Mom doesn't understand Lust or Mast

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My Mom just tried to convince me that Masturbation and lust were natural things for men. I tried to tell her that I could literally feel how bad it was after Masturbating. Like it has physical effects that affect my relationship with God! She said “things where you hurt people, hurt nature, or offend God are sins.” My Mom isn’t too keen on the technicalities of sin, but rather relies on her Catholic instinct. She also thinks that I might be overreacting to it because it’s something natural, that I shouldn’t keep worrying that I’ll end up going to hell.

Now I know that I should respect my mother, and so I didn’t argue with her. I know that she is just worrying like a mother tends to and just wants to see me do well. But let’s be honest, fear of hell isn’t a bad thing. If she brings this up again next time, should I try and make my point for why they’re sins? Or should I leave it be and just forgive her…
 
Also, please feel free to explain why you think they are sins.
 
To the final question of the OP - so long as the discussion remains respectful, there is no reason why you shouldn’t try to explain why those things are sinful. Whether or not that is possible depends pretty much entirely on the dynamic between you and your mother (and I’m not saying that if it is not, then your dynamic is bad or anything like that - only that some personalities and relationships together would make such a discussion between a parent and child fruitless, and some would not).

As to how to explain it - perhaps it would be best to point that there is a distinction between noticing and admiring beauty in others (fine and good) and using others as objects for one’s own pleasure (lust, bad). The problem with lust is that it takes a human being and reduces them to less than human. It treats them as a no more than a means to an end (sexual pleasure), a tool to be used - reducing a full fledged human, created in the image of God with a mind, reason, hopes, dreams, etc, to little more than a hammer that we want to use to accomplish something. And not even to accomplish something that is necessary, but only to give ourselves a passing pleasure - like a game boy, something to be played until we grow bored with it and then set aside until we want to be entertained again. Hopefully this will get the distinction across. I have spoken with people who didn’t realize that there was more to lust than noticing that a woman is pretty or similar, and I think pointing out that there is and what it is might be helpful.

As for it being “natural,” in the sense of “built in” - well, often so is the tendency to lie about wrongs we committed to avoid “trouble” (which really means “responsibility”), and any number of other bad things. This does not make them good. In fact, the doctrine of original sin tells us that we all have a built in tendency to sin, so merely having an in built tendency to do something does not make it ok to do so.

So if “natural” is used just to refer to the way things are, then it makes no difference whatsoever whether a desire to engage in a behavior is “natural”. Probably, in this sense, most or at least many sinful desires are natural to the person who has them, but clearly some actions are bad regardless of why we want to do them (lying as above, etc). Often, we say that the word natural would be better be said to mean something more like “according to reason” or “how things would be in a world without flaw” or similar - and using either of these definitions, we can see that neither lust nor masturbation would be natural, as treating humans as less than they are (treating others as objects in the first case, and treating, in some way, ourselves and possibly others as well as objects in the second) is definitely not reasonable and definitely not something that would happen in an ideal world.
 
Also, please feel free to explain why you think they are sins.
Masterbation is a mortal sin. It is like having sex outside of marriage but just with yourself. It is wasting what God has given you that being your seed. It is normal for boy to have lust when they are your age this is true because I went through. However masterbating is not natural and lesds to you draining the body of all its resources and killing yourself spiritually. Have you gone to confession?
 
*First of all, What a odd topic of conversation to have With Your mother, huh?.
Anyway, I think its important to remember that The Church teach that Masturbation is wasting the gift Our Lord gave us (reproduction).

We should live Our life according to the guidelines of the Church and the commandments given from Our Lord, but we also have to keep in mind that the subject of “Masturbation” never occures in the scripture and therefor have been canonized by a Pope. (Please correct me if Im wrong)

Our Holy Father of course act in Holy Spirit when he talks excatetra so the validy of decitions made by him is obviously correct, but Im not sure if everyting in the Cathecism has been prossesed by the Pope (excatetra) or is some of human desitions made by others than the Pope or by the Pope NOT acting under influence of The Holy Spirit (Excatetra)?

Anyway, we should of course obey Rome and follow the guidelines of the Church.
But we have to keep in mind that, We absolutly CANT scentens anyone to eternal Death or eternal Joy, thats 100 per cent up to Our Lord at Judgement day.

So does Masturbation send someone to hell?, we can With the cathecism in hand make a qualified Guess, but we cant be sure.
We have to follow the Commandments and rules, God are above all rules and are free to make exceptions if He like.
My Guess is that at the final day, we will be surprised about who are in heaven and whos not (assumed we enter heaven ourself that is).

To sum up.
As Catholics we obey The Vatican and they have made it Clear that selfpleassuring is indeed a severe sin and that one have to avoid it. And confess it straight away if one give into the lust.

My point in all this rant of mine was to say that we shall NOT judge one another, we can recommend one lifestile over another and thats all.

God Bless!*
 
My Mom just tried to convince me that Masturbation and lust were natural things for men. I tried to tell her that I could literally feel how bad it was after Masturbating. Like it has physical effects that affect my relationship with God! She said “things where you hurt people, hurt nature, or offend God are sins.” My Mom isn’t too keen on the technicalities of sin, but rather relies on her Catholic instinct. She also thinks that I might be overreacting to it because it’s something natural, that I shouldn’t keep worrying that I’ll end up going to hell.

Now I know that I should respect my mother, and so I didn’t argue with her. I know that she is just worrying like a mother tends to and just wants to see me do well. But let’s be honest, fear of hell isn’t a bad thing. If she brings this up again next time, should I try and make my point for why they’re sins? Or should I leave it be and just forgive her…
From the Catechism:

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139

God Bless!👍
 
Aside from the obvious (that masturbation is a mortal sin), you must have a very different relationship with your mother than I had growing up. That is for sure!
 
Masterbation is a mortal sin. It is like having sex outside of marriage but just with yourself. It is wasting what God has given you that being your seed. It is normal for boy to have lust when they are your age this is true because I went through. However masterbating is not natural and lesds to you draining the body of all its resources and killing yourself spiritually. Have you gone to confession?
I want to. But I’ve been to confession so many times this past year that I think she thinks I’m becoming paranoid…
 
Aside from the obvious (that masturbation is a mortal sin), you must have a very different relationship with your mother than I had growing up. That is for sure!
Back when I was still trying to quit, I opened up to her about it. At that time too she tried to tell me it was natural as long as I didn’t look at porn.
 
Back when I was still trying to quit, I opened up to her about it. At that time too she tried to tell me it was natural as long as I didn’t look at porn.
If you can have that kind of discussion with her, ask her why porn changes things. Whether you’re lusting after an external image or an image in your mind’s eye, you’re still using a person.

The argument that finally “got” me was: Love is supposed to be about willing the good of the other. Sex, at its most elementary, is about continuing the species. Masturbation is the opposite of both of these: it all about me, me, me, and what I want, how I want it, when I want it. Certainly not a good mindset for a Christian to have, whether they are preparing for marriage or not.
 
It just seems strange to be discussing this with your mother. I would discuss it with a priest instead.
 
I want to. But I’ve been to confession so many times this past year that I think she thinks I’m becoming paranoid…
I go to confession every two weeks, and sometimes even more frequently. Pope John Paul II went to confession every week. There is nothing wrong with frequent reception of the sacraments, it makes one better able to participate in the divine life!
 
What does you dad say?
Why does your mom know what you confess?
Why is this a topic for discussion with you and your mom?

I have way more questions than answers here. Your mom’s Catholic instincts here are weak. The Church is quite clear on the topic. Is that not enough for her?
 
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