Monks, hermits, and monasteries

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I have just recently been interested in learning more about the lives of hermits and monks. I guess if I had not fallen in love with my awesome wife and become a family man then I can imagine myself living an isolated life from the world and devoted my life to God in that way, because I am not by nature a people person, and I have always been one who loves being away from people. I know that may sound bad, but I have always enjoyed medatating in isolation.

But is there any good Catholic reading about the lives of hermits and monks?
 
peace be with you! there are some awesome books published by Cistercian Publications that could help you. i recommend the books by or about Carthusians. the Carthusians are a very holy order of monks and cloistered nuns. all of the Carthusian books say the author is “a Carthusian” because they do not put their names on them. these books are mostly conferences given to the Carthusian Novices explaining their spirituality and life. they are excellent. i have 4 or 5 of them.
 
Hi Dominic Savio…we have a “St. Dominic Savio” parish near us here in St. Louis… I love your quote from St. Francis de Sales too…that’s exACTly what God is like, carrying the weak in His arms. Very very good. Most moving.

Was fascinated by your discussion of the Carthusians. Wow. I honestly didn’t know there were still any Charterhouses around. How wonderful. Both for Monks AND for nuns. Wow again. Thanks be to God. Where are they? Do you have any more information on them? I have always been attracted to life in community too and if I weren’t too old would be VERY tempted to sign up. I had posted a thread asking about monks & nuns and haven’t gotten any replies. Was glad to see this one. 🙂 I think the monastic orders have been the real power houses of the Christian Church and I think their decline signals a decline in the “oooomph” of the Church.
 
There are a number of good ones out there by Thomas Merton, giving us a glimpse of what it’s like to be a Trappist.

If you’re also interested in the history of the hermit/monastic life, check out *The Wisdom of the Desert * by Merton, containing old sayings of the Desert Fathers.
 
You can get many good books on the topic here:

spencerabbey.org/cistpub/

They publish Carthusian titles as well as general monastic literature.

I was a Carthusian for a short time (2 years as a novice) and am still discerning a vocation as a hermit. This type of vocation is growing and many lay people are also feeling drawn to incorporating elements into their own lives.

Visit my web site for some basic info:

eremos.brinkster.net/stbruno
 
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headman13:
Hi Dominic Savio…we have a “St. Dominic Savio” parish near us here in St. Louis… I love your quote from St. Francis de Sales too…that’s exACTly what God is like, carrying the weak in His arms. Very very good. Most moving.

Was fascinated by your discussion of the Carthusians. Wow. I honestly didn’t know there were still any Charterhouses around. How wonderful. Both for Monks AND for nuns. Wow again. Thanks be to God. Where are they? Do you have any more information on them? I have always been attracted to life in community too and if I weren’t too old would be VERY tempted to sign up. I had posted a thread asking about monks & nuns and haven’t gotten any replies. Was glad to see this one. 🙂 I think the monastic orders have been the real power houses of the Christian Church and I think their decline signals a decline in the “oooomph” of the Church.
peace be with you! that is awesome that you have a St. Dominic Savio parish by you. He was my Confirmation saint. i don’t really know St. Francis de Sales well but i absolutely love that quote of his. I love St. Therese and St. Francis de Sales was actually a saint that she loved a lot. yes, the Carthusians are amazing! their website can be found here: chartreux.org/index_us.html
the only Charterhouse in the U.S. is in Vermont. if i remember correctly it is called Transfiguration Monastery. i agree with you about monks and nuns in the Church. i think that monks and cloistered nuns are the hidden ones, offering up their lives for the Church and that is where the apostolic part of this Church receives its fruitfulness. i love the contemplatives.

for a very interesting look at a much more modern monasticism, i think you should look at the Community of St. John. their website is found here: www.stjean.com

they are an incredible Congregation founded by a french Dominican in 1975. they live a mostly monastic (contemplative) life, but do some apostolic work too. they are growing very fast. they do a lot of prayer (mostly silent adoration) and philosophical study. they strive to live the spirituality of St. John the Beloved Disciple…the disciple who rested his head on the Heart of Jesus; who was there at the foot of the Cross and who received Mary into his home. it is an awesome group.

