Morality of Live Action's Sting operations?

[HickmanJosh]

Hi ive seen the recent videos released by live action and frankly i ind the astonishing but i was wondering about the morality of these videos, specifically ends justifying means: lying in order to do good(expose abuse).

 

[Corki]

No more immoral than what undercover policemen do all the time.

 

[st_lucy]

I don’t think there is anything wrong with showing the world what they refuse to believe. This is what will open peoples eyes to the lies of abortion. Those who get upset about are only mad that they are being forced to see the truth and that could be hard to swollow sometimes.

 

[Abyssinia]

Hi ive seen the recent videos released by live action and frankly i ind the astonishing but i was wondering about the morality of these videos, specifically ends justifying means: lying in order to do good(expose abuse).

Live Axtion are doing nothing illegal. Lila RoSE (President of Live Action) said in an interview that in 35 states it is legal to film, it is called one part consent states, youcan tape if you have the consent of the person taping. Live Action determine wit their legal team.

There is clearly and endemic problem at Planned Parenthood, 5 videos have been released so far showing employees willing to protect ‘‘Pimps,’’ in sex trafficing rings and lie about the age of underage girls so they can get birth control, abortions etc. which is against federal and state laws. What Live Action could protect underage girls in the long run, employees who are breaking the law are discovered, this could help make Planned Parenthood realix they can not keep breaking the law, this could also help the X bill passed so Planned Parenthood is no longer being given tax funds.

What about the morality of Planned Parenthood? They are covering up the sexual abuse of minors, multiple times. The employee said they can lie about the underage girls age on paper work.

 

[z0wb13]

here’s the whole story. i would suggest you read this before making any decisions one way or the other.

Planned Parenthood fires worker caught on video

By Sandhya Somashekhar
Washington Post Staff Writer

Wednesday, February 2, 2011; 3:32 PM

The Planned Parenthood employee caught on tape giving inappropriate advice to a couple posing as a pimp and a prostitute has been fired, the organization announced Wednesday.

The video, taped as part of an undercover sting by an antiabortion group, showed a clinic manager in New Jersey apparently advising the pair on how to obtain services for illegal immigrant prostitutes and sex workers as young as 14.

“We were profoundly shocked when we viewed the videotape released this morning, which depicted an employee of one of our health centers behaving in a repugnant manner that is inconsistent with our standards of care and is completely unacceptable,” Phyllis Kinsler, chief of Planned Parenthood of New Jersey, said in a statement. “The employee in the video was immediately suspended from her duties this morning and was terminated this evening.”

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In a statement Tuesday, Planned Parenthood spokesman Stuart Schear said that immediately after the Jan. 13 visit, the clinic staff alerted the national organization and contacted local authorities about the possibility of a sex ring operating in the area.

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At least 12 clinics in six states received visits in January by men claiming to be engaged in sex trafficking, according to Planned Parenthood. In each case, the clinic’s staff notified federal and local authorities. Planned Parenthood also sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Jan. 18 citing its concerns about sex trafficking and suggesting that the visits might be part of a hoax.

i think this sort of thing is dishonest, and i don’t see how any good can come from it. the claim that’s being made is absurd at best, because PP doesn’t promote prostitution. dishonestly begets more dishonesty. Romans 12:17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody.

 

[Geremia]

Addressing “Whether every lie is a sin?,” St. Thomas writes:

Objection 3. Further, the deeds of holy men are related in Sacred Writ that they may be a model of human life. But we read of certain very holy men that they lied. Thus (Genesis 12 and 20) we are told that Abraham said of his wife that she was his sister. Jacob also lied when he said that he was Esau, and yet he received a blessing (Genesis 27:27-29). Again, Judith is commended (Judith 15:10-11) although she lied to Holofernes. Therefore not every lie is a sin.

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Reply to Objection 3. …] Some, however, are commended in the Scriptures, not on account of perfect virtue, but for a certain virtuous disposition, seeing that it was owing to some praiseworthy sentiment that they were moved to do certain undue things. It is thus that Judith is praised, not for lying to Holofernes, but for her desire to save the people, to which end she exposed herself to danger. And yet one might also say that her words contain truth in some mystical sense.

I would say Lila Rose does indeed have “a certain virtuous disposition” for fighting for the respect of women and for defending the unborn.

