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Slayer
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Are there any good sites where it presents proof that Mohammed was a warlord? Muslims keep trying to whitewash Mohammed as I was wondering how I can refute them. Any good links would be much appreciated.
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Unitas
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This book is a biography of Mohammed from beginning to end, written by Robert Spencer. He uses only original sources that are considered authentic by all schools of Islamic jurisprudence. It’s quite enlightening.
For another point of view you can try to find the “Sirah,” the official biography of Mohammed as accepted by muslims as part of the sunnah.
For another point of view you can try to find the “Sirah,” the official biography of Mohammed as accepted by muslims as part of the sunnah.
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CentralFLJames
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It’s an established fact that he was a charismatic military leader and was especially ruthless to those that would not convert to his religion (basically convert & pay a tax or die) and to the Jews (originally controlling Mecca and Medina) for calling him a “false profit”. He would show mercy and compassion when it suited his interests but any who dared to speak out against him he openly called for their assassination or murder. His behavior is in severe contrast to Jesus’ character of compassion and mercy as well as even the most severe of Jewish leaders from thousands of years earlier. In all fairness those were extremely violent times where mercenaries and raiding were a fact of life - especially in Arabia.
This is all stated and implied in the Koran itself and in all the related traditions and practices. When one looks into it its pretty clear that he took bits and pieces of Christian & Judaic writings, co-mingled with popular Arabic mythology and synthesized an Arabic centric social system and religion. That he used as a motive to unite the warring Arabic tribes since it created a false moral basis for killing and plundering any tribe, family or person who would not go along with “his club.”
His revelations almost always came when he was in a state of epileptic fits. After he died (slowly food poisoned by a young Jewish slave woman in retribution for him beheading the male members of her family as his men forced her to watch) his “favorite wife” Aisha (married as a child at age 9) conveniently destroyed a lot of Mohammad’s most severe teachings about the treatment of women - claiming a “goat” wandered into the tent and ate his manuscripts.
Clever girls! The whole Islamic history would be comedic if it were not so deadly scary that it still survives and fundamentalism is sweeping its ranks and millions have died over the centuries fighting it.
A more charitable insight that is politically whitewashed and sterile is available on this Catholic Website.
James
This is all stated and implied in the Koran itself and in all the related traditions and practices. When one looks into it its pretty clear that he took bits and pieces of Christian & Judaic writings, co-mingled with popular Arabic mythology and synthesized an Arabic centric social system and religion. That he used as a motive to unite the warring Arabic tribes since it created a false moral basis for killing and plundering any tribe, family or person who would not go along with “his club.”
His revelations almost always came when he was in a state of epileptic fits. After he died (slowly food poisoned by a young Jewish slave woman in retribution for him beheading the male members of her family as his men forced her to watch) his “favorite wife” Aisha (married as a child at age 9) conveniently destroyed a lot of Mohammad’s most severe teachings about the treatment of women - claiming a “goat” wandered into the tent and ate his manuscripts.
Clever girls! The whole Islamic history would be comedic if it were not so deadly scary that it still survives and fundamentalism is sweeping its ranks and millions have died over the centuries fighting it.A more charitable insight that is politically whitewashed and sterile is available on this Catholic Website.
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EphelDuath
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With all due respect, that doesn’t prove anything. God commanded Joshua to execute thousands of people, so it’s not like a warlord identity is unique to Islam.
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CentralFLJames
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With all due respect - we just proved that we are in violent agreement in the mutual recognition that Mohammad was a warlord. All military leaders direct the killing of opposing forces.
Any moral judgement derived from what I have said is a separate topic.
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Jesusisgod
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Well said, CentralFLJames.
I agree with your very sensible conclusion. Muhammad is clearly condemned by the evidences of history and his own biography, and both are his death knell. Everything points to him as the pedophilic murderous rapist who lies through his teeth to get what he wants.
It is indeed a ‘miracle’ that there are so many blind asses today who believe in the criminal. Very sad but also very mind boggling and frightening.
biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
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I agree with your very sensible conclusion. Muhammad is clearly condemned by the evidences of history and his own biography, and both are his death knell. Everything points to him as the pedophilic murderous rapist who lies through his teeth to get what he wants.
