Morality of taxes

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Can someone here in the Moral Theology subforum tell me when taxes become evil and unjust? Before replying to this message, one should check out the following links first:

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Gotta hand it to ya, Maxirad. You are an ace at slipping in Michael Voris material every chance you get. 😛 Their staff should make you advertising manager.

For those of us who aren’t interested, how about identifying your links beforehand?

Since you follow him prodigiously, why do you want anyone else’s opinion here?
 
I would ask a priest. We are morally obligated to pay taxes as long as it does not place Caeser above God.
 
Slavery was once legal yet immoral. Just as excess taxation is legal yet immoral.
 
For starters [in no particular order]:
  1. Taxes levied for the sake of taxation.
  2. Death taxes.
  3. Taxes levied to satisfy peoples’ envy.
  4. Taxes that subvert subsidiarity.
 
Here in America, I am at a loss to identify ANY tax that is immoral.

Let us remember that all taxes are the result of a majority vote and the voting public can throw the rascals out and vote in new representatives who would then remove any tax demonstrated well enough to be immoral.

We do live in a system of checks and balances, IF WE BUT EXCERCISE OUR DUTY TO VOTE INTELLIGENTLY.

Let us also remember that every tax provides some good or service that the public deems better provided by the government and not by private business. Things like police, firemen, education, roads, etc.

IMO, THE question about taxes, is “Just how much should be provided by government and how much by private business?” I can give the government my money through taxes and let them decide, or I can keep it my pocket and decide for myself how to spend my money, the fruits of my labor.

The more the government provides, the more control it has over our personal lives and the less FREEDOM we have.

TOTAL or near total government control would be immoral, IMO.

Some government services are indeed good, but too much is too much.
 
GratefulFred said:
Here in America, I am at a loss to identify ANY tax that is immoral.

Let us remember that all taxes are the result of a majority vote and the voting public can throw the rascals out and vote in new representatives who would then remove any tax demonstrated well enough to be immoral.
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Sorry, this won’t fly because the majority can be wrong and favor immoral laws. Take Jim Crow for example.
 
And eventually, the laws were changed.

Yes, sometimes the majority does get it wrong and wrong for an extended period of time. We have a number of laws that allow immoral behavior and a current push to create news laws to allow yet even more immoral behavior.

IMO, what too many people are forgetting is that God does need to come first in their lives. Godless societies simply do not succeed. We must always vote according to our Catholic conscience. But that conscience has to be well formed. Many of us do not know our Faith well enough or are willingly to vote against the tennets of our Faith in a misguided sense of Freedom for all. Life is all about the GOOD use of Freedom. Total freedom is chaos. Catholics represent about 24% of Americans, but went for Obama in 2008 by 54% - 46%. If Catholics voted according to the tennets of our Faith by say, 80% rather than 46% we could pretty much get a lot of excessive, immoral things corrected.

Meanwhile, regarding taxes, how do we rightly determine the line between an excessive, immoral tax and a not excessive, not immoral tax?

If it is a PERSONAL choice, then why not make personal choices with all other laws?

I feel I am obliged to pay the legal tax while I do what I can to end that. I must render to Caesar what is his. Christ did not say Caesar was right, but only that we owe him compliance. Today we do have democracy and we can remove Caesar. Perhaps on Nov 6, eh?
 
GratefulFred said:
… regarding taxes, how do we rightly determine the line between an excessive, immoral tax and a not excessive, not immoral tax?

If it is a PERSONAL choice, then why not make personal choices with all other laws?
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Obviously, we can’t tailor society to suit 330 million preferences.
 
It is worth noting that Chuck Norris advocated doing away with the Internal Revenue Service in his 2008 book Black Belt Patriotism. He also essentially said in the book that the Founding Fathers didn’t tax incomes or exports, though “they did tax imports.”
 
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