Morality of questioning for the sake of questioning

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Something that came to my mind is how in school in religion class there was a handout about the nature of questioning and how it’s bad to question for the sake of questioning (i.e. the act of questioning I guess).An example of this I suppose is a question like if God can only offer you two things freedom or love which one would you choose?.Anything that the forum would like to add?.Thank you very much so for your time.
 
The only reason for questioning that I can see is to get an answer. My experience of those who object to “questioning for the sake of questioning” is that their real objection is to people questioning beliefs they hold dear but cannot justify.
 
In the example you gave, it’s a silly question because you can’t have true love without freedom, so there’s really no choosing between them. If that is really an example of the kind of questioning that is being critiqued by the class handout, then it makes sense, though I don’t know why it would be called “questioning for the sake of questioning”. More like “irrational questioning.” Another question of the sort would be something like “which would be harder to do, drawing a square circle or multiplying an integer by two and getting an odd number?” Both are impossible, so it’s a nonsensical question.
 
In the example you gave, it’s a silly question because you can’t have true love without freedom, so there’s really no choosing between them. If that is really an example of the kind of questioning that is being critiqued by the class handout, then it makes sense…
Well, it makes sense to ask the question and work out the ‘obvious’ answer for yourself, rather than never come across it or just be told. If the OP is concerned about the morality of questioning for the sake of questioning, I hope that’s not a question…!
 
The handout may be intended to illustrate how faith is more important than asking a lot of questions. Most people don’t have time to go into theological or philosophical questions very deeply. It depend on the level of your religion class.
 
Something that came to my mind is how in school in religion class there was a handout about the nature of questioning and how it’s bad to question for the sake of questioning (i.e. the act of questioning I guess).An example of this I suppose is a question like if God can only offer you two things freedom or love which one would you choose?.Anything that the forum would like to add?.Thank you very much so for your time.
LOVE! Who needs freedom with God’s love?
 
LOVE! Who needs freedom with God’s love?
Love without freedom is slavery. It’s a false dichotomy.

As someone who’s recently recovered from two successive anxiety-disorder induced nervous breakdowns, I can tell you the problem with questioning: you need faith to exist.

And I don’t even mean religious faith. I mean the sheer brute belief that everything other people say isn’t a lie, that normal cleaning methods are sufficient, that horrible crimes are statistical anomalies. Anyone who hasn’t looked into that abyss of doubt doesn’t get to talk about people being credulous—you could always check more, trust less, ask another question. For two years, I did it—I checked and checked and checked again, until physical exhaustion made me fall asleep—and it damn near killed me.
 
Love without freedom is slavery. It’s a false dichotomy.
You have got to serve somebody! Even in purely capitalistic societies, you have got to serve somebody! Nobody is truly free! Might as well go with the love!
 
You have got to serve somebody! Even in purely capitalistic societies, you have got to serve somebody! Nobody is truly free! Might as well go with the love!
Even in purely capitalistic societies? I think you mean especially—capitalism means the majority of people are employees of the minority who do the investing.

But even then, you’re wrong. The thing—the only one—that separates capitalism from slavery is that the contracts are freely entered, without coercion. Similarly, a vassal (which word, apparently people don’t know, means “nobleman who isn’t sovereign”—it perfectly translates the word “samurai”) serves his lord freely.

What did you think freedom meant? It doesn’t mean lacking obligations and serving nobody; the word for that is “alone”, not free.
 
Even The thing—the only one—that separates capitalism from slavery is that the contracts are freely entered, without coercion.
The dire need to support oneself isn’t coercion? Capitalism=slavery in disguise! In the name of “freedom” we are made slaves! Talk about a contradiction in terms!
 
The dire need to support oneself isn’t coercion? Capitalism=slavery in disguise! In the name of “freedom” we are made slaves! Talk about a contradiction in terms!
It can be argued that capitalism’s contracts consist of leonine (desperation) contracts. However, economic necessity is not identical with coercion.

And dude, seriously, too many exclamation points.
 
However, economic necessity is not identical with coercion.
Economic necessity may not be identical to coercion, but they certainly serve a similar purpose.

Anyway, I would much rather be a slave who is loved than a “free” person who lacks any sense of dignity and purpose in one’s work.
 
Something that came to my mind is how in school in religion class there was a handout about the nature of questioning and how it’s bad to question for the sake of questioning (i.e. the act of questioning I guess).An example of this I suppose is a question like if God can only offer you two things freedom or love which one would you choose?.Anything that the forum would like to add?.Thank you very much so for your time.
If you don’t have an itch, don’t scratch it, or you’ll make a sore.
 
Economic necessity may not be identical to coercion, but they certainly serve a similar purpose.

Anyway, I would much rather be a slave who is loved than a “free” person who lacks any sense of dignity and purpose in one’s work.
False dichotomy. Why can’t a free person be just as loved, and have just as satisfying a sense of dignity and purpose in work? It is more likely that a slave would lack such a sense, because his work is involuntary. It is also less likely that he is loved, because no one leaves someone he loves in slavery.

Economic necessity, according to the scriptures, was forced upon us by God, who exiled Adam from the garden and made him sweat and toil for his bread. We , though not guilty of the sin, must share the punishment. How’s that for injustice? For those of us who are free from faith in that fairy tale, the nature of our bodies entails labor. That’s just the way it is. But Capitalism has brought more freedom and prosperity, and longer lifespans, to more people than any other economic system yet devised.
 
