Morality and the world

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As an old man or senior, I believe the world is going from bad to worse or much worse. A look at our politics, entertainment, civil laws and even some religious seems to confirm this more and more. As such, I believe the world is seperating itself more and more from traditional Christian beliefs and values. Is this one man’s opinion the general consenus or not? Also, is this ever growing abandonment of moral values suppose to be a sign that the end times are coming to a conclusion?
 
As an old man or senior, I believe the world is going from bad to worse or much worse. A look at our politics, entertainment, civil laws and even some religious seems to confirm this more and more. As such, I believe the world is seperating itself more and more from traditional Christian beliefs and values. Is this one man’s opinion the general consenus or not? Also, is this ever growing abandonment of moral values suppose to be a sign that the end times are coming to a conclusion?
As a not-so-old woman 😉 I agree with you about what is happening these days, but when I read Church history, I find out it’s not the first time, so I do not think it is a sign that end times are coming.
 
As an old man or senior, I believe the world is going from bad to worse or much worse. A look at our politics, entertainment, civil laws and even some religious seems to confirm this more and more. As such, I believe the world is seperating itself more and more from traditional Christian beliefs and values. Is this one man’s opinion the general consenus or not? Also, is this ever growing abandonment of moral values suppose to be a sign that the end times are coming to a conclusion?
I share it. Poster St. Francis is right to point out this is not the first time the Church has been in bad shape, but this particular time seems worse even by the relatively low historical bar set. Has any society ever butchered as many of its children as ours has? And we forget that atheism, seemingly so normative today, is historically virtually nonexistent.
 
I share it. Poster St. Francis is right to point out this is not the first time the Church has been in bad shape, but this particular time seems worse even by the relatively low historical bar set. Has any society ever butchered as many of its children as ours has? And we forget that atheism, seemingly so normative today, is historically virtually nonexistent.
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there have been terrible things in every age and the “older” generation always seems to think that the “younger” generation is worse than the older. I would disagree. The technological advances that we are seeing have a great propensity for evil but they have great propensity for good as well. an example is the younger generation when polled are resoundingly against abortion. while the current society has the ability to look at porn at will on the computer. the technology has given the world the ability to know the love of Jesus Christ in a form that it never in its history has had the ability to do before. i would argue that never in the history of the world have people been so educated. so to answer your question its a matter of opinion but i have faith in my generation and i pray that we will change the world for the better
 
there have been terrible things in every age and the “older” generation always seems to think that the “younger” generation is worse than the older. I would disagree. The technological advances that we are seeing have a great propensity for evil but they have great propensity for good as well. an example is the younger generation when polled are resoundingly against abortion. while the current society has the ability to look at porn at will on the computer. the technology has given the world the ability to know the love of Jesus Christ in a form that it never in its history has had the ability to do before. i would argue that never in the history of the world have people been so educated. so to answer your question its a matter of opinion but i have faith in my generation and i pray that we will change the world for the better
Very well said and I agree.
 
I am sorry, but I just don’t share your optimism. I just believe the world was a lot more innocent say back in 50’s and 60’s.And that today there is a growing darkness in the world. However, I hope that you are right, but just in case I will always take refuge in my Christian faith no matter how bad things get in the world. God bless.
 
I am sorry, but I just don’t share your optimism. I just believe the world was a lot more innocent say back in 50’s and 60’s.And that today there is a growing darkness in the world. However, I hope that you are right, but just in case I will always take refuge in my Christian faith no matter how bad things get in the world. God bless.
50s? You mean when you people were still for racial segregation? :rolleyes:
 
As a young person (21) I believe you are correct. I believe that in the future a Marxist revolution will take place. Religion and traditional values were its main obstacles. I believe the chastisement we were warned about in Akita will come to pass, but only after much bloodshed from those who want to create an earthly utopia.
 
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Sorry, but are you accusing them of atheism or of comparable levels of infanticide? Even at their worst I don’t think the Romans achieved our numbers.
50s? You mean when you people were still for racial segregation? :rolleyes:
And when streets were safer, families were intact, people made more money, etc. I know racial discrimination is one of the few things leftists allow to be recognized as sins but surely you can’t possibly think the trade-off has been worthwhile, even from a consequentialist standpoint.
 