It is indeed a ‘miracle’ that there are so many blind asses today who believe in the criminal. Very sad but also very mind boggling and frightening.
biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm
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CentralFLJames
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Thanks JesusIsGod,
I am also convinced that Mohammad’s god (small g), “Allah”, is the falsest of false gods; and is a deified projection or spiritual metaphor for Mohammad’s own immoral alter ego (he was clearly a delusional schizophrenic liar who changed his own teachings at whim to suit the circumstances). In fact Mohammad’s “revelations” always occurred situationally “just in time” as his men confronted him with how to resolve all the morally contradictory teachings (e.g. murdering and pillaging on so called “holy days”).
“Allah” is clearly NOT the same God of Abraham as Islamics claim any more so than God’s people are from Cain’s lineage (murders, false worshipers and insanely jealous).
Just as God always has condemned those who seek to subscribe divinity to man made gods and images God will annihilate any who try to subscribe to him actions through evil men and devils. God’s divine character will NOT be hijacked by Satan!
Islam was never a peaceful religion. It was all about morally justifying looting, pillaging, sex, power and other delusional pursuits of the flesh. Islam was at war with itself (Suni Shia) at the instant Mohammad died and all this common partners in crime fought among each other as to who would control the booty and loot and inherit the power. Since Mohammad has no succession plan nor wrote hardly anything down on paper (his men did hundreds of years later to keep the gang from killing itself in a sort of pirates code) it’s clear Mohammad was in it for himself and in his own lifetime.
Any that pander to Islam and claim that it was a peaceful religion that was hijacked by fundamentalists are woefully ignorant to its bloody history and lack of rationally consistent moral code. It has always been a religion of thieves and cutthroats and a religion that is specifically designed to appeal to the most debased of human appetites to recruit as many followers who refused to work for a living. If there is any question about God’s sentiments about Islam one only has to note that not a single Islamic country has been blessed with any significant lasting peace or wealth - most all are rocked with poverty and lack of peace. Those moderates that are doing relatively OK only do so out of shared blessings derived through cooperation with Christian nations.
Islam is a formula for completely searing God’s naturally given moral conscience from humanity and to completely remove rational thought and intellect from the human mind. Islam thus leaves the soul, stripped of any rational constraint of “will” to leave a corpus of programmed robots seeking only one thing - sensual pleasure, wealth and a paradise that can be nothing but hell. Clearly, Mohammad was a False Prophet and is fully of Satan’s stock. He shares no redeeming behavior in likeness of deed with Jesus or the Saints or the ancient Jewish prophets. Quite the contrary he looks to be an exact opposite - an Anti Christ.
For anyone to confuse Allah as the same God the Father of Jesus is to ascribe to God the character of Mohammad (a god who justifies being a: thief, murder, plunderer, rapist, liar, pedophile, trader of human flesh for sexual favors [with either sex], insanity, immoral and irrational mind). To compare Allah to the God of Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and all the prophets and saints is to claim God also loves the behavior of Satan.
Woe onto humanity and earth at the wrath and “hell on earth” that is coming through Islam and the False Prophet! Billions of souls will be lost. Given what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah or in the time of the flood can anyone not expect Divine Intervention for the atrocities committed by Islamics in God’s Holy Name?
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Yes, check out *answering islam *for one.
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paarsurrey
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I think that is not maintainable from Quran/Islam/Muhammad, and the poster has not understood the correct context of his concepts in Quran. I request him to research more and then he would realize Quran/Islam/Muhammad were very peaceful.
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CentralFLJames
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Hi paarsurrey,
I am pleased that you claim to be of a peaceful sect of Islamic tradition. Do you know that your preference for peace with Christians would be taken among the devout followers of Islam as apostasy that is deserving of death? Among the true teaching of Mohammad are the profoundly violent verses in the teachings and traditions of Mohammad (the Sira, Ta’rikh, Hadith, and Qur’an) that would make your Islamic “brothers” condemn you as a lazy Muslim deserving of death for not fighting the Christians?
What I say is entirely maintainable. I have performed all my own independent research as well as read other independent research from Islamic scholars; the very same few remaining rational Muslim men who are now coming to realize the horrible truth and falsehood about Islam’s genesis. If you are committed to knowing the truth about the so called prophet you entrust with your immortal soul you should read some of the references mentioned above (e.g. Prophet of Doom).