there is actually a really good Benedictine monastery a couple of hours from me in Oceanside, California (close to San Diego). it is called Prince of Peace abbey. i believe they can be found online but i am not too sure about that. i would love to talk more about the Carthusians, but maybe eremos could talk more about it since he lived there for two years!
 
eremos,

peace be with you! thank you for your post and your website. i would love to learn more about the Carthusian spirituality/spirituality of the Desert. do you know of the Community of St. John? i think you might like them, although they are not hermits or as cloistered as the Carthusians. but they do live a life of silent prayer and adoration. do you know of any good books that i might be able to find (besides the Spencer Abbey books) that go into the Spirit of the Carthusians. i don’t mean they need directly speak of the Carthusians…i just mean something that they would consider close to/similar to their vocation. have you ever read Venerable Charles de Foucauld? he is amazing. a desert hermit…you would like that guy. he lived for several years as a Trappist then went out as a hermit to the Sahara.
 
Dear dominicsavio,

Yes I know of this community. I knew someone that tested his vocation there. However, my vocation is more toward the hermit life and the desert fathers style of vocation. A vocation is very a personal thing and often one must fit the spiritual culture of the order or community one joins. For me, after testing at various communities, the type that most suits me is the eremitical/monastic one.

Charles de Foucauld is a wonderful example of the search for God in the desert.

I am currently looking at a community of canonical hermits who follow a desert fathers style of life more closely. They also welcome retreatants to live in solitude for brief periods of time. They also reserve the Blessed Sacrament in their hermitages and have time for adoration every day.

EWTN ran a show on the Hermits of Bethlehem recently and you may want to find out if they will show it again. It is quite good at explaining the why of the vocation. You can also read their rule in the following book:

A Way of Desert Spirituality: The Plan of Life of the Hermits of Bethlehem, Chester, New Jersey
by Fr Eugene Romano.

They also sell the full version of the video. Excellent resource for understanding any kind of cloistered life.

To learn more about the Carthusians, you first have to become satisfied with very little. Their own website (the English part) provides the statutes and the brochure that the US Charterhouse put together. These two things by themselves should provide ample information about them. It really is a very simple spirituality. I learned about them first through Thomas Merton’s books. He had a longing to be a Carthusian but was turned down.

Oh and I am a she 🙂
 
I was a postulant with the Camaldolese in Ohio for a while. There is another hermitage (another branch of the order) in California.

Many religious orders now have facilities for some of their members to live as hermits for a while. Many of the Trappist monasteries have hermitages. Also the Discalced Carmelites have “deserts” for their members to live apart for a while. The Calced Carmelites have a hermitage in PA. Some other orders have facilities also.

You can join a monastery as an oblate. Contact any monastery to see if they have oblates, or they are willing to accept you.
 
I know someone who may be just going in circles with finding a religious order/life. I’m a pretty good net surfer and I cant find the answer/place/order for him.

He doesnt wanna be a priest.

He wants to join an order that doesnt take him totally “out of the world”…ie…he wants to visit home at least once a month, for like a weekend or so…wants a community where he isnt cloistered away from the public and can still interact with people.

He likes the notion of community and designated times for prayer, etc…and living in such an environment…BUT doesnt wanna be relegated to…the strictness of… total silence at certain times…not being able to grab a snack and eating at ONLY required times, etc… and being able to own his own TV, have his own room…does such an order exist? I THINK I covered all his quirks…oh…he likes the idea of some form of habit…but NO WAY, wants to be forced to wear sandles! 😛

He also doesnt wanna be a missionary …at least not to have to leave the united states…he wants to preach, talk about God, etc…but cant find any such info that answer specifics.
 
I think your friend needs to start his own order; with himself as the only member.

If he wants tv in his room and eat snacks he can stay home. How can he preach if he doesn;t want to be a priest. No one if forced to wear sandals!!
 
I would have to agree with Mike C. Your friend should probably spend some time learning what religious life is about.

Any order or community worth its salt is nothing like your friend is wanting primarily because they will be centered around obedience and self-denial.

You don’t need to be a priest to preach (to preach a sermon at a mass you have to be ordained). He could be a brother rather than a priest.