Sorry, but are you accusing them of atheism or of comparable levels of infanticide? Even at their worst I don’t think the Romans achieved our numbers.
Since you condemn atheists I suppose you can condemn the pagans in the Roman Empire too. They also killed unborn children but perhaps not as many as today, true. I would however dare to say that more newborn children was killed during Roman times than in the West today. They also thought that gladiator games and a widespread slavery was normal, waging war against other people, slaughter villages and towns etc.
And when streets were safer, families were intact, people made more money, etc. I know racial discrimination is one of the few things leftists allow to be recognized as sins but surely you can’t possibly think the trade-off has been worthwhile, even from a consequentialist standpoint.
But the thread was about the world and not America and I think that the world is better now than it was during the 50s. Probably the United States of America is a better place now too and the racial segregation was a big issue, but I admit that I don’t live there so you don’t have to care much about my opinion if you don’t want to, I suppose.
 
Since you condemn atheists I suppose you can condemn the pagans in the Roman Empire too. They also killed unborn children but perhaps not as many as today, true. I would however dare to say that more newborn children was killed during Roman times than in the West today. They also thought that gladiator games and a widespread slavery was normal, waging war against other people, slaughter villages and towns etc.
Modern America wages war against people all the time. The main foreign policy debate every Presidential election seems to boil down to “Shall the next administration invade three countries, or only two?”

At any rate, we’ve managed to kill 50 million infants in the United States alone since Roe v. Wade. I believe that’s unprecedented. If I’m wrong, let’s split the difference and say we’re only slightly better than the Romans at their worst – with respect to infanticide. (On some other issues, such as homosexual “marriage,” we’re markedly worse).
But the thread was about the world and not America and I think that the world is better now than it was during the 50s. Probably the United States of America is a better place now too and the racial segregation was a big issue, but I admit that I don’t live there so you don’t have to care much about my opinion if you don’t want to, I suppose.
The world as a whole is certainly better in some respects. Communism and its manifold horrors are largely gone, for instance. It’s worse in others, though – America is falling the heck apart and of course we’ve become total mad degenerates.

Note, interestingly, the trend there. The world is better to the extent than one particularly extreme manifestation of the leftism (communism) is gone. It is worse to the extent that leftism has metastasized in broader Western society (i.e., “The Sacrament of Abortion,” gay “marriage,” 40%+ illegitimacy rate, etc. etc.).

In what other respect is the West doing well? We still have segregation, just de facto instead of de jure. We segregate by economics and by choice (i.e., what is now euphemistically called “white flight”) instead of by force of law. American blacks certainly aren’t doing any better. I read the other day their illegitimacy rate is north of 70% now. Their families are falling apart. Their communities are riven by violent crime. They are substantially poorer than they were during the bad old days of segregation (everyone is, of course, but black Americans have been beaten the worst in this respect). The numbers of young black men that wind up in prison or dead before their 21st birthday are astounding and I believe are not paralleled by any other group in present society. The problem here is that desegregation was part of a larger package deal (i.e., of leftism) which was on the whole net-bad for society as a whole and especially American blacks.

But then I’m coming at this from a much different place. I think that segregation was an evil only to the extent that it denied blacks the opportunity to form a real, coherent, thriving subculture of their own. They should’ve been asked to form ethnic ghettos of their own, wherein they could order their social structure however they pleased and behaved accordingly, rather than live in and among whites but with fewer privileges. I really fail to see segregation as an evil qua evil, because it isn’t one. It’s everywhere among us, even now, in our nominally integrated, society. People just prefer to be with their own, and all our efforts to force them to live with and among one another are failing, and failing violently. So clearly this loyalty to particular groups and ties corresponds to a real and permanent need of the human spirit.

That’s quite a rant, sorry! But I tend to spend a lot of time thinking about these things and CAF is the only forum where I can/actually do express them.
 
there have been terrible things in every age and the “older” generation always seems to think that the “younger” generation is worse than the older. I would disagree. The technological advances that we are seeing have a great propensity for evil but they have great propensity for good as well. an example is the younger generation when polled are resoundingly against abortion. while the current society has the ability to look at porn at will on the computer. the technology has given the world the ability to know the love of Jesus Christ in a form that it never in its history has had the ability to do before. i would argue that never in the history of the world have people been so educated. so to answer your question its a matter of opinion but i have faith in my generation and i pray that we will change the world for the better
That maybe so but - if I compare now with when most of “us” old folks were kids it is different then its ever been. We left our front door unlocked at night , you could leave something on your lawn and no one would steal it and if they did a neighbor would try to stop them - whom you would know.I could be 10-20 blocks from my house and everyone knew me or my parents.I knew every neighbor on the street and I could walk without fear of being robed - or course there was always big dogs and bullys to contend with but that was nothing - when we had a fight you would bend the other kids arm till he cried and the fight would be over - now you punch till they go down and then kick them as many times as you can in the head while their down - no the world has gone more evil , more selfish , and more violent. I call it the “Me” generation.The young people today will never know the way things were in the 50s 60s 70s and even early 80s but now can’t even compare - these are different times then there have ever been .
 