God has within himself the power to correct false religions and evil and transform them them into instruments that lead to his glory and good. But God will never find within his divine justice nor in his divine character the will to turn an outright lie into good. To do so would be for him to deny his Holy character and would be just like making Satan, the father of all lies, into God! The very thought is a blasphemy!
You seek to make a bridge of peace between Islam and Christianity from a perspective that is founded on a lie. That may sound good and Christlike and a thing Christians can at first instinct admire. But you must come to know that God will never bless that undertaking since there can never be peace between God and Satan.
You sound like a person who is at heart a loving and rational person. That is good since it means that there is still hope for you. Be forwarded that if you continue to study too deeply the invalid and deceitful precepts of Islam and obey its tenants it will consume you! It will turn you into the same vile creature as was Mohammad and his followers. Follow your reason and your true calling from God. Convert to Christianity while God still permits Jesus to extend his mercy on this earth. There is not much remaining time to seek God’s mercy and follow Jesus teaching. You have been warned.
I’ll pray for you.
James
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The bigotry in this topic is astounding.
Also, the moon god garbage needs to die in a fire. Vatican II says Muslims worship the same God we do. There is no serious archaeologist who would argue that “Allah was a pagan moon god” has any credibility at all.
Also, the moon god garbage needs to die in a fire. Vatican II says Muslims worship the same God we do. There is no serious archaeologist who would argue that “Allah was a pagan moon god” has any credibility at all.
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CentralFLJames
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The Vatican has never ratified any other religion but Catholicsm as the one true religion. You need to recognize what few official statements that Vatacan has made are done so to keep the peace for as long as we can to give time for conversions.
No Holy Father has ever spoken with the infallibility of the Holy Spirit under an ex cathedra ruling to acknowledgement “Allah” as a synonym for God.
The church is free to hijack pagan holidays and rename them into Christian concepts (e…g. Christmas, Easter etc.) but it may not hijack a false god, deify it and declare it is God. At the instant it does God will divorce himself from The Church and remove the impostor from the apostolic seat.
The bigotry you should see is to be found in the image of humanism that reflects in the mirror of your own wishful thinking. Peace at any price with the Devil is not acceptable to God. God wants clear choices to be made. Redefining God in Mohammad’s image and character is anathema and should be an affront to any Christian sensibility.
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Muslims worship the same God, no matter how much you’d like life to be that simple. The same God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Unless you’d like to claim our God is a false one as well.
They just worship in the wrong way, no different than Arians or Jehovah’s Witnesses. But while we’re still on the topic; you think Jews still worship the same God, right?
Or are they accidentally worshiping a different God? If so, then how do you know that we aren’t accidentally worshiping our saints?
On a final note: Jesus didn’t just help the Pharisees. He also helped the Sadducees, Samaritans and Romans. He was no bigot regarding religion, and neither should you be.
They just worship in the wrong way, no different than Arians or Jehovah’s Witnesses. But while we’re still on the topic; you think Jews still worship the same God, right?
Or are they accidentally worshiping a different God? If so, then how do you know that we aren’t accidentally worshiping our saints?
On a final note: Jesus didn’t just help the Pharisees. He also helped the Sadducees, Samaritans and Romans. He was no bigot regarding religion, and neither should you be.
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CentralFLJames
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By your humanist rationale The True Church, in order to keep the peace and unite humanity should lift its skirt and become a harlot in service to all the religions and deities of the world. In the name of peace or “humanity” you would find it fitting to separate the inhuman behaviors from all the false images of God and make all the faces just another image of the same One God. Under a perverse banner of peace you would surrender chastity for the pleasure of peace and make all the evil cults paying homage to false gods as just mistakes in their forms and intended recipients of worship. Cain made the same mistake about what was acceptable worship but at least he really knew who God was. But by your rationale you would find no inequity in permitting the evil and murdering cults of India’s “Kali” deity to live side by side with Christians by conditionally extending the synonym of “God”; if they only understood how to properly murder in a morally acceptable way among their own population! You would I suppose extend it as perfectly rational to equate the followers of “Beelzebub” as devotees to “God” as long as proper moral codes were publicly stated but not policed (e.g. sacrificing the children in the womb rather than out in public) and they paid their tithe and state tax.
