Mohammed / What our Catholic School is teaching.

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I asked on the “Ask the Apologist” forum but really would like some info tonight.
My child’s Catholic School (jr. high) is teaching that Mohammed was the last prophet - not just the “prophet of Islam”, but a real prophet like John the Baptist, etc.

Can someone point me to some documentation that explains what Christians/Catholics believe about Mohammed?
 
The Church teaches the God’s revelation to us (of new knowledge) was closed at the death of the last Apostle, so I don’t see how any Cathlic could repeat what Iam teaches about Mohammed’s being a prophet.

Moreover, the apparition he claims to have seen has not been investigated by the Church and Mohammed taught heresy, so all in all, no, Mohammed is in no way any sort of prophet.

It sounds like this Catholic school Might have gotten hold of some materials by CAIR.
 
I believe he is refering to the Council of American-Islamic Relations
 
catechizeme said:
I asked on the “Ask the Apologist” forum but really would like some info tonight.
My child’s Catholic School (jr. high) is teaching that Mohammed was the last prophet - not just the “prophet of Islam”, but a real prophet like John the Baptist, etc.

Can someone point me to some documentation that explains what Christians/Catholics believe about Mohammed?
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According to Islam that is true. I don’t understand the context, and must rely on your post that does not give enough information to digest.

You seem to be very troubled over this.

Are you upset that they are teaching your child, about other Abrahamic beliefs that are not yours?

Why?
 
Instead of getting upset, I suggest you use this as an opportunity to teach your child what the Catholic view of Islam is.

Your child is in junior high. Soon it will be high school, and then off to university. Your child needs a firm grounding in what your family’s beliefs are, but also to be able to be exposed to the beliefs of others, and to be able to defend his/her beliefs against others in the real world.

Too many kids today are not taught their faith, how to defend their faith, or how to deal with other faiths and then they end up converting to another faith or turning to atheism/agnosticism because they’re too confused to see what Truth is.
 
StrawberryJam said:
According to Islam that is true. I don’t understand the context, and must rely on your post that does not give enough information to digest.

You seem to be very troubled over this.

Are you upset that they are teaching your child, about other Abrahamic beliefs that are not yours?

Why?
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Not to answer for the OP, but I’d be upset that a catholic school is teaching error. Pretty simple.
 
It could possibly dispel any fear that Islam that may have, it is also quite healthy to be both taught their own faith along with other faiths - and I am taking this in a teacher’s POV (being a student-teacher) - because then they would be able go out after graduation and not be afraid of people just because of their religion, or meet and befriend people of other faiths, learn from them on how they follow their faith and vice versa.

At my University there is a obvious Islamic presence (with a equally Christian presence too), but I have befriended a few Islamic girls and we have discussed to the differences in our faiths. And I remember the times before 11 Sept, and the whole Islamic terrorist stuff, so it doesn’t affect me as much, as a much younger person would, who would have been bombarded that Islamic people are terrorists, no thanks to the media, government etc. They would be too afraid to even talk to them.

I am only putting that idea out there 🤷
 
Catholicism definitely does not consider Muhammad to be a prophet. It may be that your child misunderstood or misremembered what was said, but if not his teacher is definitely wrong on this point.
StrawberryJam said:
According to Islam that is true. I don’t understand the context, and must rely on your post that does not give enough information to digest.

You seem to be very troubled over this.

Are you upset that they are teaching your child, about other Abrahamic beliefs that are not yours?

Why?
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This was not addressed at me, but I’m going to pull a “random guy on the internet” thing and respond anyway.

There’s nothing wrong with teaching a kid about other religions/worldviews, so long as he is ready. But this is not what the OP says is happening. The OP says that the school is teaching that the statement “Mohammed is the most recent prophet” is true. Catholics don’t believe this (or rather, the Church doesn’t teach this - individual (and even large groups) of Catholics can be confused. But even so, I have never met one quiet that confused).

And we believe what we believe because we actually believe it, so really I could have simply written “this is false” instead of “Catholics don’t believe this,” and would have still had a statement that is true (that I believe to be true, but again, since I believe it because I believe it…).

Taking all that together, the problem with a situation of this sort is essentially that you have a Catholic School teaching - as part of Catholicism, and hence as truth since it is a Catholic School - something that is not only not part of Catholicism, but contrary to Catholicism. And to make things that much worse, they’re teaching it to children whose parents trust the school to teach their children authentic Catholicism - hence the school would be accepting part of the parents’ responsibility and then more or less (partially) failing at it.

Of course, if this is a misunderstanding and the school is not trying to teach this, then none of what I just said applies. But if not, there is an issue.
 
