Mohammed

[rinnie]

Most of the Jews were not righteous people even in the life of Prophet Moses. Moreover, they were aware of a Prophet to come after Prophet Moses and they were waiting for him.

Quran 61: 5. And remember, Moses said to his people: “O my people! why do ye vex and insult me though ye know that I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you?” Then when they went wrong, Allah let their hearts go wrong: for Allah guides not those who are rebellious transgressors.

Quran 7: 138. We took the Children of Israel (with safety) across the sea. They came upon a people devoted entirely to some idols they had. They said: “O Moses! fashion for us a god like unto the gods they have.” He said: "surely ye are a people without knowledge.

Quran 4:160-161. For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;― in that they hindered many from Allah’s way.― That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men’s substance wrongfully;― We have prepared for those among them who reject Faith a grievous punishment.

Quran 2:87. We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not ye, are puffed up with pride? ―Some ye called impostors and others ye slay!

So what about you, why do you think God sent Jesus even though the Jews were worshiping the One True God as you said? Is it to cancel the Law of Moses and declare himself as god?

Quran 3: 48-51. "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel. "And (appoint him) an Messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay as it were the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave; and I heal those born blind, and the lepers and I quicken the dead by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe. "(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me. “It is Allah who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a way that is straight.”

If you are asking the question of me, here is my answer

Jesus comming had nothing to do with the Jews not worshiping the One True God, From what I can see the Jews never worshiped a false god.

And yes there were good Jews and Bad Jews. Just like Christians of today. Many live the word of God and preach it. Others only preach it do not practice what they preach. See thats where that saying came from , the N.T. the bad Jews Just kidding

But Jesus did not come because of the worshiping of false gods, Jesus came as promised to the Jews the Chosen People to free them from sin.

When Adam and Eve sinned we all inherited Original sin, with this we could not get into heaven. Even Father Abraham could not enter heaven until Jesus free them all from it. That is where Jesus went after his death, he opened up heaven and they were free from his sin, by his death he paid for all sins. Original sin was wiped off the map. That is when he realeased all of the souls in the O.T.

But our sin is what Jesus paid for so we could have eternal life in Christ. He took away death by his death on the Cross.

Now when we die if we are made worhty we will enter into eternal life with Christ and all the angels and saints etc our brothers and sisters in tthis world who died etc.

But original sin is what Christ took away, and by the Sacraments made it possible for us to be free of all Actual sin also…

Actual is the sin we commit today.

 

[Trebor135]

But why would we need so many explanations of the trinity? isn’t that confusing?

Christians also admit that the trinity is not an easy thing to explain. Doesn’t the Bible say that “God is not the author of confusion”?

For Muslims to say that God is One, they mean it, and it is easily understood because God is One and no buts!

For Christians, God is One, **but ** also Three!

God had to reveal the trinity to us because he came into the world as a man. Understanding the trinity clarifies how God can be invisible (as the Jews believed) and invisible as well as visible (as Christians believe).

An idea can be hard to understand, but this fact doesn’t mean that the concept is incorrect.

In Islam, (1) God has always existed.

(2) He can make himself present anywhere in the universe.

(3) God can do anything he wishes.

(4) He uses perfect justice in his decisions.

(5) God knows everything about his creation.

Can humans really understand these five ideas? No.

But does the existence of difficult concepts mean that they are automatically false? No.

 

[jlhargus]

and the fact is that neither the Quran nor the Bible mentioned anything of Jesus being God, and Jesus himslef insisted in different occasions that God is greater than him.

JL: That may be the fact for Quran but you are in error saying it’s a fact in the Bible. In my previous post #78, I have posted were the Word of God calls Christ God. Here is the link forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9148103&postcount=78

You will have to show me the New Testament scriptures where Christ INSISTS, in different occasions, that GOD is greater than Him? Christ did say the Father is greater but He did not say God was greater.

[Jn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.]

Christ has two natures He is both man and God. Christ is speaking of his humanity not of his divinity. A father is always greater than his son. Even if the father is a derelict and the son a king. The father is greater by virtue of his fatherhood. Both are equal in their NATURE as they are both human. Christ is equal to the Father and the Holy Spirit as they have the SAME NATURE that nature is God. God is three persons in ONE BEING=nature. That one being or nature is GOD.

