Mohamadism

[Maranatha]

Thanks again. Does one have to accept Mohamed, and all the previous prophets, to obtain salvation?

 

[Hashi_Al-Eritre]

Maranatha:

Thanks again. Does one have to accept Mohamed, and all the previous prophets, to obtain salvation?

Yes. Disbelieving in a single Prophet or Messenger is like disbelieving in all of them and all revelation. a Muslim cannot carry his/her own opinions of who is a prophet and who isnt. This is because God said: “Verily, those who disbelieve in Allâh and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allâh and His Messengers saying, “We believe in some but reject others,” and wish to adopt a way in between. They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment. And those who believe in Allâh and His Messengers and make no distinction between any of them (Messengers), We shall give them their rewards, and Allâh is Ever Oft*Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (An-Nisa 4:150-152)

According to a saying of the prophet Muhammed, the number of prophets is 124,000 but the Quran mentions only 25 of them namely, Adam, Nuh (Noah), Hud, Salih, Ibrahim (Abraham), Lut (Lot), Ismail (Ismael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob), Yusuf (Joseph), Shu’aib, Yunus (Jonah), Ayub (Job), Musa (Moses), Harun (Aaron), Daud (David), Sulaiman (Soloman), Zakaria (Zachariah), Yahya (John the Baptist), Elias (Elijah), Dzulkifli (Ezekiel), Elisha, Idris, Isa (Jesus) and Muhammad. God said in the Quran: "And, indeed We have sent Messengers before you; of some of them We have related to you their story and of some We have not related to you their story, and it was not given to any Messenger that he should bring a sign except by the Leave of Allâh. (Ghafir 40:78)

So God did not relate all the names and stories of the previous messengers, but he has related the names and stories of some of them, such as the ones named above.

One might ask did God send messengers to the rest of the world or just the children of Israeel? God said in the Quran: “And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them.” (Fatir 35:24) and He also said: “And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).” (Al-Isra 17:15) So messengers and prophets were sent to all nations of the world and God is not unjust and wouldnt punish a people until a messenger has been sent to clarify the truth to them about worshiping God alone.

 

[Lance]

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One might ask did God send messengers to the rest of the world or just the children of Israeel? God said in the Quran: “And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them.” (Fatir 35:24) and He also said: “And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).” (Al-Isra 17:15) So messengers and prophets were sent to all nations of the world and God is not unjust and wouldnt punish a people until a messenger has been sent to clarify the truth to them about worshiping God alone.

This is a little off topic but I don’t think it worth starting a new thread over. In Islam is it possible for a Hindu or say Buhdist to be saved?

 

[Maranatha]

Hashi Al-Eritre:

Yes. Disbelieving in a single Prophet or Messenger is like disbelieving in all of them and all revelation. a Muslim cannot carry his/her own opinions of who is a prophet and who isnt. This is because God said: “Verily, those who disbelieve in Allâh and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allâh and His Messengers saying, “We believe in some but reject others,” and wish to adopt a way in between. They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment. And those who believe in Allâh and His Messengers and make no distinction between any of them (Messengers), We shall give them their rewards, and Allâh is Ever Oft*Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (An-Nisa 4:150-152)

I assume you don’t accept the Christian Bible or the Jewish Tora and Talmud. The only book you accept is the Quran which was dictated by Mohammad. So you only have the interpretation of Mohammad to go by when you discuss God’s revelation. Since the only accepted revelation comes from Mohammad and you need to accept Mohammad to be saved, then it seems to me this faith can be described as Mohammedanism.

 

[Hashi_Al-Eritre]

Lance:

This is a little off topic but I don’t think it worth starting a new thread over. In Islam is it possible for a Hindu or say Buhdist to be saved?

To put it in one sentence, if any type of non-muslim is introduced to islam in this life and accepts, he is saved, and if he doesn’t then hes considered as a rejector and disbeliever and if he dies on that he would be destined for punishment in the fire.

If there is a person who has not been introduced to Islam, like people living in the remotest places on earth like the rainforests or the south pole, the case being that they never encountered anyone who has told them about worshiping God alone and believing in the Prophets and the revelation etc, according to some of the Prophet Muhammed’s sayings, these types of people will be put to the test on the Day of Resurrection. Whoever from them obeys will enter Paradise and whoever disobeys will enter Hell.

Hindus and Buddists today more or less know about Islam. They are millions of Muslims living in those regions where the majority are hindus and buddists. But again, those who truly have not heard the message (in its correct manner, not just hearing about islam when hearing about terrorists), wherever they are, they will not be treated unjustly by God and will be tested on the day of resurrection on their willingness to submit to and obey God.

 

[Reuben_J]

Hashi Al-Eritre:

Islam is the religion of God, not Muhammed (peace and blessings be upon him). To refer to ourselves as Muhammedans is not appropriate because this isnt Muhammed’s religion. Yes he is the Prophet God sent for us to follow, but his teachings come from God, not from himself.

It is obvious and being sensible to call someone what they like to be called. So, it’ll be Islam.
Hashi Al-Eritre:

We believe Islam was the religion of all the Prophets and Messengers, we believe they all called themselves Muslims (submitters to God). And just like God commanded the prophets and messengers before to call themselves Muslims, God commands us in the Quran to call ourselves Muslims, so we call ourselves Muslims (submitters to the will of God).

This statement is errorneous but your phrase ‘we believe’ qualifies it. The earlier prophets difinitely were NOT Muslims as they did not observe Muslims’ practice. Yes they did believe in one God, but to say that they were Muslims is certainly generalising things too far. And not all the earlier prophets submitted to God!

 

[Hashi_Al-Eritre]

Reuben J:

And not all the earlier prophets submitted to God!

This is another major difference between Islam and Christianity. Muslims are obligated not to make any distinction between the Prophets and hold them all as servants of God and the best of mankind.

“Verily, those who disbelieve in Allâh and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allâh and His Messengers saying, “We believe in some but reject others,” and wish to adopt a way in between. They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment. And those who believe in Allâh and His Messengers and make no distinction between any of them (Messengers), We shall give them their rewards, and Allâh is Ever Oft*Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (An-Nisa 4:150-152)

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

Originally Posted by Joe Monahan
*Note - “Mohammedans” used to be heard used fairly commonly as an alternative name for those of the Muslim faith.

It has been explained above that Muslims reject this name, inasmuch as they do not worship Mohammed. This should not be difficult for Catholics to to understand; consider it to be somewhat analagous to the reaction of Catholics to being termed “papists”.

Out of respect for the sensibilities of our Muslim brethren, I’d ask that posters refrain from any further use of “Mohammedans” or “Muhammedans” to describe those of the Muslim faith.*
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