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Maranatha
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If a person is reqired to acknoledge “Mohammed is Alla’s prophet” to reach salvatoin, then is it not fair to descrive Islam as Mohamadism?
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exoflare
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A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. Same with this, except for the “sweet” part.
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Shadowcry
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what do you mean?
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Karin
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The same could be asked of Catholics…do they not need to acknowledge that “Jesus is Christ” in order to reach salvation?
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George_Waters
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Karin said:
Yes… and that is why we are called Christians.
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George Waters:
Should it not be Jesusism? If we are using the same comparrison as in the OP.
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George_Waters
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Perhaps, but I would not be offended to be associated with the faith of Jesus regardless of what that faith is called. We should respect others wishes, but I think sometimes people are just trying to be offended (and some are trying to pick a fight).
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Karin
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George Waters:
I think IMHO that in most cases when dealing with Islam people are trying to offend…
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George_Waters
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You may be right, but I have seen enough posts where Muslims seem to be trying to offend Catholics on this forum as well. That is not to condone intentionally offending someone or their faith, but simply to point out it is not just Catholics or Christians seemingly trying to offend.
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Karin
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George Waters:
Yeah I guess it goes both ways…
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Hashi_Al-Eritre
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Islam is the religion of God, not Muhammed (peace and blessings be upon him). To refer to ourselves as Muhammedans is not appropriate because this isnt Muhammed’s religion. Yes he is the Prophet God sent for us to follow, but his teachings come from God, not from himself.
We believe Islam was the religion of all the Prophets and Messengers, we believe they all called themselves Muslims (submitters to God). And just like God commanded the prophets and messengers before to call themselves Muslims, God commands us in the Quran to call ourselves Muslims, so we call ourselves Muslims (submitters to the will of God).
We believe Islam was the religion of all the Prophets and Messengers, we believe they all called themselves Muslims (submitters to God). And just like God commanded the prophets and messengers before to call themselves Muslims, God commands us in the Quran to call ourselves Muslims, so we call ourselves Muslims (submitters to the will of God).
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George Waters:
Some posters sound offending mainly because of the tone they imploy in their posts. making sarcastic remarks, showing hostility to anothers faith, or just making rude comments, these are the kind of things that really have no place in any interfaith discussion. I think its a big waste of time on the posters part, and a bigger waste of time on the one replying back.
I can only speak for myself and my posts, i dont intend to offend any christians on the forum. I dont come with any intent to agitate or tick anyone off, nor to show hostility to anyones faith. However due to the nature of interfaith dialogue, when discussing one another’s faith, issues which we differ in will always be brought up and it might lead us to not like what the other is saying. But i think whats important is the etiquette and manners one employs in his/her posts.
Some posters sound offending mainly because of the tone they imploy in their posts. making sarcastic remarks, showing hostility to anothers faith, or just making rude comments, these are the kind of things that really have no place in any interfaith discussion. I think its a big waste of time on the posters part, and a bigger waste of time on the one replying back.
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George Waters:
I have found myself biting my tongue posting here. It’s like having appropriate anger at times that feels disallowed due to house rules. Yet at the end of the day one must repsect the house.
I used to admin a forum or two in my day. I feel for the moderators here trying to keep this particular forum civil. So if for no other reason I try to chill to prevent moderators from perpetual headaches and heartburn. The good thing about this is that people can hear from the Islamic people directly seeing the mindsets of people in Islam.
I have a much clearer image of Islam after reading and posting here. I think the secret is to have an opinion without trying to sway the other sides opinion.
If you think about it… is any one on either side going to be swayed to the other side in these debates? Best bet is to leave that to the Holy Spirit. It’s always going to be frustrating like talking to the wall for everyone posting here. So the only benefit is the education.
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Thats the tough thing about this forum. It is an exercise in patience to read things that are seriously abominous on both sides and remain civil.
I have found myself biting my tongue posting here. It’s like having appropriate anger at times that feels disallowed due to house rules. Yet at the end of the day one must repsect the house.
I used to admin a forum or two in my day. I feel for the moderators here trying to keep this particular forum civil. So if for no other reason I try to chill to prevent moderators from perpetual headaches and heartburn. The good thing about this is that people can hear from the Islamic people directly seeing the mindsets of people in Islam.
I have a much clearer image of Islam after reading and posting here. I think the secret is to have an opinion without trying to sway the other sides opinion.
If you think about it… is any one on either side going to be swayed to the other side in these debates? Best bet is to leave that to the Holy Spirit. It’s always going to be frustrating like talking to the wall for everyone posting here. So the only benefit is the education.
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George_Waters
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Good posts Gentlemen!
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George Waters:
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I second that!
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Maranatha
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Hashi Al-Eritre:
It still seems to me that we can describe, not call, Islam as Mohamedanism since it is required that al Muslims accept Mohammad as Alla’s prophet.
Thanks Hashi,
It still seems to me that we can describe, not call, Islam as Mohamedanism since it is required that al Muslims accept Mohammad as Alla’s prophet.
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Hashi_Al-Eritre
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If you are basing your judgement on that, then why dont you refer to us as Noahans, Abrahamians, Mosesians, Jesusians, and other names of Prophets and Messengers? All muslims are required to accept them as prophets of God too.
Anyhow, if you wish to refer to Muslims as Muhammadans thats up to you. However, you wont find a single Muslim in the world that calls himself a muhammadan, and I think you will agree with me that we shouldnt make up our own labels on people but call them by what they call themselves. This is part of showing respect to one another.
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Maranatha
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Hashi Al-Eritre:
Thanks. Why doesn’t Muslims profess: “There is no God but Alla and Jesus is his prophet.”?
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jcaz
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When a religion is names after a person, this often implies worship of this person.
And even if it does not imply worship, the high level at which this person is generally glorified does borderline on worship.
And as Muslims absolutely do not worship Muhammad, peace be up him, calling Muslims Muhammadins is not only not correct, it would be degrading and offensive.
We are proud to say that we follow Muhammad, just as Christians are proud to say they follow Jesus, peace be upon then both. But we do not invent names of our religion based on what we may think or whatever we feel sounds nice. Allaah named His religion Islaam, and this is the name that should be used.
You call yourselves Catholics, and as such, this is the name that I refer to you as.
Hope this helps.
And even if it does not imply worship, the high level at which this person is generally glorified does borderline on worship.
And as Muslims absolutely do not worship Muhammad, peace be up him, calling Muslims Muhammadins is not only not correct, it would be degrading and offensive.
We are proud to say that we follow Muhammad, just as Christians are proud to say they follow Jesus, peace be upon then both. But we do not invent names of our religion based on what we may think or whatever we feel sounds nice. Allaah named His religion Islaam, and this is the name that should be used.
You call yourselves Catholics, and as such, this is the name that I refer to you as.
Hope this helps.
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Hashi_Al-Eritre
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What about ‘and Abraham is His Prophet’ or ‘Moses is His Prophet’ or any other of the many many prophets and messengers? The testification that Muslims make ‘There is none worthy of worship except God (Allah) and that Muhammed is the Messenger of God’ is because as i said earlier Muslims follow Muhammed’s teachings as we believe He is the final Messenger. And the one who makes this testification is automatically also acknowlegding the Prophethood of all the other Prophets and Messengers, because one cannot be a believer in God and the Prophet Muhammed if they do not believe in the previous Prophets.
And ask any muslim ‘what do you think of Jesus’ and they will tell you ‘He is the Prophet & Messenger of God and the promised Messiah’ as the Quran says. No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not acknowledge this fact.
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