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It seems to me a cultural matter.

No, I wouldn’t. Where the public nakedness is out of the culture (expecially in western culture) to be naked becomes immodest.
(However, until early 20th century, the boys swam naked at East River).
Is that the only reason you wouldn’t? Culture?

What about sexual predators and pedophiles? The same who exist in India where you’re arguing children should go naked?

Because if you let your kid run around nude in New York City… they’ll be in the East River alright… floating.

You assume that because of “culture” that these people do not exist in India?

Are you kidding me?
 
Is that the only reason you wouldn’t? Culture?
What about sexual predators and pedophiles?
In our culture there are all this problems.
The same who exist in India where you’re arguing children should go naked?
I am not arguing that in India children should go naked. I only see that, in other cultures, people have a different idea about this theme.
Because if you let your kid run around nude in New York City… they’ll be in the East River alright… floating.
I told only that in our culture now public nudity is immodest (with all the consequences). Perhaps it would have been different a century ago, but we are living in our time…
You assume that because of “culture” that these people do not exist in India?
Are you kidding me?
Why are you so angry? Anyway I stop here the dialogue. Have a nice evening.
 
You can’t honestly tell me a thin piece of cloth will stop or even slow these kind of people down.

Visible gardians/ grown ups / caretakers or whoever can stop this. The child’s clothes stops nothing.

That’s like saying - a girl that showed up for a date wearing a low cut blouse, she wanted to be raped. That’s ludacris.

There is a time and place for everything. Running down NY city street naked is not appropriate. A little common sense. Modesty is “freedom from vanity or conceit” and should be a way of life, not focused on clothes. From what I’ve read, God always sees your attitude first. Your clothes are invisible to Him. Maybe we should look at people the same way.

You can be modest and be naked. Example: the showers at the gym. Why should we feel ashamed of being naked (in the appropriate setting). What a horrible thing we teach our kids about their bodies. When I was growing up, I hated showering in school. I was so embarrassed, I’d rather just stink until I got home. Later, I even turned down a good industrial job because I didn’t want to take the mandatory showers. But that was a long time ago.
Don’t do this to yourself or your kids, don’t be too private at home. Both moms and dads, walk from your shower to your room without the towel. Your kids will be stronger for it. Show them what real bodies are. Not the magazines. Anorexia, Bulimia, are both from false body ideals, and thats just some. But the kids have never seen their parents naked even just walking from the shower to the dressing room. I beleive God would like us to be proud of our bodies, WITHOUT GOING OVERBOARD. Reject shame

Just a note:
Women do have equal rights in the state of New York, where a male can be toppless so can the female. Breasts are not sex organs, so lets not pretend they are.
 
I was in India with my wife and my son for a vacation. We visited also a friend Indian family that lives a little town in Andhra Pradesh. They have two sons, 5 and 3 years old. Our friends told us that usually the children, at home, wore only the traditional Indian belts, but they would have told the children to wear their shorts if we disliked.
Really we were a little worried for our son (5 years old), but we thought that we should have to respect their custom.
Finally our son played with his mate in the same arrangement.
Perhaps there are not general rules about modesty.

Do you know this sort of Indian waist-belts? They are simple laces that don’t cover anything. Our son was playing for ten minutes with his new mates, when he asked for permission to take off his clothing. Later our friends gave him a belt.
We were in India, not in America: “Si fueris Romae, Romano vivito more, si fueris alibi, vivito sicut ibi.”

I didn’t think at this discussion. I only gave an experience that taught me that, in different cultures, there are different ways to look at the life. So now I can say that those Indian children were modest also wearing their belts. Perhaps this is out of our standards, but this is our problem, not their.

God clothed Adam and Eve for their shame. Those children were not ashamed.

No, I wouldn’t. Where the public nakedness is out of the culture (expecially in western culture) to be naked becomes immodest.
(However, until early 20th century, the boys swam naked at East River)…

From JAW642 on 04/17/2010

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You are absolutely correct to allow your 5 year old son to take off all of his clothes, and play naked with his new naked mates, since that is what he wanted to do. I wonder why, later your friends gave him a belt? I doubt that they were offended by your son’s nudity ! ! I feel that since your son did not ask for a belt, he should not have been given one. Because he was totally comfortable with his own nudity, that’s the way he should have remained playing with his new friends.

Those Indian children were modest, and so was your son. I believe that, even up to around the age of 12 or so, kids playing naked in this manner can be appropriate. As long as all of the kids are comfortable, with their dress or lack of dress, then all of the Adults should be equally as comfortable.

I think at one time in America it was considered healthy to have some nude playtime for children each day. Today, sadly some people might consider nude playtime as child abuse.

Now that you are back home, has your son asked you or has he shown any signs or interest in wanting to play or be naked again?

If he has, then have you allowed him to do it?

In the Indian culture, do you know if there is an age where wearing only these traditional Indian belts around the house, might be considered inappropriate?

From JAW642 on 04/17/2010

 
St. John Vianney addresses this in one of his sermons. He believes that the modesty of children should be as sacred as that of any person, of any age, and he also said some things about parents guarding their children’s modesty, starting at infancy. He also was concerned how many parents didn’t protect their children’s modesty.
What do you think about children’s modesty?
 
St. John Vianney addresses this in one of his sermons. He believes that the modesty of children should be as sacred as that of any person, of any age, and he also said some things about parents guarding their children’s modesty, starting at infancy. He also was concerned how many parents didn’t protect their children’s modesty.
I don’t understand how the child wouldn’t be thoroughly confused at some point, when you introduce modesty at a certain age after you’ve let him/her be naked for part of their childhood and treated it as completely normal. Then you tell them that the very thing you let them do is now inappropriate.
 
You introduce modesty immediately. You don’t allow the child to be naked for part of their childhood.

The books Sermons of the Cure De Ars and Colleen Hammond’s Dressing with Dignity have helped me immensely.

It puzzles me when I see adults who dress and act with immodesty expect their children to dress appropriately. Sometimes I think parents only want to take credit for the good behaviors of their children but forget that children emulate the not so great stuff too.

just my two cents …
I don’t understand how the child wouldn’t be thoroughly confused at some point, when you introduce modesty at a certain age after you’ve let him/her be naked for part of their childhood and treated it as completely normal. Then you tell them that the very thing you let them do is now inappropriate.
 
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