Only the Apostle Paul was able to convert the indirect worship of a false god in that manner. He declared that worship to the unnamed god was akin to worshipping a God they did not know. But I doubt he would find it acceptable to call that statue “God” in blatant disregard to the corrupt moral code of those who worshiped it (ref. Acts 17:22-31). Was this a deception on Paul’s part and to be the new pattern in the plan The Church now contemplates with Islam? Do we think to hijack Islam and slowly make it into Christianity or do we transform Christianity into something “other”?
The Church already has its divine spiritual food in the body of Christ. It does not need to assimilate Islam by thinking to consume impure foods; as if to engorge itself by taking the errors of Islam into the belly of Christ’s Church. No, Islam seeks more pleasurable things to do with God’s Bride - but it’s looking below the belt to pleasure itself at our dishonor as it always has!
If the church thinks it can exorcise the devil from “the devil” and still have anything of a soul remaining to show for its labors then its deluding itself. Christians are sheep but Jesus does not turn them over to the wolves to be ravished and tupped. If some in the church think to seek a peace by sleeping with its mortal enemies then it is being as naive and as delusional as was Mohammad’s favorite child-wife Aisha. I bet she too in her childhood (marriage consummated at age 9) thought Mohammad loved her for anything more than his own pleasure. God already sent us his messiah and does not need to spawn another adopted messiah from the loins of Islam. Islam needs to bend its knees to God’s Son, Jesus, and acknowledge his lordship before they will be acceptable to God.
The Jews are tolerated in their obstinacy only because of God’s ancient promises and original covenant (which they have already broken). But they have a proper moral code and are so tolerated while there is hope.
As for your concluding remarks. Jesus helped the Pharisees and the Sadducees in the same manner that they thought they were doing their duty to scripture in turning Jesus over to the Romans for crucifixion (ref.A Kabbalistic Reinterpretation of The Crucifixion of Jesus ).
If Islam does not renounce itself and convert then The Church can only use Islam in the same manner. And that is for Islam to become the antagonist that ushers in the Tribulation that establishes the final triumph of good over evil and Heaven on Earth. Now that is exactly the same pattern of Justice that God has always shown - making something good come out of something evil.
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paarsurrey
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Muhammad was never like a warlord to amass wealth and power. He was never like that. I have studied the Bible, he was very much like Noah, Abraham or Moses. He worshipped GodAllahYHWH and wanted that his fellow human being should also worship GodAllahYHWH to improve their character. He was a peaceful person who never wanted to harm anybody.
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[10:15] Then, We made you their successors in the earth after them that We might see how you would act.
[10:16] And when Our clear Signs are recited unto them, those who hope not for the meeting with Us say, ‘Bring a Qur’an other than this or change it.’ Say, ‘It is not for me to change it of my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed, I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the punishment of an awful day.’
[10:17] Say, ‘If Allah had so willed, I should not have recited it to you, nor would I have made it known to you. I have indeed lived a whole lifetime before this. Will you not then understand?’
[10:18] Who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah or he who treats His Signs as lies? Surely, the guilty shall never prosper.
[10:19] And they worship, instead of Allah, that which neither harms them nor profits them; and they say,'These are our intercessors with Allah. Say, 'Do you presume to inform Allah what He knows not in the heavens or in the earth? Glory be to Him! High be He exalted above all that which they associate with Him.
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I don’t believe that such a nice person could be termed as warlord. I think the poster has a misconception.
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Muhammad was never like a warlord to amass wealth and power. He was never like that. I have studied the Bible, he was very much like Noah, Abraham or Moses. He worshipped GodAllahYHWH and wanted that his fellow human being should also worship GodAllahYHWH to improve their character. He was a peaceful person who never wanted to harm anybody.
Quran
[10:15] Then, We made you their successors in the earth after them that We might see how you would act.
[10:16] And when Our clear Signs are recited unto them, those who hope not for the meeting with Us say, ‘Bring a Qur’an other than this or change it.’ Say, ‘It is not for me to change it of my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed, I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the punishment of an awful day.’
