Tell me this then, if they profess the faith of Abraham, who do we profess, not indeed the same faith of Abraham?
They say they profess the faith of Abraham, we SAY we PROFESS the faith of Abraham, now who did Abraham worship? Was it not GOD the CREATOR OF HEAVEN and EARTH? Is not that the same GOD we worship.
Again with this attempt at bringing up red-herrings- Who here is arguing about whether or not Muslims worship God? Certainly not me. I’m saying their FAITH is not ours or Abraham’s- it’s Mohammed’s interpretation of what he thought Abraham’s faith was.
And No- Merely worshipping the one and only God does not amount to holding the same faith- That would be the very definition of relativism if I ever heard one. There are more than 10 faiths that proclaim One, eternal, omnipotent Creator- That does not mean that Judaism is the same faith as Islam as Zoroastrianism as Christianity as ancient Chinese religion or indegionous African monotheistic religions, just because they all worship the one creator through their many different belief systems.
Now lets talk about putting words in the mouth of the CCC. You explain this to me how can we TOGETHER worship the one true God.
Also if I am wrong please explain this:
Quote Vatican The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims, They worship GOD who is ONE, Living and Subsistent merciful and Almighty the creator of heaven and earth who has also spoken to humanity. They endeavor to submit themsleves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God JUST as Abraham submittted himself to Gods plan to whose faith Muslims eargerly link their own. Unquote.
Excuse me- which “decrees” are these of God? Every faith has decrees that they claim come from God and they endeavor to obey- Do they all indeed come from God and are they all the same? Your quotation clearly says that Muslims
endeavour to submit like Abraham and that they “
eagerly seek to link” their faith to Abraham’s faith. English may not be my first language but I clearly see there the church, once more, simply acknowledging what Muslims are factually doing, which is trying to follow the faith they believe is Abraham’s- Nowhere does the church say that they are actually following the faith of Abraham.
Now how can we hold them in high regard, if they worship a false god? How can they worship God who is One if he is not the One True God. How can they submit themself the same as Father Abraham did then? Are you saying Abraham had a different God? then do we also?
Again, this false dispute you’re introducing here has already been addressed- it’s a red-herring. I have nowhere argued that Muslims don’t worship the one God. I don’t get why you need to insist on this- It’s not about which God they worship, it’s about which FAITH they hold- And it is not Abraham’s. Again showing me just ONE place where the Church says that they do in fact hold Abraham’s faith and don’t just “seek” to hold it or to link themselves with it will go a long way towards ending this debate.
Abraham had ONE TRUE GOD, the same as we do. the same as muslims do.
I don’t get what is so difficult to get here. Are you saying that anyone who worships the one true God has the same FAITH? So Islam is the same faith as Judaism as Christianity as Bahaism as Zoroastrianism as African Indegenious religion as ancient Chinese religion etc etc? Anyone who acknowledges One eternal omnipotent Creator and God worships the One true God- They however, do not hold the same FAITH on that account alone.
After all, even St. Paul acknowledged In the BIBLE that the Greek pagans were also worshipping the true God without knowing it. I’d love to hear the argument that then concludes that the Greek pagan religion was the same faith as Abraham’s simply on that account.