I suspect your child was taught that, according to Islam, Muhammad was the last prophet, and misheard, misremembered or misreported that. Another possibility – many Catholic schools have a fair number of Muslim students. Perhaps a teacher responded to something a Muslim student said by saying “but don’t you believe that Muhammad was the last prophet?” or something like that. I can’t imagine any context in which any teacher in a Catholic school would make that statement outside of a discussion about Islam, or present it as a teaching of the Catholic church.
 
catechizeme said:
I asked on the “Ask the Apologist” forum but really would like some info tonight.
My child’s Catholic School (jr. high) is teaching that Mohammed was the last prophet - not just the “prophet of Islam”, but a real prophet like John the Baptist, etc.

Can someone point me to some documentation that explains what Christians/Catholics believe about Mohammed?
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I can’t give u documentation but Jesus to Catholics was the last and final prophet.Revelation has been completed.Apparitions of course aren’t considered prophets.That’s strange that your child’s teacher is teaching that.We follow no teachings of the koran.Are you sure your child isn’t confused ?This teacher is a Catholic i presume.
 
catechizeme said:
I asked on the “Ask the Apologist” forum but really would like some info tonight.
My child’s Catholic School (jr. high) is teaching that Mohammed was the last prophet - not just the “prophet of Islam”, but a real prophet like John the Baptist, etc.

Can someone point me to some documentation that explains what Christians/Catholics believe about Mohammed?
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This is an obvious intrusion by the CAIR organization. Their authority isn’t suppose to extend itself to places like Catholic Schools.

Catholicism and Islam have a long history of violence and oppression; particularly on the side of Islam. You’ll note that, currently, today, the Catholic Church has remained quiet when it involves matters of Islam. The thing is that it is a fact that we Christians cannot and will not tolerate Muslims for the many horrid things they impose on others in our Modern societies. For one, Sharia Law dictates a great many humiliating evils which would be bestowed upon us, Catholics and Christians (of all denominations), as a part of their dhimmitude.

The fact is that Christians, every Christian, in the world, even, despises Islam, wether they want to agree to it or not; because by not doing so, they agree to the evils Islam imposes, which means:

-No female rights
-No singing in church
-No preaching
-Providing Muslims special care; which even the richest Christian would not receive.
-No ringing church bells.
-Heads must be shaved (Like the Jews from the 1940s under Nazi rule)
-Christians and Jews must wear only humiliating clothes
-No Homosexuals are allowed to live
-Anyone outside the Dhimmitude (which constitutes Christians and Jews and a few other faiths) must die. (That means atheists are suppose to die under Islamic rule)
-Then there’s the special taxes for being Christian at all. (So you have regular taxes and “special” taxes for being Christian or Jewish)

So it is my opinion that you can’t be a Christian and agree with Islam.

The church needs to hold it’s schools like that priest in the philippines holds his church; with an iron fist. Muhammad is no prophet to us; especially when in the al-aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, in the direction of the Holy Sepulcher it’s written in Arabic, to mock us followers of Christ’s true church on Earth, “God has no son”.

For many people, even people here, they will say,“But MontChevalier, we must not encourage hatred.”

Well that’s true, we shouldn’t. But I say,“God created hatred, so we can hate evil.”

-MontChevalier
 
And yet…I have a Catholic “handbook” which says to respect other religions…that is going by the Vatican II teachings…
Catholics are to respect preserve, and promote the spiritual and moral good found in all religions as well as the values in their society and culture. (CCC 2104)
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Men look to their different religions for an answer to the unsolved riddles of human existence…The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions. (CCC 816, 830, 842-843)
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But it just seems to all go out the window when it comes to anything Islamic, doesn’t? 🤷

EDIT: Quotes from “The Essential Catholic Handbook” and is a Redemptorist Pastoral Publication.
 
MontChevalier said:
This is an obvious intrusion by the CAIR organization. Their authority isn’t suppose to extend itself to places like Catholic Schools.

Catholicism and Islam have a long history of violence and oppression; particularly on the side of Islam. You’ll note that, currently, today, the Catholic Church has remained quiet when it involves matters of Islam. The thing is that it is a fact that we Christians cannot and will not tolerate Muslims for the many horrid things they impose on others in our Modern societies. For one, Sharia Law dictates a great many humiliating evils which would be bestowed upon us, Catholics and Christians (of all denominations), as a part of their dhimmitude.

The fact is that Christians, every Christian, in the world, even, despises Islam, wether they want to agree to it or not; because by not doing so, they agree to the evils Islam imposes, which means:

-No female rights
-No singing in church
-No preaching
-Providing Muslims special care; which even the richest Christian would not receive.
-No ringing church bells.
-Heads must be shaved (Like the Jews from the 1940s under Nazi rule)
-Christians and Jews must wear only humiliating clothes
-No Homosexuals are allowed to live
-Anyone outside the Dhimmitude (which constitutes Christians and Jews and a few other faiths) must die. (That means atheists are suppose to die under Islamic rule)
-Then there’s the special taxes for being Christian at all. (So you have regular taxes and “special” taxes for being Christian or Jewish)

So it is my opinion that you can’t be a Christian and agree with Islam.

