short skirt. I was not evil when I wore one. I came from both sides of the fence.

It’s ok to dress however we wish, it’s ok to say as we wish, it’s ok to abort, it’s ok for woman to marry woman, it’s ok to use all our freedom to the highest degree. You do not wish to speak out in hopes to having someone think a little more on it. That’s not me, I wish to.

-Nicki

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What the heck — who here is saying abortion is “ok” and same sex marriage is “ok”. Don’t try to muddy the waters by throwing those in.

 

[johnnyjones]

You used the word "action’, not me. Thank you, I know what rape is about but you have not directly answered the question I put to you twice.

What part of “no women should be raped based on clothes” didn’t you get.

 

[nickiwool]

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What the heck — who here is saying abortion is “ok” and same sex marriage is “ok”. Don’t try to muddy the waters by throwing those in.

Why is it not ok to bring those up, to some people all these things are the same in importancy, but because You don’t see one of them important then it makes it not important?
It’s ok to try to tell someone those things are wrong but its not ok to tell someone to think twice about they way they dress. No one wants us to speak out about what we believe. My point is here that, its ok to stand up for those things but not for clothes. The original poster asked what we believed was decent versus not decent. We said what we felt about the matter but somehow people started to attack us and saying we are being judgmental and should NOT be telling anyone how to dress, all we did was say what we think is appropriate and what’s not and gave our reasons. We think the way someone dresses is very important others feels its not. If we feel the way someone dresses is important and if you disagree then let us be. We aren’t telling anyone how to dress just giving ideas and stories of what we think can trigger from the style.

-Nicki

 

[drfye]

Well said.

hahahaha, well, I try.

 

[johnnyjones]

Yes, a man is 100% accountable for what he does. That is accurate. We know that, now move to the next stage, does a woman have accountability. Lets examine this.

Why would a women wear sexy revealing clothes? Are any of you saying there is no motive behind a woman wearing such clothes? When you get to motive, you get to responsibility and accountablity. Remember we are not talking as if all women are Christian.

Is a thong worn at the beach by a woman for comfort? Are tight short shorts worn for some medical reason I don’t know of? Are mini skirts worn so that women have to worry about how they sit all day long? They are worn to attract attention to the opposite sex. To allure.

For a Christian woman to wear these clothes would mean they had a purpose. This is to exemplify their sexuality. So if you are mindful of why you are wearing the clothes and they appear to have no other purpose but to stimulate and lure another, you have responsibility for your actions. A woman can induce lust, thats why scantily clad women are used to sell products. If a woman is conscious of that, she is not less accoutable than a man. Hard to believe I actually had to lay this out.

 

[Baelor]

Why would a women wear sexy revealing clothes? Are any of you saying there is no motive behind a woman wearing such clothes? When you get to motive, you get to responsibility and accountablity. Remember we are not talking as if all women are Christian.

First, we need to define sexy clothes. My sister has had to change shirts on occasion because they were low-cut, but she was not on the prowl, it was simply the first thing she picked out of her drawer.

Is a thong worn at the beach by a woman for comfort? Are tight short shorts worn for some medical reason I don’t know of? Are mini skirts worn so that women have to worry about how they sit all day long? They are worn to attract attention to the opposite sex. To allure.

Can you prove that? The attire you mention is inappropriate, but I would be hesitant to claim I know the motives of such clothing. It may very well be for comfort.

 

[nickiwool]

Yes, a man is 100% accountable for what he does. That is accurate. We know that, now move to the next stage, does a woman have accountability. Lets examine this.

Why would a women wear sexy revealing clothes? Are any of you saying there is no motive behind a woman wearing such clothes? When you get to motive, you get to responsibility and accountablity. Remember we are not talking as if all women are Christian.

Is a thong worn at the beach by a woman for comfort? Are tight short shorts worn for some medical reason I don’t know of? Are mini skirts worn so that women have to worry about how they sit all day long? They are worn to attract attention to the opposite sex. To allure.

For a Christian woman to wear these clothes would mean they had a purpose. This is to exemplify their sexuality. So if you are mindful of why you are wearing the clothes and they appear to have no other purpose but to stimulate and lure another, you have responsibility for your actions. A woman can induce lust, thats why scantily clad women are used to sell products. If a woman is conscious of that, she is not less accoutable than a man. Hard to believe I actually had to lay this out.

Exacltly! Like I have said I have been on both sides of the fence. Anytime I wore such outfits it was because I wanted to get a guys number at the fair, I wanted to look good and turns guys heads, I wanted to attract. That was my motive and the motive of allll my friends back when we where teens. You should see some of our pictures. Even when I just had on tight pants and a tube top I still wore it in hopes that I looked hot. I used to love making other girls jealous because I had their guys look at me. Now why again is all this not bad? Why again is it ok to prounce around like that knowing darn well my purpose. That’s why I am trying to hard to explain how terrible I think it is, How sad that I wanted others to feel bad in my presence or want to get guys attention. I was a grown girl I knew well enough what I was doing. and really I acted this way because I was always looked at as a nerd in school and thought this made me cool because I was skinny and could wear it all nicely. I’d rather spend the rest of my days trying to help young girls or young woman to see what I see now. That’s the least I can do for all the bad I was. and no I am not changing the way I dress because I can’t look good in things anymore. I am still a size 3. It’s because I woke up and want to be the person I was before my late teen years. The good hearted lover and believer of God. It’s just a shock to me I really always thought there was things we all just would have an understanding on, its a shock that this is one that is argued upon in a Godly setting. I figured it was common sense.