The very first thing I did when I received the vocation was to read in the Gospels what Jesus expects from those who commit to Him in this way.
 
Let me throw a little first-hand experience from my life as a Trappist from 1959 to '65 into this discussion about monastic obedience, if I may.

Within the microcosm of the monastic Orders, the role of the abbot and obedience to him has always been both problematic and controversial, and this is a slice of monastic life that outsiders, including even the diocesan clergy, almost never see. Within just 18 months in the early 1960’s, for example, four of the twelve American Trappist abbots were forced by the Abbot General to resign, all in disgrace and for serious abuses of their authority that had by then been going on for several years. In most cases, these guys had “run” for office by putting on a great act of humbler-than-thou for 20 years or so, and then their hidden alter-egos emerged shortly after they were elected.

I will never forget James Fox, the Abbot of Gethsemani (Thomas Merton’s roost) in about 1961, sprawled with elbows and knees akimbo in the abbatial highchair in our Chapter room, twirling the cord that held his pectoral cross and intoning over and over, “Obedientia et pax,” which is probably best translated as “obedience, and from that, peace of heart.” Unfortunately, whatever wisdom that slogan is supposed to convey, it became little more than a rather grotesque parody when the guy mouthing it was so obviously living in a gossamer daydream of feudal dominance. Fortunately for everyone, I suppose, Dom James died of natural causes just as troublesome stories of his swashbuckling were starting to waft across the pond to Citeaux and Rome.

The upshot of all this was that the Order drastically revised its thinking about the role of the abbot. Once elected for life, the 800 year old Charter was amended and they were thence to serve six year terms, and never more than two of these in a row. Those already elected for life were required to stand for a vote of confidence in their communities, and if they didn’t get it, to step down at once and resume their previous rank in their communities. One other lifetime abbot that I know of had to resign this way in the 70’s, so that totals to a premature attrition rate 5 out of 12 within less than 10 years.

Continued…
 
Under the Abbé De Rancé and his austere reform at the Cistercian abbey of La Grande Trappe in the 18th century, monastic obedience acquired a distinctly sado-masochistic and Gothic-romantic erotic flavor to it, and my novice master used to both horrify and regale us with stories about some of the stuff that went on until some balance was restored in about the mid to late 1930’s. But although De Rancé’s reform was particularly harsh, I’m not so sure that he wasn’t reflecting a cult of clerical authoritarianism and infantile piety that was actually quite widespread in that era. But I won’t generalize any more than that, and stick to what I saw first-hand.

It fostered an emotional dependency by monks on their superiors that rendered them incapable of making simple common sense decisions, and the resulting atmosphere of paternalism & infantilism made it at times like living in a nursery for adult babies-- a tight-knit community in which there was a suffocating climate of tension acted out as apple-polishing, jealousy, suspicion, backbiting and covert rivalries for attention, approval, favors and promotions. According to my novice master and a few others old enough to remember, the Order would have changed a lot quicker were it not for abbots with lifetime tenure, and to my knowledge no problems as severe as those that happened under the old system have recurred since the six year terms went into effect roughly 35 years ago.
 
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eremos:
Dear dominicsavio,

Yes I know of this community. I knew someone that tested his vocation there. However, my vocation is more toward the hermit life and the desert fathers style of vocation. A vocation is very a personal thing and often one must fit the spiritual culture of the order or community one joins. For me, after testing at various communities, the type that most suits me is the eremitical/monastic one.

Charles de Foucauld is a wonderful example of the search for God in the desert.

I am currently looking at a community of canonical hermits who follow a desert fathers style of life more closely. They also welcome retreatants to live in solitude for brief periods of time. They also reserve the Blessed Sacrament in their hermitages and have time for adoration every day.

EWTN ran a show on the Hermits of Bethlehem recently and you may want to find out if they will show it again. It is quite good at explaining the why of the vocation. You can also read their rule in the following book:

A Way of Desert Spirituality: The Plan of Life of the Hermits of Bethlehem, Chester, New Jersey
by Fr Eugene Romano.

They also sell the full version of the video. Excellent resource for understanding any kind of cloistered life.