ALLAH, GOD. [Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But **UNTO THE SON HE SAITH, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.] ALLAH=God one of the 99 Islamic names of God and Jesus my Lord and my God.

AL HAQQ, TRUTH. [John 14:6 JESUS SAITH unto him, ** I AM the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.] AL HAQQ one of the 99 Islamic names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God.

AL BA’ ITH The RESURRECTION [John11:25 Jesus said unto her, **I AM THE RESURRECTION, and THE LIFE: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:] AL BA’ ITH one of the 99 Islamic names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God.

AL AWWAL and AL AKHIR . the FIRST, the LAST [Rv22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, **THE FIRST AND THE LAST.] AL AWWAL and AL AKHER, first and last. AL AWWAL the FIRST one of the 99 names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God. AL AKHIR the LAST one of the 99 Islamic names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God.

AL MALEK, KING. [Rv7:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and **KING OF KINGS: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.] AL MALEK, King one of the 99 Islamic names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God.

AL NUR, the LIGHT Jesus said in [John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, **I am THE LIGHT of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.] AL NUR, the light one of the 99 Islamic names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God.

CONTINUED;

 

[Trebor135]

Most of the Jews were not righteous people even in the life of Prophet Moses. Moreover, they were aware of a Prophet to come after Prophet Moses and they were waiting for him.

Quran 61: 5. And remember, Moses said to his people: “O my people! why do ye vex and insult me though ye know that I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you?” Then when they went wrong, Allah let their hearts go wrong: for Allah guides not those who are rebellious transgressors.

Quran 7: 138. We took the Children of Israel (with safety) across the sea. They came upon a people devoted entirely to some idols they had. They said: “O Moses! fashion for us a god like unto the gods they have.” He said: "surely ye are a people without knowledge.

Quran 4:160-161. For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;― in that they hindered many from Allah’s way.― That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men’s substance wrongfully;― We have prepared for those among them who reject Faith a grievous punishment.

Quran 2:87. We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not ye, are puffed up with pride? ―Some ye called impostors and others ye slay!

So what about you, why do you think God sent Jesus even though the Jews were worshiping the One True God as you said? Is it to cancel the Law of Moses and declare himself as god?

Quran 3: 48-51. "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel. "And (appoint him) an Messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay as it were the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave; and I heal those born blind, and the lepers and I quicken the dead by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe. "(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me. “It is Allah who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a way that is straight.”

God loves us more than we can love each other. But God also cannot accept our sinful behaviour.

So, two thousand years ago, God could decide to ignore sin forever or he could destroy his disobedient creatures once and for all.

But God loves us, so he chose a third path. He came into the world as a man, lived a perfect life, brought a lot of great teachings, healed a lot of sick people, spent time with members of society who everyone else despised.

He also accepted being tortured and crucified in order to heal our relationship with God. Believing in and following Jesus brings us the grace that is necessary to please God and overcome sin.

 

[jlhargus]

CONTINUED;

AL ‘AZIZ, the MIGHTY [Isaiah 9:6 For **unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.] AL ‘AZIZ, mighty one of the 99 Islamic names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God. Only God the Son was born and became flesh the Son and Father and Holy Spirit are ONE MIGHTY GOD.

AL KHALIQ, the CREATOR. [Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath **translated us into THE KINGDOM OF HIS DEAR SON: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For BY HIM WERE ALL THING CREATED, that are IN HEAVEN, and that are IN EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And HE IS BEFORE ALL THING, and BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST.] AL KHALIQ, creator one of the 99 Islamic names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God.

AL GAFFAR, the FORGIVER. [Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath **translated us into THE KINGDOM OF HIS DEAR SON: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, EVEN THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS: 15 Who is THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For BY HIM WERE ALL THING CREATED, that are IN HEAVEN, and that are IN EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And HE IS BEFORE ALL THING, and BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST.] ALGAFFAR, forgiver one of the 99 Islamic names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God. It is only by the BLOOD OF JESUS that we have forgiveness of sins.

AL QAHHAR the SUBDUER. [1Corinthians 15:28 And **when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall **the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.] AL QAHHAR , subdue one of the 99 Islamic names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God.

