Moon god??!

[BlaconPaul]

Having read a few different threads both on CAF and on other forums recently I’m a little confused about something and wonder if anyone on here can help.
I don’t wish to start a pro or anti Islamic flaming war, merely to try and get a question answered.
As far as I can tell from what I’ve read about the Quaran and the Islamic faith in general it seems that Muslims regard themselves as “People of the Book” (which as I understand it means that they see themselves as an Abrahamic faith, as we Catholics are, and are the Jewish faithful). This implies that they believe in the God of Abraham. I’m pretty sure that Muslims regard Christianity, and Judaism as “People of the book” too (I’m not talking about the obvious huge differences here such as relegating Christ the King to the status of a prophet here, nor wether Mohamed was a prophet or not, nor any other contentious issues/differences here, merely the Abrahamic aspect, which strongly implies that all three faiths agree on the same being as the creator of all, ie the person that we call God The Father, and the person that the Jewish faithful call G-d, both being the same deity with that islam calls Allah)
So, that all being what it is, my question is where does all this non-sense about Allah being a moon-god come from? Is this just anti-Islamic slur? Did the Church ever proclaim Allah to be a false “lunar-deity”? Also as an aside can anyone state how our Jewish friends regard Allah?

Thank you for any info you can give, please be respectful to other faiths.
God bless

Paul

Pray for peace and for America’s recent pro-life successes to grow and continue and inspire far away lands like this one to follow suit.

 

[LatinoSON]

i dont want throw any fire into this topic but there was someone that said this to be on a youtube post, i hope somebody can answer this question???

post by ex christian:

“Jesus is not dead and he will return. no one sin is expunged by Jesus as he is not the judge of sin and he has no authority to forgive sin…the idea of savior blood is even older than Jesus with mithra tamuz krishna and many other…christian mess is a cannibalistic ritual of paganism.”

how should i answer this?

 

[Steveabrous]

i dont want throw any fire into this topic but there was someone that said this to be on a youtube post, i hope somebody can answer this question???

post by ex christian:

“Jesus is not dead and he will return. no one sin is expunged by Jesus as he is not the judge of sin and he has no authority to forgive sin…the idea of savior blood is even older than Jesus with mithra tamuz krishna and many other…christian mess is a cannibalistic ritual of paganism.”

how should i answer this?

The sources of these types of claims are not credible. It’s like saying " God exists the Pope said so" no atheist would accept that

 

[Steveabrous]

Having read a few different threads both on CAF and on other forums recently I’m a little confused about something and wonder if anyone on here can help.
I don’t wish to start a pro or anti Islamic flaming war, merely to try and get a question answered.
As far as I can tell from what I’ve read about the Quaran and the Islamic faith in general it seems that Muslims regard themselves as “People of the Book” (which as I understand it means that they see themselves as an Abrahamic faith, as we Catholics are, and are the Jewish faithful). This implies that they believe in the God of Abraham. I’m pretty sure that Muslims regard Christianity, and Judaism as “People of the book” too (I’m not talking about the obvious huge differences here such as relegating Christ the King to the status of a prophet here, nor wether Mohamed was a prophet or not, nor any other contentious issues/differences here, merely the Abrahamic aspect, which strongly implies that all three faiths agree on the same being as the creator of all, ie the person that we call God The Father, and the person that the Jewish faithful call G-d, both being the same deity with that islam calls Allah)
So, that all being what it is, my question is where does all this non-sense about Allah being a moon-god come from? Is this just anti-Islamic slur? Did the Church ever proclaim Allah to be a false “lunar-deity”? Also as an aside can anyone state how our Jewish friends regard Allah?

Thank you for any info you can give, please be respectful to other faiths.
God bless

Paul

Pray for peace and for America’s recent pro-life successes to grow and continue and inspire far away lands like this one to follow suit.

I read somewhere that Mohamid took the name Allah from an Arabian God so that the people of that region , I believe medea, would better accept him

 

[LatinoSON]

i just want to know how to explain it to that person, i best thing thing that i could say was that Jesus says in Matthew 28:18, " All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth"

 

[drac16]

When the Qur’an refers to ‘Ahl al-Kitab’, which means ‘People of the Book’, it can be referring to jews alone, christians alone, or both jews and christians (depending on the context). Surah 2 is enough to prove this because it talks about the ‘People of the Book’ and how they worshiped a golden calf in the days of Moses [peace be upon him]. Who was it that worshiped the calf? we know that it was the jews, therefore, in this context, the ‘People of the Book’ is identified as the jewish people.

This whole moon god theory is a big misunderstanding. There may have been an idol around the Ka’aba that the pagans identified as Allah, but even if that were the case, it’s utterly irrelevant to Islam. No muslim has ever believed that Allah is a moon god. “Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two, or three, or four (pairs): He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things” (Surah 35:1 of the Qur’an)

It’s like how some of the jews used to worship Baal. Would it be fair to say that the jews today worship Baal or that their religion is based on the cult of Baal? No, and the same applies to Islam here.