False dichotomy. Why can’t a free person be just as loved, and have just as satisfying a sense of dignity and purpose in work? It is more likely that a slave would lack such a sense, because his work is involuntary. It is also less likely that he is loved, because no one leaves someone he loves in slavery.

Economic necessity, according to the scriptures, was forced upon us by God, who exiled Adam from the garden and made him sweat and toil for his bread. We , though not guilty of the sin, must share the punishment. How’s that for injustice? For those of us who are free from faith in that fairy tale, the nature of our bodies entails labor. That’s just the way it is. But Capitalism has brought more freedom and prosperity, and longer lifespans, to more people than any other economic system yet devised.
The problem with the present day with our American capitalistic society has become influenced and infiltrated by corporatism and turned a simple free trade machine into a hyper-capitalistic bank cartel monster. The objective is to obtain more and more profit, the centrality of the economy now is profit at all costs, especially making things cheap by means of cheap/slave labor in 3rd world countries and selling big around the world. The original design of capitalism was to center the human person for the economy, for the human was the intrinsic value for the system. What was said “I work to live” is now “I live to work”. As CS. Lewis put it “put the first thing first”, the economy should always put the human person first before profits.

Robert is right, in the sense that to even make ends meat in this economy you must slave yourself. Presently in my business, we have to do 2-3 times more work then before the house bubble collapse in '08 and still are making less then before. The politicians and banksters have done well in subduing the world into the 9 to 5 mentality, and people know exactly what I mean by that. 9 to 5, groundhogs day, SSDD routine. Though I agree with GK. Chesterton on the joys of monotony, but only when it is something holy. The monotony that this present day capitalism has shackled people under a quasi-despot atmosphere, not a rule under one but of an oligarchy, and it’s getting worse every year. Though I love working, especially outside with manual labor, and I hate idleness, as it is the enemy of the soul, work is getting in the way of more important things such as Mass, family time, community activities, etc… and this is not gonna to keep going the way it is.
Something that came to my mind is how in school in religion class there was a handout about the nature of questioning and how it’s bad to question for the sake of questioning (i.e. the act of questioning I guess).An example of this I suppose is a question like if God can only offer you two things freedom or love which one would you choose?.
As long as the one doing the questioning is presenting the question in order to get an answer then it is extremely healthy to question. But presenting a question and being ignorant of the answer or not willing to accept any answer at all is fruitless, it’s contrary to the very nature of questioning. But a belief that discourages questioning the faith is usually a cult, no need to go into details why, and you should run like hell from those kinds of people.

To your question, I choose both because choosing freedom or love is not separate, but both are inseparable. In freedom we find love ever present and active and in love you will always find that freedom was the predecessor.
 
A lot of people complain about “cheap slave labor in Eastern countries,” but what is the alternative for those people? Do they have the social infrastructures we have like welfare, unemployment, and so forth? Has anyone asked the “slaves” whether* they* would rather be without their jobs? What is a “fair wage” in those countries, and who should have the power to enforce it? Should we? How, and on what grounds? No world consensus appointed the US as global justice enforcer.
While labor unions have hugely benefited the workforce and remedied many injustices, they have also priced the American worker almost out of the global market in this era of international corporations. If Megacorp. Intl. LLC finds it cheaper to pay workers in Malaysia $1.00 an hour (which is a dollar more than they would have otherwise) rather than pay an American $15.00 plus health benefits, what argument are you going to make that the American is better for the company? Justice? What would happen if they listened, and paid the Malaysian worker the same as American rates? The Malaysian would be far richer than the American relative to the local economy where prices are scaled based on an average pay of $1,00/hour, so the Malaysians would buy more, which would raise the price of everything to the point where it takes $15.00 to buy what $1.00 would buy before. Then Megacorp goes out of business because it can’t compete with Giantco, which still pays its employees $1.00 an hour (impoverishing them because of the higher prices). Thus Megacorp’s employees in Malaysia are unemployed and everything costs 15 times what it did before. Granted, the present system is far from ideal, but how is this helping? It’s easy, and makes us feel righteous, to say companies should put people ahead of profits, but what except profits enables companies to keep people on the payroll at all? If the company makes no profits, it goes under and everybody is unemployed. Will feeling virtuous pay the bills? Get real.
 
As someone who’s recently recovered from two successive anxiety-disorder induced nervous breakdowns, I can tell you the problem with questioning: you need faith to exist.

And I don’t even mean religious faith. I mean the sheer brute belief that everything other people say isn’t a lie, that normal cleaning methods are sufficient, that horrible crimes are statistical anomalies. Anyone who hasn’t looked into that abyss of doubt doesn’t get to talk about people being credulous—you could always check more, trust less, ask another question. For two years, I did it—I checked and checked and checked again, until physical exhaustion made me fall asleep—and it damn near killed me.
I’m glad you are recovered and wish and pray that you find continued success in combating this.

I’ve not suffered as you have but I have in a much less serious way experienced this. Healthy inquisition is good. But endless questions and doubts are not. They can be quite literally maddening. We are not God. We do not have the capacity to fully understand anything.

Facts are not answers. We want meaning and facts alone do not provide that. Obsessively gathering facts does not answer the real questions we ask.

Getting back to the original question endless questioning can certainly be immoral. It can be prideful, in thinking that you can be like God and have ultimate knowledge and understanding. It can distract you from your duties. It can make you a pessimist. It can lead to despair.
 
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