[10:17] Say, ‘If Allah had so willed, I should not have recited it to you, nor would I have made it known to you. I have indeed lived a whole lifetime before this. Will you not then understand?’
[10:18] Who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah or he who treats His Signs as lies? Surely, the guilty shall never prosper.
[10:19] And they worship, instead of Allah, that which neither harms them nor profits them; and they say,'These are our intercessors with Allah. Say, 'Do you presume to inform Allah what He knows not in the heavens or in the earth? Glory be to Him! High be He exalted above all that which they associate with Him.
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I don’t believe that such a nice person could be termed as warlord. I think the poster has a misconception.
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CentralFLJames
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I wish you were correct but you do not know your own Koran and related manuscripts very well. Read the following few example verses of the many hundreds that talke about raiding peaceful fellow Arab and Jewish tribes to steal their merchandise, wealth, take their wives and livestock for pleasure and use.
Ishaq:288 “Allah divided the booty stolen from the first caravan after he made spoils permissible. He gave four-fifths to those He had allowed to take it and one-fifth to His Apostle.”
Ishaq:289 “Muhammad summoned the Muslims and said, 'This is the Quraysh caravan containing their property. Go out and attack it. Perhaps Allah will give it to us as prey.”
Tabari VII:29 “Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of the Quraysh were returning from Syria following the coastal road. When Allah’s Apostle heard about them he called his companions together and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Sufyan and the men with him. They did not think that this raid would be anything other than easy booty.”
Bukhari:V5B59N702 “Allah did not admonish anyone who had not participated in the Ghazwa [raid] of Badr, for in fact, Allah’s Apostle had only gone out in search of the Quraysh caravan so that he could rob it. But Allah arranged for the Muslims and their enemy to meet by surprise. I was at the Aqabah pledge with Allah’s Apostle when we gave our lives in submission, but the Badr battle is more popular amongst the people. I was never stronger or wealthier than I was when I followed the Prophet on a Ghazwa.’”
Qur’an 8:7 “Behold! Allah promised you that one of the two parties would be yours. You wished for the unarmed one, but Allah willed to justify His truth according to His words and to cut off the roots [kill] of the unbelievers.”
Ishaq:300/Tabari VII:55 “Allah’s Messenger went out to his men and incited them to fight. He promised, ‘Every man may keep all the booty he takes.’ Then Muhammad said, ‘By Allah, if any man fights today and is killed fighting aggressively, going forward and not retreating, Allah will cause him to enter Paradise.’”
Ishaq:301/Tabari VII:56 “As the Muslims were laying their hands on as many prisoners as they could catch, the Prophet, I have been told, saw disapproval in the face of Sa’d. He said, ‘Why are you upset by the taking of captives.’ Sa’d replied, ‘This was the first defeat inflicted by Allah on the infidels. Slaughtering the prisoners would have been more pleasing to me than sparing them.’”
There are hundreds more violent examples of killing prisoners and stealing from merchant caravans etc.
I don’t think you have studied your history of Mohammad very well…
James
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sanreal
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Hello James,
I was just going through your messages and couldn’t help but disagree with most of what you’re saying.
I am dissapointed in paarsurrey not responding to you himself but I guess that just made me want to post more.
What I mostly dislike about the way you post your thoughts is that you (and don’t worry a lot of others try to argue in this manner) take the part of killing infidels and looting and such completely out of context.
What you must take into account is that during the time those verses were recorded, the people of mekka were on the brink of war with the so-called disbelievers (The Mushriks/ pagans) at that time.
What I want to do is start by explaining that at the beginning of the first verse it is explained that they had just made a treaty between the muslims and the Pagans of Mekka.
Quote: "Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty ", The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 9, Verse 1
In the next verse the Mekkans are given four months to work out their differences with the Pagans or they will declare war.
Quote: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful.” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 9, Verse 5
Now if you would read it in this context you might not be so judging of Muhammad, yes he was a warlord but that was because at that time it was required of him to be. Now instead of discrediting him as a person, look at the work he has done as a prophet and the messages he conveyed and judge those.
To further strengthen my point, the Quran even commands that if a person seeks asylum he is to be escorted to a place of security.
Quote: “If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 9, Verse 6
The Quran also forbids (I can even omitt “needless”) killing.
