But take the issue of slavery. How does “reference to God” influence the decision as to whether or not slavery is permitted as morally acceptable?
The key is God.
For atheists, the discussion of morality is without reference to God. This makes the discussion of morality within reference of each one’s design.
For theists, the discussion of morality is with reference to God. This makes the discussion of morality within reference of each one’s understanding of God’s intent.
Whether atheist or theist, each one’s will decides each one’s choice; but, the perception of God is the modifier for both.
Why then was slavery acceptable?
Do you include the leaders of the Catholic Church and of other Churches who approved of slavery at certain times?
LOL! I’m the one who had to make that point repeatedly.
Of course! They weren’t infallible…
Oh yeah, that’s a super rational argument!Don’t be so darn rational. Rationality does not impress your opponents.
You missed the construction - both men do the exact same act " intentionally fall on the grenade" as a solution to the problems that they face. Their problems and therefore motivations are different. The solution is the same act.Oh yeah, that’s a super rational argument!
Just like this one: Two guys want to defeat a political candidate; one campaigns against him, the other assassinates him. Of course they both wish that there would be a different solution, one which does not involve their doing anything arduous or unpleasant. Of course they both realize that there is no other solution. So they both execute the one and only solution to solve the problem they face. Now wasn’t that rational?
Really? You mean the Pope was not infallible?
Dude, *which *pope, who authoritatively taught which doctrine???
Dude, it concerns slavery.
LOL! I just knew I could count on you to miss the point. “Intentionally fall on the grenade” is not a complete specification of the act for the purposes of moral analysis. Nice attempt to miss the point again though! They do so as a solution to the respective problems that they face. The problems are different, so that makes a difference to the moral specification of their acts. Spock wrote as if there were no need to consider the differences between the respective problems, or the different possible methods of solving those problems: “Of course they both face a problem and wish to solve that problem.” That’s not rational!You missed the construction - both men do the exact same act " intentionally fall on the grenade" as a solution to the problems that they face. Their problems and therefore motivations are different. The solution is the same act.
You have the same problem different solutions - it’s a different construction and irrelevant. Nice attempt to strawman though.
LOL! Thanks for not answering my question!
You’re welcome dude.LOL! Thanks for not answering my question!
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The fact that you use a subjective reasoning for the definition of what a lie is continues to prove my point.You just ignored what I said again.
Please note: Lying does not consist simply in saying something that is untrue. And: when there are a few exceptions to a general statement, that does not make that general statement untrue. So again:
It would also be minimally decent of you if you would either actually defend your accusation that I have been lying in this thread, or withdraw that accusation and apologize. The ball’s in your court…
Where did I mention that doing a good thing would increase the chances of survival? I said that the result (life or death) was unattached to the choice/action behind the first one, and only the result (death) was attached to the choice/action behind the second one. WHen you jump on a grenade it doesn’t automatically mean you will die, it means that you are prepared to accept that result. In suicide you are not prepared for the result, which is why people get frustrated with failed suicide attempts. The risk of dying just by driving is not the same as jumping “into” a grenade but it still exists… should I stop driving? No!Sigh - The probability for the chance of survival and death are the same for both men. They are doing the same thing - jumping on a grenade.