To learn more about the Carthusians, you first have to become satisfied with very little. Their own website (the English part) provides the statutes and the brochure that the US Charterhouse put together. These two things by themselves should provide ample information about them. It really is a very simple spirituality. I learned about them first through Thomas Merton’s books. He had a longing to be a Carthusian but was turned down.

Oh and I am a she 🙂
peace be with you!

first of all, i am sorry that in my post i referred to you as “he”. i actually just made a bad assumption. i know that Carthusian nuns exist, but since i have never heard of anyone actually checking them out, i just figured you were male. again, very sorry. i have heard of that book on the spirituality of the desert and the Hermits of Bethlehem but at the moment, i do not have the money to buy it. (God is asking of me more poverty and so for now I will have to do without it) but thank you for telling me about it. i think there is a group of hermits in Texas called Catholic Solitudes. from what i have heard they are very devoted to the Divine Mercy and also pray the “Jesus Prayer” that is so common in the Eastern and Orthodox Churches. but those Hermits of Bethlehem do sound awesome. i have felt very drawn towards religious life for the past few years, but with a lot of prayer it seems that God’s will for me now is that I don’t know/don’t worry about His will for me later. so i have to try to love Him totally in the present moment, and when He wishes He will let me know. thank you again.
 
“It fostered an emotional dependency by monks on their superiors that rendered them incapable of making simple common sense decisions, and the resulting atmosphere of paternalism & infantilism made it at times like living in a nursery for adult babies-- a tight-knit community in which there was a suffocating climate of tension acted out as apple-polishing, jealousy, suspicion, backbiting and covert rivalries for attention, approval, favors and promotions. According to my novice master and a few others old enough to remember, the Order would have changed a lot quicker were it not for abbots with lifetime tenure, and to my knowledge no problems as severe as those that happened under the old system have recurred since the six year terms went into effect roughly 35 years ago.”

Thanks for the insight. I think most Catholics out there think the Trappists are like in the days of Thomas Merton. I guess the idea of a paternelistic image of an abbot was removed with the Camaldolese. Their hermitages are much smaller. Do you think that the changes made in the Trappist monasteries are for the better? I know that they did away with the farm at Gethesmeni. I can see where a monk can loose his vocation if he spends 8 hrs a day packing jellies in a factory. Why live the religious life? You can work in a factory as a lay man.
but I also read that some Trappistine nuns have permission to live at Gethesmini as “monks” What’s the difference? Also, I think that they ruined that beautiful Abbey Church. I realize that it didn’t exactly conform to “Cistercian” ideals, but it was a National Historical Site and a minor basilica. Any thoughts?
 
Mike,

Since I have been out of both the monastic life and the Church for almost 40 years, I don’t see how my take on it would have any credibility in a forum like this. However, I found the following blurb posted on a Benedictine Oblates’ Yahoo group a couple of years ago, and I couldn’t have said it any better myself.Having been an oblate for a quarter-century, I’ve–alas–thrown in the towel. But I’ll never turn my back on the Benedictine Tradition!

"Unfortunately there’s little spiritual formation provided for the Benedictine oblates. The lay oblate usually remains at the most elemental level, though there are always exceptions. It’s a shame, actually. But this has been my experience. Many oblates are still clinging more to the monastic forms rather than doing deep inner work. There’s more interest in rituals, icons, scapulars, robes, and perfunctory prayer forms than there is about evolving one’s soul via contemplation and spiritual comprehension. Sorry, too, but I’ve found that most oblates I have come to know–in person or online–don’t even know much about Benedictine history!

"So it goes, and it’s sad. Is there any blame in any of this? Hard to say. Traditional religious haven’t provided much for the laity in the past, except (as I said earlier) at the most elemental levels. And it has to be faced, too, that many in the laity are waiting for someone to ‘give it’ to them–and it need be from the person wearing the robes for the most part. They are looking to an authority that is fast waning.

"Now I’m sure others will have other opinions on this matter, noted above, but that’s my experience and observation on the issue.

"However, there’s a ‘small fire rising out of the ashes’ as Joan Chittister, O.S.B., has inferred in one of her books. She’s a Benedictine sister who, along with a number of other Benedictine luminaries, is sharing and EXPANDING the Benedictine Tradition into a modern context. Naturally, she’s under fire by her authorities. 🙂 But that always seems the hard road of pathfinders.