The church needs to hold it’s schools like that priest in the philippines holds his church; with an iron fist. Muhammad is no prophet to us; especially when in the al-aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, in the direction of the Holy Sepulcher it’s written in Arabic, to mock us followers of Christ’s true church on Earth, “God has no son”.

For many people, even people here, they will say,“But MontChevalier, we must not encourage hatred.”

Well that’s true, we shouldn’t. But I say,“God created hatred, so we can hate evil.”

-MontChevalier
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The number of outright lies and fabrications in this one post is probably greater than the number of suras in the Quran. Impressive.
 
Iron_Donkey said:
Catholicism definitely does not consider Muhammad to be a prophet. It may be that your child misunderstood or misremembered what was said, but if not his teacher is definitely wrong on this point.

This was not addressed at me, but I’m going to pull a “random guy on the internet” thing and respond anyway.

There’s nothing wrong with teaching a kid about other religions/worldviews, so long as he is ready. But this is not what the OP says is happening. The OP says that the school is teaching that the statement “Mohammed is the most recent prophet” is true. Catholics don’t believe this (or rather, the Church doesn’t teach this - individual (and even large groups) of Catholics can be confused. But even so, I have never met one quiet that confused).

And we believe what we believe because we actually believe it, so really I could have simply written “this is false” instead of “Catholics don’t believe this,” and would have still had a statement that is true (that I believe to be true, but again, since I believe it because I believe it…).

Taking all that together, the problem with a situation of this sort is essentially that you have a Catholic School teaching - as part of Catholicism, and hence as truth since it is a Catholic School - something that is not only not part of Catholicism, but contrary to Catholicism. And to make things that much worse, they’re teaching it to children whose parents trust the school to teach their children authentic Catholicism - hence the school would be accepting part of the parents’ responsibility and then more or less (partially) failing at it.

Of course, if this is a misunderstanding and the school is not trying to teach this, then none of what I just said applies. But if not, there is an issue.
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Thank you “random guy on the internet”. 🙂 You said many things I would have. The problem is, this teacher does not appear to just be teaching about other religions - which I have no problem with at all - but rather teaching them about other religions in a way that does not align with Catholicism, basically stating that “Mohammed was a prophet, although Catholics don’t believe that”. Now, it could be her intent was to simply convey that other religions believe other things, but she didn’t convey that well. My child is fairly well-versed in Catholicism, and actually pointed out that Christians/Catholics believe revelation ended with the last Apostle - but the teacher still came back with “well, that is what Catholics believe, but he was a prophet”. The teacher is new and young, so it could be she got a bit confused and perhaps in over her head and didn’t research this topic well enough to teach it properly. I am talking with her today to learn, from her perspective, what she said and what she was trying to convey, and to ask her to clarify her teaching from a Catholic perspective since, as you said so well, “random guy”, this is a Catholic School and I expect them to convey authentic Catholicism without questioning it or implying relativism by saying “well, that is what Catholics believe…” with a questioning tone. I feel very comfortable talking to this teacher so I’m sure the conversation will go well, and I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt that she didn’t intend to mislead the kids, just perhaps didn’t teach her lesson plan in the best way for this age group.
 
Just had a thought, is this teacher a regular teacher at the school? Or was she just a relief/substitute teacher? Was just thinking while I was reading the previous post, that maybe this teacher was just a relief and didn’t really know what she was saying - I have had a few relief teachers like that when I was in high school…yep, final year of High School, got a relief teacher for History - who taught us nothing.
 
catechizeme said:
…My child’s Catholic School (jr. high) is teaching that Mohammed was the last prophet - not just the “prophet of Islam”, but a real prophet like John the Baptist, etc.

Can someone point me to some documentation that explains what Christians/Catholics believe about Mohammed?
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The school may be a Catholic school; not all that is taught in a Catholic school is Catechism. There can be a discussion on your school’s above alleged teaching ONLY if the subject taught was Catechism.
 
Well, a prophet is a person who claim to have revelations from God. I am sure the Bible and the Church agree with this definition. But they also point out that there are true and false prophets.
 
St_Francis said:
The Church teaches the God’s revelation to us (of new knowledge) was closed at the death of the last Apostle, …
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How come we have so many charismatic prophets regularly prophesying in our churches?

Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,] and to still another the interpretation of tongues. (1Cor 12:7-11)
 
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