MALIK UL MULK, OWNER OF THE KINGDOM [2Peter 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the EVERLASTING KINGDOM OF our Lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST.] MALIK UL MULK, owner of the kingdom one of the 99 Islamic names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God.

AL WARITH, THE ULTIMATE INHERITOR. [Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by **HIS SON, whom he hath appointed HEIR OF ALL THINGS, by whom also he made the worlds;] AL WARITH, the ultimate inheritor one of the 99 Islamic names of Allah=God and Jesus my Lord and my God. No one can be an heir apart from the ultimate inheritor Jesus.

 

[Amoon]

Christ taught that no one can go the Father without going thru the Son. Simply because the Son and God are one.

The first sentence might be the word of Jesus, but the second is yours! Because Jesus said no one can go to God without him, he must be god! I can say that I cannot be saved if I don’t follow the path of Mohammed, but that doesn’t make Mohammed God.

If Jesus was god, he would have said that clearly. There is no reason for him not to declare it clearly. Again I will ask this, why do you think Jesus did not know the answer when he was asked about the Hour?

 

[Marybeloved]

The first sentence might be the word of Jesus, but the second is yours! Because Jesus said no one can go to God without him, he must be god! I can say that I cannot be saved if I don’t follow the path of Mohammed, but that doesn’t make Mohammed God.

If Jesus was god, he would have said that clearly. There is no reason for him not to declare it clearly. Again I will ask this, why do you think Jesus did not know the answer when he was asked about the Hour?

If Jesus from the beginning of his ministry had gone about explicitly declaring his divinity, he may not have done all he wanted, which is to speak to us in our own language and at our own level (humanity).

But I ask you, what kind of a man calls himself by the name of God? Can you imagine Mohammed calling himself “Allah”? Now, Jesus called himself by a name which Jews were not (and are still not) allowed to even utter even in prayer. The name that God himself revealed to Moses when Moses asked him, who are you?: YHWH- I AM. Jews have different ways of speaking about God when they are praying, different names that they use to call God in order to avoid calling God by his personal revealed name- Like The Lord, The Name etc- But they can NEVER mention/speak/utter the name YHWH. It was mentioned only once in a year by the High Priest alone during a very special worship service and sacrifice- Just once in a whole year by the Highest religious figure of the nation. That’s How holy the name was/is to Jews. And even now, no-one knows the proper pronunciation of the word because they never dared to mention the name for these thousands of years:shrug:.So they know how to write it, but not how to speak it. Yet Jesus calls himself “I AM”! The Jews were so angry when he said this that they picked up stones to stone him to death for blasphemy (calling himself God) but he went from the midst of them. They even told him that they wished to kill him because “You, being a man, have made yourself equal with God!”

What kind of a man calls himself the unmentionable name of God? What kind of a man claims to rule Heaven for eternity? What kind of a man claims to forgive sins? Jesus most definitely claimed Divinity and this was the crime for which the Jews killed him, because they did not believe him and thought he was committing the worst crime for any Jew/person to commit- making yourself God!

 

[rinnie]

The first sentence might be the word of Jesus, but the second is yours! Because Jesus said no one can go to God without him, he must be god! I can say that I cannot be saved if I don’t follow the path of Mohammed, but that doesn’t make Mohammed God.

If Jesus was god, he would have said that clearly. There is no reason for him not to declare it clearly. Again I will ask this, why do you think Jesus did not know the answer when he was asked about the Hour?

Jesus did reveal who is was. When he asked who is it they say I am…Peter stood up and said you are the Christ Son of the living God… Jesus said flesh and blood did not reveal this to you Peter but my Father in heaven.

Many more examples. As Jesus went on his way 2 bokind men followed him shouting take pity on us Son of David, and Jesus reached the house and said to them. Do you believe I can do this, they said LORD we do, Jesus touched them and their eyes were open, He told them take care that no one learns this. They talked about him all over the counry side.

I did not make up that last part by the way here it is. Everything has been entrusted to me by my Father, and no one know who the SON is except the FATHER and who the Father is except the Son and those whom the son chooses to reveal him.

Pilate asked Jesus are you the King of the Jews? He replied It is you who say it. Why was he accused of claiming to be Christ? Because he was? Was he the king of the Jews? Yes he was, as it told Pilate You Said it!!

Jesus said If God were your father you would love me since I HAVE MY ORIGIN IN GOD and have come from him.