“In the end, I suspect the Benedictine monasteries will continue to dwindle. Right here in my own city, one such monastery had to be sold because there were so few monastics left to maintain the place. As for lay oblates, they will continue in numbers but likely will fade out eventually as monasteries do. But I submit that the great Benedictine Tradition will continue, grasped by people who sense the possibilities this Way provides for a balanced and actually an elegant spiritual life. The Benedictine Way is downright civilized and truly can easily be translatable to the individual seeker as well as converted to the universality of the spiritual life, as we see it unfolding in modern non-traditional monastics and mystics.”
 
One very good book on the different expressions of the Monastic life is The Silent Life, by Thomas Merton. The Waters of Siloe, also by Thomas Merton, is a very good book about the Trappist Order (OCSO, Order Cistercians Strict Observance) specifically. There is also a book by Charles Cummings OCSO called Monastic Practices which describes different aspects of the Monastic life in detail.
 
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copland:
I have just recently been interested in learning more about the lives of hermits and monks. I guess if I had not fallen in love with my awesome wife and become a family man then I can imagine myself living an isolated life from the world and devoted my life to God in that way, because I am not by nature a people person, and I have always been one who loves being away from people. I know that may sound bad, but I have always enjoyed medatating in isolation.

But is there any good Catholic reading about the lives of hermits and monks?
**Hello copland…Thought I might post a few thoughts to you…I think that you may have a contemplative side to you. God calls people in different ways…some are drawn to solitude more than others and may be more introverted.There are different forms of prayer…some listen well in their relationship with people and with God. Their drawn towards the direction in the bible that tells us…“Be still and know that I am God” "in stillness God is born"or “the still small voice” Folks need solitude to place themselves before God and to be still and listen. Being **instead of Doing. In any relationship it is wonderful when silence is not uncomfortable and folks can just be together. It is the same with God. All the Saints and Mystics knew this in their hearts and practiced giving time to God each day for just this reason…an excellent book for you would be Centering Prayer by M. Basil Pennington O.C.S.O. Easy to read…he mentions all the Fathers of The Church and many of the Mystics and as well the different methods for placing oneself before God in this Stillness. May God Bless you and your family copland …
Shalom, **
Catherine
PS…We can be contemplative in the world…

** One does not need to become a monk etc.
 
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headman13:
Hi Dominic Savio…we have a “St. Dominic Savio” parish near us here in St. Louis… I love your quote from St. Francis de Sales too…that’s exACTly what God is like, carrying the weak in His arms. Very very good. Most moving.

Was fascinated by your discussion of the Carthusians. Wow. I honestly didn’t know there were still any Charterhouses around. How wonderful. Both for Monks AND for nuns. Wow again. Thanks be to God. Where are they? Do you have any more information on them? I have always been attracted to life in community too and if I weren’t too old would be VERY tempted to sign up. I had posted a thread asking about monks & nuns and haven’t gotten any replies. Was glad to see this one. 🙂 I think the monastic orders have been the real power houses of the Christian Church and I think their decline signals a decline in the “oooomph” of the Church.
**Hello Headman 13…It is true…the contemplatives are and always will be the power houses in the Church but so too were the homes of all the contemplative men and women who lived their lives caring for their families …passing on the faith…working long hours and living hard lives. Centered on Christ and people of prayer…they knew the Good Fridays of faith and the Easter Sundays. Quiet time in the presence of the Lord…was a real gift…rising early in the morning to be with Him before the family was awake and clamoring for food and lord knows what else…or going off to work in all types of weather because the family needed to be taken care of…all these loving people who sacrificed thier lives so that the needs of their families were met also built the Church. To see the decline of those who choice religious life or married life does not mean very much…self-centerness rather than other-centerness is not new in the life of the church…this too will pass as it always has in History…**it does not signal a decline in the Church…but a oooomph… renewal (which has already begun) The Lord is renewing His Church raising up wonderful folks both religious and Lay who will serve the Church and others as they have in the past. The Church will remain until the Lord’s return… strong and Beautiful…the Rock !!! God Bless you Headman,
Shalom,
Catherine
 
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