Quote: "Whosoever kills a human being for other than Murder or Creating Mischief in the Land, it is as if he had killed the whole of Human Kind and whoso saved the life of one as if he has saved the life of all Mankind The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 5, Verse 12
I wonder if I’ll get an email as soon as you reply, I hope so, else I might even forget I posted here.
Lex
I was just going through your messages and couldn’t help but disagree with most of what you’re saying.
I am dissapointed in paarsurrey not responding to you himself but I guess that just made me want to post more.
What I mostly dislike about the way you post your thoughts is that you (and don’t worry a lot of others try to argue in this manner) take the part of killing infidels and looting and such completely out of context.
What you must take into account is that during the time those verses were recorded, the people of mekka were on the brink of war with the so-called disbelievers (The Mushriks/ pagans) at that time.
What I want to do is start by explaining that at the beginning of the first verse it is explained that they had just made a treaty between the muslims and the Pagans of Mekka.
Quote: "Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty ", The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 9, Verse 1
In the next verse the Mekkans are given four months to work out their differences with the Pagans or they will declare war.
Quote: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful.” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 9, Verse 5
Now if you would read it in this context you might not be so judging of Muhammad, yes he was a warlord but that was because at that time it was required of him to be. Now instead of discrediting him as a person, look at the work he has done as a prophet and the messages he conveyed and judge those.
To further strengthen my point, the Quran even commands that if a person seeks asylum he is to be escorted to a place of security.
Quote: “If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 9, Verse 6
The Quran also forbids (I can even omitt “needless”) killing.
Quote: "Whosoever kills a human being for other than Murder or Creating Mischief in the Land, it is as if he had killed the whole of Human Kind and whoso saved the life of one as if he has saved the life of all Mankind The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 5, Verse 12
I wonder if I’ll get an email as soon as you reply, I hope so, else I might even forget I posted here.
Lex
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CentralFLJames
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Lex this is a very old discussion topic that I participated in over 2 years ago.
I am not interested in contributing to this topic anymore.
Mohammad was an orphan who slaughtered the only family he knew - the tribe of his uncle and was violent ever since. The Jews were in control of Mecca and Medina and called Mohammad a false prophet and rejected his call to join his new religion. That rejection and their economic power is why Mohammad later came back to kill them all.
I have no more to say here and am unsubscribing from this topic discussion.
James
I am not interested in contributing to this topic anymore.
Mohammad was an orphan who slaughtered the only family he knew - the tribe of his uncle and was violent ever since. The Jews were in control of Mecca and Medina and called Mohammad a false prophet and rejected his call to join his new religion. That rejection and their economic power is why Mohammad later came back to kill them all.
I have no more to say here and am unsubscribing from this topic discussion.
James
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planten
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I have just seen this thread for the first time and I was shocked to note the amount of lies that the Catholics could spread against the Prophet Muhammad. Muhammad never uttered a bad word against Jesus or his mother or his disciples. The bibleNT accuses the disciples of Jesus of running away at the time of need. But Quran says that they supported Jesus all the way and they were steadfast.
The OP (Slayer) had not appeared again. What use was all the venom spewed against Islam and the messenger of God !! It only showed the blind hatred of the christians and surely it was an un-Catholic behaviour. James was attacking by way of some Hadith and distorting the history completely. Whatever James had written was absolutely false and now James is passing off from this discussion, finding it a difficult job to support his unholy claims.
There were some good posts of my friend Paarsurrey (who was banned). Also some courage and truth from sanreal and a catholic friend (EphelDuath was a kind and christian person). They presented the truth and supported the good things. May Allah bless them all wherever they are.
The OP (Slayer) had not appeared again. What use was all the venom spewed against Islam and the messenger of God !! It only showed the blind hatred of the christians and surely it was an un-Catholic behaviour. James was attacking by way of some Hadith and distorting the history completely. Whatever James had written was absolutely false and now James is passing off from this discussion, finding it a difficult job to support his unholy claims.
There were some good posts of my friend Paarsurrey (who was banned). Also some courage and truth from sanreal and a catholic friend (EphelDuath was a kind and christian person). They presented the truth and supported the good things. May Allah bless them all wherever they are.
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