You have me confused here about the hour What do you mean Jesus does not know when the hour was to come. He foretold it in John. 12:21

Now the hour has COME for the SON OF MAN to be glorified. In all truth I tell you unless a wheat grain falls into the earth and dies it remains only a single grain, but if it dies it yields a rich harvest.

Who do you say the light of the world is? Is it not God? Jesus saidThe Son of man must be lifted up? Who is this Son of Man? Jesus said to them the LIGHT will be with you only a little longer.

 

[rinnie]

John 14: Jesus said I am the way the truth and Life No One can come to the Father except through me. If you know me you will KNOW MY FATHER TOO. from this moment you know him and have SEEN HIM.

Philip said Lord show us the Father and then we will be satisfied. Jesus said Show us. Jesus said Philip you STILL do not KNOW ME?

Anyone who has SEEN me has SEEN the Father so how can you say show me the father. Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me.

You must believe when I say I am in the Father and the Father is in me or at least believe it on the evidence of these works.

Now how can you say that Jesus never said he was God??? Thats as plain as it gets.

 

[sedonaman]

…For Muslims to say that God is One, they mean it, and it is easily understood because God is One and no buts!..

One interesting attribute of Islam is that they [Muslims] see Allah as absolute will. What gives unity to all God’s actions is that He wills them all. As “Willer,” He may be recognized by the descriptions given Him, but He does not conform to any of them. The action of His will may be identified from its effects, but His will is, of itself, inscrutable. This accounts for the antithesis in certain of God’s names. For example, God is “the One who leads astray,” and also “the One who guides.”

In their doctrine of God, Muslims say that both good and evil come from God. This is necessary because of the stress on the divine will. Whatever Allah chooses becomes right (good). Good is, therefore, based on Allah’s will not in His nature.

Allah is also absolutely unknowable. Since everything is based in Allah’s will and since His effects are sometimes contradictory and do not reflect any absolute essence, Allah’s nature is utterly unknowable. The divine will is an ultimate beyond which neither reason nor revelation can go. Allah is so far above man in every way that He is not personally knowable.

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We might even conclude that Allah’s nature is whatever he wills it to be at a given point in time. Might he even be a Trinity if he wills it?

So, if Allah’s nature is unknowable, how can you make a statement about his nature, i.e., that he is “one” ?

 

[PumpkinSeed]

I don’t believe anyone could. Simply because we are led by the power of the Holy Spirit. When the truth is revealed to you, and if you are one of God’s you cannot turn you back on it.

Christ tells us in the scripture. John 14:7 I am the way the truth and the life. then in 23 Anyone who loves me will keep my word.

Then in 15 If you keep my commandments you will remain in my love just as I have kept my Fathers commandments and remained in his love.

Agreed. Now that I’m with the Holy Spirit, I don’t even want to touch Islam with a 10 foot pole!

 

[Miriam1947]

Do Jews see Jesus as a great Prophet of God?
Do they respect Mary as the best woman of all nations?
Do they believe in the miraculous birth of Jesus?

Don’t reject Jesus, but love him in a way that he wants you to love him. I love Jesus so much, but I cannot love him as much as I love God, Glory be to Him.

If I deny Jesus as God then I do not love him as he wants to be loved. He is God the Son, the second person of the Holy Trinity.

Why would I go backwards at 600 AD when the Messiah had already been here and died and was resurrected for us?

 

[rinnie]

Ammon. here is something to think about.

You and I are only separated not by our God but on how we see our God.

We both accept him as God the Father creator of heaven and earth.

But go back to the beginning. God created heaven and earth. Then the birds etc. Now the most important part God created man in the IMAGE of HIMSELF!!

Now see the biggest problem we have is this, You don’t see God as Human and Divine. We do.

But if you read in the O.T. from the beginning of time the true word of God revealed to you in the beginning God is human and divine. If God was not human he could not have created man in the image of himself.

The big difference is God did not reveal himself as Man until the N,T. But if you read the O.T. it is shown he was to come and as Man.

 

[rinnie]

Agreed. Now that I’m with the Holy Spirit, I don’t even want to touch Islam with a 10 foot pole!

I understand, But you have to understand also, they only know the truth that was given to them.

