Moral Doctrine

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Just recently I heard a government official announce that the cc hadn’t taken an official stand on abortion. I was under the impression that it had, but am I wrong? Why would she say something like that if the cc was against it? How does the cc handle people like that? I have heard that some priets won’t offer them communion, but some do. Is that out of bounds as far as it concerns the cc? If you do have priests who still give it, how does the pope handle that? That would seem to me that their is a serious lack of unity, and a serious breach of holding to truth as defined by the church.

By the way, I do know that some protestants don’t see anything wrong with abortion, and I do know that some churches will not allow its supporters to hold any positions of authority. I say this to point out that I don’t want to start an arguement. I am just asking an innocent question. It has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with doctrine and how the pope deals with priests who aren’t “loyal” (not sure of any other word to use) to the cc’s teachings. Thanks in advance.
 
The Catholic Church condemns abortion as a grave evil. The Catholic Church could not be any clearer on this point. The Government Official is wrong and should not be making comments on issues she obviously knows very little about.

Catholics who support abortion publicly may not receive Communion. The reason for this is because they have sinned or are sinning. They cannot receive Communion because they have sinned, and not because the Church is trying to control them.

You should refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church if you have any queries regarding the official teachings of the Church.
 
Dempsey1919 said:
The Catholic Church condemns abortion as a grave evil. The Catholic Church could not be any clearer on this point. The Government Official is wrong and should not be making comments on issues she obviously knows very little about.

Catholics who support abortion publicly may not receive Communion. The reason for this is because they have sinned or are sinning. They cannot receive Communion because they have sinned, and not because the Church is trying to control them.

You should refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church if you have any queries regarding the official teachings of the Church.
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From what I understood, I knew the church disagreed with it. I was just wondering why a catholic politician, among many others, would say such a statement and then still be allowed to reciece communion. What is supposed to be done about the priests who give it to them?
 
From what I understood, I knew the church disagreed with it. I was just wondering why a catholic politician, among many others, would say such a statement and then still be allowed to reciece communion. What is supposed to be done about the priests who give it to them?
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Unfortunately, there are many lukewarm and dissenting Catholics. Most of them are not devout Catholics, but are what I would call cultural Catholics; they are people who are Catholic simply because their family is Catholic, and not because of any deep faith in what the Church teaches.

I don’t think we can discuss what should be done to those who openly dissent from teachings. I think the decision rests entirely with their local Bishop. While I think denial of Communion is appropriate, I will leave the decision to the ecclesiastical authorities. However, I will say this: those politicians are the ones who will have to stand before God and recount their actions. Whatever they do is between them and the Lord; they alone will have to face the consequences.
 
Dempsey1919 said:
Unfortunately, there are many lukewarm and dissenting Catholics. Most of them are not devout Catholics, but are what I would call cultural Catholics; they are people who are Catholic simply because their family is Catholic, and not because of any deep faith in what the Church teaches.

I don’t think we can discuss what should be done to those who openly dissent from teachings. I think the decision rests entirely with their local Bishop. While I think denial of Communion is appropriate, I will leave the decision to the ecclesiastical authorities. However, I will say this: those politicians are the ones who will have to stand before God and recount their actions. Whatever they do is between them and the Lord; they alone will have to face the consequences.
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Gotcha, and I agree with the “cultural” thing as well. Many protestants are the same way. We do have leadership that can remove a preacher, or it can remove that church from associations, and I thought the cc did something similar. I just was under the impression that the pope would be the one to act since he is supposed to be the final word on morals and faith. To me, that would make sense. I guess what I’m getting at is I wasn’t aware that there was that much autonomy if dioceses where bishops made the decision. I thought he would have to act in accordance with what the pope had pronounced.
 
Bishops have the authority in their own diocese, but they also take orders from their superiors.

You should know that the Church has an extensive legal system, known as Canon Law. These are the rules used to govern the Church. Canon Law is the oldest functioning legal system in the West. Questions relating to excommunication and authority are legal matters. You will find your answers in the Code of Canon Law 1983:

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM

Like all legal systems, Canon Law is very extensive. The Church has lawyers whose job it is to uphold and interpret the law in the same manner as civil lawyers. These Church lawyers are referred to as Canon Lawyers.
 
That person said that, knowing full well that she was WRONG, because she supports the culture of death and is starting to lose support in the Catholic Community because of the stronger stance that the Church is taking.

There has never been doubt about it. There is no scientific doubt that life begins at conception. The only doubt is in the minds of the pro-abortion folks.
 
ralphinal said:
That person said that, knowing full well that she was WRONG, because she supports the culture of death and is starting to lose support in the Catholic Community because of the stronger stance that the Church is taking.

There has never been doubt about it. There is no scientific doubt that life begins at conception. The only doubt is in the minds of the pro-abortion folks.
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I would agree. I do not see how any person whether they are protestant, catholic, jewish, etc can look themselves in the mirror and say they love God when they support the slaughter of innocent life. It is disgusting.
 
reteeks21 said:
I would agree. I do not see how any person whether they are protestant, catholic, jewish, etc can look themselves in the mirror and say they love God when they support the slaughter of innocent life. It is disgusting.
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