Modesty

[joshvanrad]

Just look on the forum, week after week, how many men STRUGGLE with issues of purity, go to confession, go to great means not to fall only to have many women dress in ways that are clearly NOT helping!

I’ve never considered the way women dress around me the root of the struggles with my purity. When I struggle with purity I can feel the temptations coming from within, not what I view around me. That is just my own personal experience though.

 

[Walking_Home]

severus68:

Perhaps you should try to look at all people as persons and with respect.

I think it’s one thing, trying to look at everyone with respect. It’s another when women dress like prostitutes, even in Church and still act like it’s always 100% the man’s fault when he falls?

Women, realize that the reason prostitutes dress the way they do is because they find this works with men! If it didn’t, they wouldn’t bother! ** So, if a man falls due to our tempting him, we are at least partly, if not mostly, responsible for acting as a temptress**!

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Well – actually no. If a man falls – it is through an act of his own free will. To place/transfer responsibility for his “fall” onto someone else – is to deny the man’s own dignity and freedom – even when the act of his will is manifested in a negative/disastrous way. His “fall” is fully his own act-- and the responsibility for his “fall” is untransferable onto someone else.

POST-SYNODAL APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION
RECONCILIATION AND PENANCE
OF JOHN PAUL II
TO THE BISHOPS CLERGY AND FAITHFUL
ON RECONCILIATION AND PENANCE
IN THE MISSION OF THE CHURCH TODAY

Personal Sin and Social Sin

1. Sin, in the proper sense, is always a personal act, since it is an act of freedom on the part of an individual person and not properly of a group or community. This individual may be conditioned, incited and influenced by numerous and powerful external factors. He may also be subjected to tendencies, defects and habits linked with his personal condition. In not a few cases such external and internal factors may attenuate, to a greater or lesser degree, the person’s freedom and therefore his responsibility and guilt. But it is a truth of faith, also confirmed by our experience and reason, that the human person is free. This truth cannot be disregarded in order to place the blame for individuals’ sins on external factors such as structures, systems or other people.** Above all, this would be to deny the person’s dignity and freedom, which are manifested-even though in a negative and disastrous way-also in this responsibility for sin committed. Hence there is nothing so personal and untransferable** in each individual as merit for virtue or responsibility for sin.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_02121984_reconciliatio-et-paenitentia_en.html