While we were so very lucky to be blessed with that great Grace from God of the Holy Spirit to reveal to us Christ as the Son of God, not everyone was.

So we have to remember our Baptism call also, to go out and spread the good news to all men, so they can know the love of the Father through the Son.

 

[LtTony]

Now I do have a question, You stated that Muhammad and Jesus were 2 great prophets, but the teaching does not have to be exact.

Okay now here is a great problem. God does not have 2 sets of rules. Simply because there cannot be 2 truths. Only One.

Now how can there be 2 different teachings then and one truth? There cannot do you not agree?

I believe their argument here is that the message of monotheism is the same, but the practicals of the religion like acts of worship etc may change. For example they often mention how the Children of Israel had to pray at their homes or the Synagogue, but through the ‘Mercy’ of Islam the whole globe became a mosque so one could pray anywhere. They would argue the message of Divine Unity (i.e. Creed) was the same for the Children of Israel, however, and any discrepancies we see now between Judaism and Islam are mans meddling or forgetting etc.

There is also the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, changes in dietary laws, etc.

I see what you are saying, but I think God has expanded/elaborated/fulfilled His truths at the perfect times and circumstances as part of His all-knowing plan.

 

[LtTony]

Do Jews see Jesus as a great Prophet of God?
Do they respect Mary as the best woman of all nations?
Do they believe in the miraculous birth of Jesus?

Don’t reject Jesus, but love him in a way that he wants you to love him. I love Jesus so much, but I cannot love him as much as I love God, Glory be to Him.

I think muslims love Mohammad much more than Jesus.

But why would we need so many explanations of the trinity? isn’t that confusing?

Christians also admit that the trinity is not an easy thing to explain. Doesn’t the Bible say that “God is not the author of confusion”?

There’s nothing confusing about it. Move past the Trinity and ponder Jesus independently of Islam.

Besides, even the Koran says there are verses that only God can understand. That is confusing.
There are also differences (confusion) among muslims on what the Koran says or what hadiths say, or even if hadiths should be followed.

 

[LtTony]

Most of the Jews were not righteous people even in the life of Prophet Moses. Moreover, they were aware of a Prophet to come after Prophet Moses and they were waiting for him.

Quran 61: 5. And remember, Moses said to his people: “O my people! why do ye vex and insult me though ye know that I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you?” Then when they went wrong, Allah let their hearts go wrong: for Allah guides not those who are rebellious transgressors.

Quran 7: 138. We took the Children of Israel (with safety) across the sea. They came upon a people devoted entirely to some idols they had. They said: “O Moses! fashion for us a god like unto the gods they have.” He said: "surely ye are a people without knowledge.

Quran 4:160-161. For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them;― in that they hindered many from Allah’s way.― That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men’s substance wrongfully;― We have prepared for those among them who reject Faith a grievous punishment.

Quran 2:87. We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not ye, are puffed up with pride? ―Some ye called impostors and others ye slay!

Quran 3: 48-51. "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel. "And (appoint him) an Messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay as it were the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave; and I heal those born blind, and the lepers and I quicken the dead by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe. "(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me. “It is Allah who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a way that is straight.”

You’re basically proving to yourself that the Koran is true… based on the Koran. Talk about circular!

The Jews were waiting for the messaih, not Mohammad.

The righteousness of the Jews at the time of Moses is not an issue. Further, one cannot say one way or another regarding the righteousness of the Jews at the time of Jesus.

So what about you, why do you think God sent Jesus even though the Jews were worshiping the One True God as you said? Is it to cancel the Law of Moses and declare himself as god?

As a saviour. Jesus said so Himself in our scripture. Yours says very, very little about Jesus the Messiah in yours. Mohammad is the king pin.

 

[jlhargus]

If Jesus was god, he would have said that clearly. There is no reason for him not to declare it clearly.

JL: There was no need to declare Himself as God. That was not His purpose or mission. The quick and simple answer, Amoon, would be He did not come to us as God but man. The focus was His humanity not His divinity. The purpose for His coming as man was to perfect himself as man in order to bring salvation to mankind. Becoming like us in all things but sin.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death FOR EVERY MAN. 10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Titus 2:12 TEACHING US THAT, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed HOPE, and the glorious APPEARING OF THE GREAT GOD AND OUR SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST; 14 WHO GAVE HIMSELF FOR US, that he might REDEEM US from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

[Hebrews 4:11 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For **WE HAVE NOT AN HIGH PRIEST WHICH CANNOT BE TOUCHED WITH THE FEELING OF OUR INFIRMITIES; but was IN ALL POINTS TEMPTED LIKE WE ARE, yet without sin.] God came as man to perfect himself as man in order to redeem man. To experience life as man experiences it even death on a cross. He humbled Himself that’s how much God loves all humanity.