It has always been the belief of Muslims that God, [or ‘Allah’ as we call Him] is completely different from His Creation-- He’s not a part of His creation and that includes the moon. Surah 41:37, which puts the death knell on the whole moon god thing, says “Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Do not prostrate to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve”.

There are a lot of books out there that are still perpetuating this nonsense that Muhammad [peace be upon him] worshiped a moon god or that he adopted one of the pagan deities so that the pagans would like him. It’s been debunked for ages, but unfortunately, the internet and ignorant authors keep this kind of stuff alive.

Yes, jews christians and muslims all believe in one God, but we have different understandings on who God is. Namely, christians believe that God is a trinity, while muslims and jews believe that He is just a single person.

 

[Robyn_p]

i dont want throw any fire into this topic but there was someone that said this to be on a youtube post, i hope somebody can answer this question???

post by ex christian:

“Jesus is not dead and he will return. no one sin is expunged by Jesus as he is not the judge of sin and he has no authority to forgive sin…**.the idea of savior blood is even older than Jesus with mithra tamuz krishna and many other. ** …christian mess is a cannibalistic ritual of paganism.”

how should i answer this?

I’ll try and address his second point, because I like this topic. Though I think it might be a good idea to start a new thread on this, so we don’t derail this one too much and you’ll probably get a better response as well.

His claim about the idea of a savior’s blood redeeming the world being present in most ancient religions is true. That’s not a problem. In fact, it really should be a common theme in most religions, if Christianity’s claims are in fact true. Because all of humanity needs a savior. Every single person on the planet recognizes the fact that we are broken, and we can’t get out of this mess on our own. We should expect to see the human race throughout history long for a redeemer, and naturally come up with stories about one.

The fact that almost every major religion recognizes this fundamental truth, the need for a savior to atone for us, no more disproves Christianity than the fact that every major religion also believes in some form of a deity that created the cosmos. It doesn’t automatically follow that one is false or a rip off of the other just because there are similarities. (Which I’m assuming is the point he was trying to make)

What makes Christianity unique isn’t that it came up with some brand new ideas, but that it claimed that this savior that all the world had been hoping for, the one that was prophesied, REALLY came. He REALLY lived at a precise historical time, really died, and really rose! And because of that mankind is finally free. That’s what is different about Jesus. Not that he was some revolutionary figure that no one expected or saw coming, but because he was the exact one all of humanity was waiting for. And that this savior wasn’t a mere creature, but the transcendent, almighty God Who became one of us. That’s what is unique about Christianity.

I don’t really know what to make of the cannibalistic charge, since there’s not much to go off of there. As far as his charge that Jesus has no authority goes…that all depends on who Jesus actually was. If he was just a rabbi or even a prophet, then this person on youtube is correct, he could not possibly have had the power to forgive sins. Jesus’ enemies made that exact same claim two thousand years ago, and they were right. But, if he was God, then that changes everything. So the real issue is discovering who exactly Jesus is.

 

[Robyn_p]

When the Qur’an refers to ‘Ahl al-Kitab’, which means ‘People of the Book’, it can be referring to jews alone, christians alone, or both jews and christians (depending on the context). Surah 2 is enough to prove this because it talks about the ‘People of the Book’ and how they worshiped a golden calf in the days of Moses [peace be upon him]. Who was it that worshiped the calf? we know that it was the jews, therefore, in this context, the ‘People of the Book’ is identified as the jewish people.

This whole moon god theory is a big misunderstanding. There may have been an idol around the Ka’aba that the pagans identified as Allah, but even if that were the case, it’s utterly irrelevant to Islam. No muslim has ever believed that Allah is a moon god. “Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two, or three, or four (pairs): He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things” (Surah 35:1 of the Qur’an)

It’s like how some of the jews used to worship Baal. Would it be fair to say that the jews today worship Baal or that their religion is based on the cult of Baal? No, and the same applies to Islam here.

It has always been the belief of Muslims that God, [or ‘Allah’ as we call Him] is completely different from His Creation-- He’s not a part of His creation and that includes the moon. Surah 41:37, which puts the death knell on the whole moon god thing, says “Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Do not prostrate to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve”.

There are a lot of books out there that are still perpetuating this nonsense that Muhammad [peace be upon him] worshiped a moon god or that he adopted one of the pagan deities so that the pagans would like him. It’s been debunked for ages, but unfortunately, the internet and ignorant authors keep this kind of stuff alive.

Yes, jews christians and muslims all believe in one God, but we have different understandings on who God is. Namely, christians believe that God is a trinity, while muslims and jews believe that He is just a single person.

Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding drac!

 

[drac16]

Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding drac!

My pleasure. There’s also evidence, both historically and Qur’anically, that most of Muhammad’s fiercest enemies and persecutors were pagans. Would that have made sense if Muhammad [peace be upon him] was indeed teaching a religion that was pagan in origin? Would it have made sense if the Hajj pilgrimage was just a rehashed pagan ritual? What would have made the pagans so upset if this religion of Muhammad’s was just another one of the many pagan cults?

That’s just something to think about.