That maybe so but - if I compare now with when most of “us” old folks were kids it is different then its ever been. We left our front door unlocked at night , you could leave something on your lawn and no one would steal it and if they did a neighbor would try to stop them - whom you would know.I could be 10-20 blocks from my house and everyone knew me or my parents.I knew every neighbor on the street and I could walk without fear of being robed - or course there was always big dogs and bullys to contend with but that was nothing - when we had a fight you would bend the other kids arm till he cried and the fight would be over - now you punch till they go down and then kick them as many times as you can in the head while their down - no the world has gone more evil , more selfish , and more violent. I call it the “Me” generation.The young people today will never know the way things were in the 50s 60s 70s and even early 80s but now can’t even compare - these are different times then there have ever been .
Very well said and I couldn’t agree with it more!
 
Modern America wages war against people all the time. The main foreign policy debate every Presidential election seems to boil down to “Shall the next administration invade three countries, or only two?”
So you support segregation of the races? Do you think the different races should have their own churches too?
 
Since you condemn atheists I suppose you can condemn the pagans in the Roman Empire too. They also killed unborn children but perhaps not as many as today, true. I would however dare to say that more newborn children was killed during Roman times than in the West today. They also thought that gladiator games and a widespread slavery was normal, waging war against other people, slaughter villages and towns etc.

But the thread was about the world and not America and I think that the world is better now than it was during the 50s. Probably the United States of America is a better place now too and the racial segregation was a big issue, but I admit that I don’t live there so you don’t have to care much about my opinion if you don’t want to, I suppose.
I agree. Evil hs always been around and we tend to remember only good things, lon with rose tinted glasses.

In the past, slavery,the atom bomb, child labour as a matter of course, the number of woman dying in childbirth and high infant mortality rate. Today we acknowledge and work to reduce worldwide poverty, hunger.
 
Yes, the 40’s, 50;s, and 60’s were decades in which we still had public prayer, respect for life, a much greater universal abherence to the commandments, much fewer abortions, a public education that still had respect for God and country, it was a time when the gay community was just happy with “stay out of our bedroom”.
I wonder how older priests having heard confessions for the last 40, 50 years of Christians would rate the world today, if they could tell, as opposed to those earlier decades? I suspect most would be in agreement with my first thread on this subject.
 
Sorry, but are you accusing them of atheism or of comparable levels of infanticide? Even at their worst I don’t think the Romans achieved our numbers.
Review your history. Minus the rose-tinted glasses please. The Romans (or any ancient conquering power for that matter) were ruthless when it came to expanding territory and maintaining power. Atheism pre-dates their empire all the way to the time of the Greeks. Infanticide was quite rampant considering that villages were often razed because of war and conquest. You also have the likes of the the Pharaoh from Exodus and King Herod.

The way you compare America’s wars with the ones of ancient empires is laughable. Out of all three of our colonizers, America was the most benevolent with the least count of atrocities. Heck they suffered alongside us when the Japs arrived here in WWII.
And when streets were safer, families were intact, people made more money, etc.
Only if you were a white man. :rolleyes:
 
Yes, the 40’s, 50;s, and 60’s were decades in which we still had public prayer, respect for life, a much greater universal abherence to the commandments, much fewer abortions, a public education that still had respect for God and country, it was a time when the gay community was just happy with “stay out of our bedroom”.
I wonder how older priests having heard confessions for the last 40, 50 years of Christians would rate the world today, if they could tell, as opposed to those earlier decades? I suspect most would be in agreement with my first thread on this subject.
Hi George,
I agree the world is looking pretty messed up these days!
I too grew up in some of those decades when life was ‘different’. I think about it a lot as well.
I’ve come to realize that my perseptions of things as a younger person are going to be different from what I think and percieve now.
You know how you can visit an old building from childhood, or particular area and it all seems different. The rooms seem smaller, and you notice some of the not appealing things. Maybe that special fishing hole just looks like any other spot on the bank and not quite as special when you use to fish there when you were a boy.
I imagine if we, just as we are right now, were sent back in time we would find troublesome and worrying times. How many times had you heard the older generation, while you were young, say, “The world is going to pot!” “It was never like this in my day!” etc., etc. etc.
I know my great grandmother use to say it frequently! lol I find myself saying those same things now! lol So maybe, while things are bad, it’s because we understand truth a lot differently, not as blind to the light as we were then. Leaving the contrast much more stark.
Anyway, it’s my take on it and just another way to look at it all.
 
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