[1John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for **GOD IS LOVE. 9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.]

Heb5:8 THOUGH HE WERE A SON, yet LEARNED HE OBEDIENCE BY THE THINGS which HE SUFFERED; 9 And BEING MADE PERFECT, he BECAME THE AUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATION unto all them that obey him

[Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in **Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and TOOK UPON HIM THE FORM OF A SERVANT, and was made IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, HE HUMBLED HIMSELF, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.] It is God in His humanity, a man, who is highly exalted. It is the NAME of Jesus the man to whom EVERY KNEE shall bow and every tongue confess as Lord.

Again I will ask this, why do you think Jesus did not know the answer when he was asked about the Hour

JL: Jesus has two natures He is BOTH God and man. In His human nature He could not have known without God revealing the hour to His humanity. As God He certainly knows the hour. Yet as God He reserved that knowledge to God alone.

 

[jlhargus]

For Muslims, all the prayers are for God alone, and we do not associate partners with the All-Mighty. The problem with Christians is that they do associate partners with God,

There are no partners WITH God, God is ONE. In that ONE, INDIVISABLE, BEING of GOD are three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. ONE UNDIVIDED GOD, God cannot be divided. We name that ONE GOD the Trinity. There is only ONE GOD, not God and two partners. Where God the Father is so are God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Where the Son is so are the Father and Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit is so are the Father and the Son. The Trinity is ONE DIVINE BEING GOD.

Though the ACTION may be attributed to the Son. The Father and Holy Spirit act also, they are ONE indisvible GOD. Those indivisible Persons, are Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the ONE BEING or nature of God.

[John 14:6 JESUS SAITH unto him, ** I AM the way, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?** he that hath seen me hath seen the Father**; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I AM IN THE FATHER, AND THE FATHER IN ME? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.]

To see Jesus is to see God and live because God is veiled in Jesus’ humanity. The Quran is in error when it implies Christians believe God has partners. It is most grossly in error when it implies Christians believe Mary is one of the Trinity (I think 5:116). Those errors could not have come from an ALL KNOWING God.

So, if you only agree with Muslims in this point, you will realize that Islam is your only path to salvation.

JL: [Acts 4:10 **Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of JESUS Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN given among men, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.]

No one is in paradise no matter who, including Mohammed, apart from Jesus’ death on the cross, bodily resurrection and ascension into paradise.

[John 14:6 **Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATER, BUT BY ME.]

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 6:48 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME HATH EVERLASTING LIFE.

 

[Bible_is_truth]

How we know today is by reason and history.

Christ gave us history in the Church, that is how he revealed all things. And he gave us reason to understand things.

We know from the O.T. which is history that we would receive our King. The whole O.T. reveals to us piece by piece who the king will be. Every single thing that was told in the O.T. was fullfilled by Christ.

In the N.T. he did everything. In the N.T. it never says a Prophet will come again. He states ALL that we need to know is revealed to us by Christ, And anthing we need to know will be know to us by the Advocate the Holy Spirit who came to the Church on Pentecost.

The HS is who reveals all truth until Christ comes again in Glory.

He told us HE would come again through the Clouds the same way he left. Until then he told us the Church would be here untill the end of age, and hades would not prevail.

We have the promise from God the Church Cannot teach us a lie, we have that promise. The Advocate would teach. There is no way any human can overpower God and teach in his name and lie to us. If they did they would overpower God and the gates of hades would prevail, and make God a liar. That is how we know the Church will always teach the true word of God. It came from the mouth of Christ.

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I believe this reply , to my understanding has been put on the wrong post,
if it is the correct reply ,I still maintain what I had written ,and I also repeat 1 John 4 v 1- 3
and I believe the Bible is the word of God as in 2 Timothy 3 v 16 -17…
also add 2 Tim 4 v 3 - 5 …
Blessings .