-Nicki

 

[nickiwool]

First, we need to define sexy clothes. My sister has had to change shirts on occasion because they were low-cut, but she was not on the prowl, it was simply the first thing she picked out of her drawer.

Can you prove that? The attire you mention is inappropriate, but I would be hesitant to claim I know the motives of such clothing. It may very well be for comfort.

Sorry but no not for comfort I’ve worn all these and it was not for comfort by any means.

-Nicki

 

[johnnyjones]

First, we need to define sexy clothes. My sister has had to change shirts on occasion because they were low-cut, but she was not on the prowl, it was simply the first thing she picked out of her drawer.

Can you prove that? The attire you mention is inappropriate, but I would be hesitant to claim I know the motives of such clothing. It may very well be for comfort.

Okay wow, even if you want to say a piece of cloth pulled tightly up your crack is comfortable, that’s a defense against a women knowing the stimulating parts of her body should show?

You would hesitate on the motives based on what? A portion of woman that say they want to feel sexy by wearing these clothes? That’s what women say. Most woman don’t come out and say they wear tight short stuff because they want to attract a man, not to another man at least. When you know what your doing, your responsible. Many Christian women are aware of this, some are not, or just don’t care. It’s not that confusing.

 

[johnnyjones]

Exacltly! Like I have said I have been on both sides of the fence. Anytime I wore such outfits it was because I wanted to get a guys number at the fair, I wanted to look good and turns guys heads, I wanted to attract. That was my motive and the motive of allll my friends back when we where teens. You should see some of our pictures. Even when I just had on tight pants and a tube top I still wore it in hopes that I looked hot. I used to love making other girls jealous because I had their guys look at me. Now why again is all this not bad? Why again is it ok to prounce around like that knowing darn well my purpose. That’s why I am trying to hard to explain how terrible I think it is, How sad that I wanted others to feel bad in my presence or want to get guys attention. I was a grown girl I knew well enough what I was doing. and really I acted this way because I was always looked at as a nerd in school and thought this made me cool because I was skinny and could wear it all nicely. I’d rather spend the rest of my days trying to help young girls or young woman to see what I see now. That’s the least I can do for all the bad I was. and no I am not changing the way I dress because I can’t look good in things anymore. I am still a size 3. It’s because I woke up and want to be the person I was before my late teen years. The good hearted lover and believer of God. It’s just a shock to me I really always thought there was things we all just would have an understanding on, its a shock that this is one that is argued upon in a Godly setting. I figured it was common sense.

-Nicki

Thanks for the honesty. I hope it sends the proper message.

 

[severus68]

Ok then what about the ones who don’t believe in God? I am just wondering because they are many many men and woman walking around who either don’t believe or say then do believe but fallow nothing in a religion, then what. For example, I decide I want to go to the mall in a short skirt with a tube top. If two young men started staring at me as I walk by smiling and looking at my bottom as I walk by then that’s ok? because this nation “allows” me to wear as I please and it’s “their” fault not mine that they are staring at me wrongly. I really have no fault in this?. Maybe its just here in california then, but everwhere in these malls this happens. I see girls dressed as they please then see men just staring with grins. Sometimes older men too looking at younger teenage girls. Why oh why is this ok . I am grateful for freedom of religion and right to speak my mind, but I do not think it is right to take advantage of freedom either, and accept that I can dress provocative or have an abortion if I please and fallow the ways of the rest. Just think what would happen of this nation or world if us who say we fallow a religion also do the same as the rest of society. Sometimes I feel like the Amish have a better chance in to enter the heavens then us who are just the same as everyone else. We wouldn’t dare walk into a church with such attire but see it ok to do outside of church, does God not see us outside is he not out here but only in a church? I believe he is everywhere. It is as if a person is nice to let their fellow church member walk in the doors before you but on Wednesday not let a person merging on the freeway in because you don’t feel like slowing down. If only we all where out here as we are when we attend church, what a wonderful thing we would be doing and showing those that do not believe. I do have a right to do as I please but no thank you, I wish to do as I see would make my God happy. I don’t know just my thoughts.

-Nicki

Not all atheists are sick, perverted and immoral just as some Catholics are.

Yes, God sees us everywhere but I would think God would be more interested in seeing us feed the hungry and yes, clothe the poor then what we wear.

Please do not bring in the abortion card to support your weak arguements. It does not.