 

[Geremia]

Addressing “Whether every lie is a sin?,” St. Thomas writes:

Objection 3. Further, the deeds of holy men are related in Sacred Writ that they may be a model of human life. But we read of certain very holy men that they lied. Thus (Genesis 12 and 20) we are told that Abraham said of his wife that she was his sister. Jacob also lied when he said that he was Esau, and yet he received a blessing (Genesis 27:27-29). Again, Judith is commended (Judith 15:10-11) although she lied to Holofernes. Therefore not every lie is a sin.

…]

Reply to Objection 3. …] Some, however, are commended in the Scriptures, not on account of perfect virtue, but for a certain virtuous disposition, seeing that it was owing to some praiseworthy sentiment that they were moved to do certain undue things. It is thus that Judith is praised, not for lying to Holofernes, but for her desire to save the people, to which end she exposed herself to danger. And yet one might also say that her words contain truth in some mystical sense.

I would say Lila Rose does indeed have “a certain virtuous disposition” for fighting for the respect of women and for defending the unborn. She is a modern day Judith.

 

[Geremia]

Addressing “Whether every lie is a sin?,” St. Thomas writes:

Objection 3. Further, the deeds of holy men are related in Sacred Writ that they may be a model of human life. But we read of certain very holy men that they lied. Thus (Genesis 12 and 20) we are told that Abraham said of his wife that she was his sister. Jacob also lied when he said that he was Esau, and yet he received a blessing (Genesis 27:27-29). Again, Judith is commended (Judith 15:10-11) although she lied to Holofernes. Therefore not every lie is a sin.

…]

Reply to Objection 3. …] Some, however, are commended in the Scriptures, not on account of perfect virtue, but for a certain virtuous disposition, seeing that it was owing to some praiseworthy sentiment that they were moved to do certain undue things. It is thus that Judith is praised, not for lying to Holofernes, but for her desire to save the people, to which end she exposed herself to danger. And yet one might also say that her words contain truth in some mystical sense.

I would say Lila Rose does indeed have “a certain virtuous disposition” for fighting for the respect of women and for defending the unborn. She is a modern day Judith.

 

[Abyssinia]

here’s the whole story. i would suggest you read this before making any decisions one way or the other.

i think this sort of thing is dishonest, and i don’t see how any good can come from it. the claim that’s being made is absurd at best, because PP doesn’t promote prostitution. dishonestly begets more dishonesty. Romans 12:17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody.

Planned Parenthood only went to the FBI when they suspected they where undercover actors, not because of the cover up going on in their clinics.

Steve Wager, President of Renewal Forum, Former DIR. Human Trafficking program, USDHSS, has said of these Live Action exposes, The employees caught in the videos are facilitating human trafficking. There is no effort to rescue the kids, these employees have an obligation to report abuse (prostitution of a kid) to state authorities, and a moral obligation to help the kids escape.

There is no possibility of presumed consent to get an abortion, these kids are in situations of slavery, the person who benefits from the kids getting an abortion is the trafficker so they can get back out and make more money.

Who are people here defending this employee? Is is because that mainly of the people who believe women have the inherent right to suffer the trauma of an abortion, also think it is perfectly legitimate through prostitution?

Prostitution is a dignity crushing, personality destroying serious of rapes, do people believe in the Pretty women prostitution, that Julia Roberts is standing there and Richard Gere turns up, this is a fantasy. Talk to any survivor of prostitution.

 

[vera_dicere]

What do people want?

A mountain of dead babies, raped girls, and harmed women or a few pro-lifers making you feel a tad uncomfortable because they’re telling porkies to the same company that kills babies, assists rapists and harms women?

PP isn’t going to stand up in front of the cameras and say they do those things, someone has to expose them.

 

[Telemachus]

Could the determination of the morality of Live Action’s sting operations fall under the category of Just War theory? This is a war, you know. Complaining about Live Action’s operations is a bit like complaining about the United States using spies during World War II. Since the civil authorities won’t do anything to stop the slaughter of children, others must do it instead. God’s Law is higher than civil law, and civil law is only to be obeyed when reasonably just and convenient for the sake of peace.

God Bless Lila Rose and all who sail with her!

-Tele

 

[Corki]

PP isn’t going to stand up in front of the cameras and say they do those things, someone has to expose them.

Expose is the perfect word. Live Action did not create the scenario “just because;” they used what they knew was **already going on **and used actors to catch PP in the act and on film.

 

[beafedor]

Ephesians chapter 5, my fav verses:
“Take no part in the fruitless works of darkness; rather expose them, for it is shameful even to mention the things done by them in secret; but everything exposed by the light becomes visible.”

 

[catharina]

Planned Parenthood only went to the FBI when they suspected they where undercover actors, not because of the cover up going on in their clinics.

Steve Wager, President of Renewal Forum, Former DIR. Human Trafficking program, USDHSS, has said of these Live Action exposes, The employees caught in the videos are facilitating human trafficking. There is no effort to rescue the kids, these employees have an obligation to report abuse (prostitution of a kid) to state authorities, and a moral obligation to help the kids escape.

**There is no possibility of presumed consent to get an abortion, these kids are in situations of slavery, the person who benefits from the kids getting an abortion is the trafficker so they can get back out and make more money. **

YEP. That’s the bottom line. Thanks.

Who are people here defending this employee? Is is because that mainly of the people who believe women have the inherent right to suffer the trauma of an abortion, also think it is perfectly legitimate through prostitution?

Prostitution is a dignity crushing, personality destroying serious of rapes, do people believe in the Pretty women prostitution, that Julia Roberts is standing there and Richard Gere turns up, this is a fantasy. Talk to any survivor of prostitution.

 

[catharina]

Ephesians chapter 5, my fav verses:
“Take no part in the fruitless works of darkness; rather expose them, for it is shameful even to mention the things done by them in secret; but everything exposed by the light becomes visible.”

Love it.

:clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[st_lucy]

catharina:
This is the part that is most bothersome to me. How can anyone admonish Live Action for bring this out to the public and how can anyone stand by PP when this is being shown not in one office but in numerious office.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Lila Rose has started an earthquake under PP’s buildings…or maybe it’s a Heaven-quake…The people who are defending PP are trying to stop the quake from swallowing their sacred cow of unimpeded baby murdering.

The abortion industry does not fear repeal of Roe v. Wade, which they have successfully stopped for 38 years now. But these seemingly small David stones, along with free ultrasounds offered on-site by pro-life organizations, will bring PP down forever.

We’re winning this battle! We just can’t give up. Please support all the pro-life organizations in your area, and PRAY unceasingly for their success.

(In Texas the legislature and the governor are united in passing a bill that MANDATES all abortion clinics to show the mother the ultrasound of her baby and the sound of its heartbeat, and sign a paper saying she has done so. I still do not trust any profit-making business not to cheat on this, but it is a huge piece torn away from the foundation of SECRECY and LIES that PP is built upon.)

 

[catharina]

Lila Rose has started an earthquake under PP’s buildings…or maybe it’s a Heaven-quake…The people who are defending PP are trying to stop the quake from swallowing their sacred cow of unimpeded baby murdering.

The abortion industry does not fear repeal of Roe v. Wade, which they have successfully stopped for 38 years now. But these seemingly small David stones, along with free ultrasounds offered on-site by pro-life organizations, will bring PP down forever.

We’re winning this battle! We just can’t give up. Please support all the pro-life organizations in your area, and PRAY unceasingly for their success.

(In Texas the legislature and the governor are united in passing a bill that MANDATES all abortion clinics to show the mother the ultrasound of her baby and the sound of its heartbeat, and sign a paper saying she has done so. I still do not trust any profit-making business not to cheat on this, but it is a huge piece torn away from the foundation of SECRECY and LIES that PP is built upon.)

BTW, in the forum, Prayer Intentions,
I started a prayer request for Lila Rose.

This young lady is a life-saver in every way.
May Our Lord and the saints protect her and hers.

 

[canadianguy1143]

More people speak out:

ncregister.com/blog/can-you-lie-for-a-good-cause

Maybe Live Action’s sting operations are good for more than the obvious reasons as it exposes very dangerous thinking in Pro life circles and can assess who is playing with a full deck or not.

 

[hxcCatholic413]

Today in my public speaking class my teacher rolled her eyes about the pro-life movement and said that Live Action edited it to “spread their propaganda” she also mentioned that she once worked at Planned Parenthood…I cried inside