Morally obligated to co-sign?

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A couple of other points worth noting. Student loans cannot be cleared by bankruptcy. So, you/she will always have them on your back. If she falls behind in the payments and only she is receiving the statements for the loan, your credit could be ruined long before you’re actually notified.

I co-sign for no one - not even my children. They have college funds. They know what that amount is before they enter college. If it isn’t enough to cover the school that they want to attend, they have choices - pick a different school or work to cover the difference. Your SIL has choices too - she could stop college long enough to work and save what she needs to finish. That’s what she would have to do if there was no one else in the world to help her.

And, as another poster pointed out, taking on this loan does have an effect on your debt-to-income ratio which can negatively impact your ability to get credit in the future.

Good luck and stay tough.
 
In one word, NO.

If you co-sign, you are as obligated to repay THE FULL AMOUNT as she is. And from what you’ve said, she wouldn’t think twice about leaving you holding the bag for the entire amount. So don’t do it. If you could afford to be stuck for that kind of money…maybe. But it doesn’t sound like you could handle that kind of financial obligation, so in words of one syllable, DON’T DO IT.

(I found out the hard way.)
 
My partents have two stead fast rule.1.) you can only live at home for 6months after you finish your degree and 2.) They will not co-sign on anything for any of the kids. We made our beds and are excpeted to lay in them.

Your credit is your credit. You worked hard for it so don’t let it possible go down the drain with co-sign it with someone’s else’s credit.Think of your future bcause that debt will be there until someone (you or your sister in law) pays it off. The bank doesn’t care who’s fault it is they just want their money.
 
No, you are not obligated and if problems arise because of this (i.e., she might get offended or the other members of the family, etc…) problems will more than likely arise anyway in the future if you do it given the history that they have because they won’t repay. In fact, the problems might even be worst if you do co-sign.
 
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Sandi:
In one word, NO.

If you co-sign, you are as obligated to repay THE FULL AMOUNT as she is.
It could have repercussions that might hurt us financially or even be devastating. Let’s say we did end up having to pay the 20k, that would definitely put our savings account on low. Then what if I become pregnant? It’s always a possibility… so yes, I do think it could hurt us more than we know. Along with that is the massacre of our credit. I do know co-signing is unwise and foolish, that’s for sure.
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AlaAnnie:
If she falls behind in the payments and only she is receiving the statements for the loan, your credit could be ruined long before you’re actually notified.

I co-sign for no one - not even my children.
When talking to my mother about this, she said she wouldn’t even co-sign if it were me. I definitely understand how foolish it is to co-sign. I didn’t know that our credit could be ruined before we’re actually notified. That really would be giving the shirts off our backs, and pretty much our lives, or the quality of it.
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kage_ar:
IMHO, it is wrong to go into deep debt to get a college diploma, debt that can crush for years and years - bad idea.
I agree, although after years of college already, I think she’s pretty much maxed out and can’t afford any more. She appears to be okay with all this because pharmacists make something around 100k, which is what she’ll be supposedly hired for immediately upon completion.
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puzzleannie:
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 If you are looking for an excuse to give your relative, simply say, which is quite likely true, you are trying to qualify for your own mortgage
you have no moral obligation whatever to co-sign a loan for anyone, including your own children. To co-sign means you are making yourself potentially liable for the debt, which can destroy your credit in an instant. UTo co-sign a loan for someone with a history of mismanaging credit is insanity and may also be enabling their abusive habit, which is immoral in and of itself.
As far as I’m aware, we’ve already qualified for our own mortgage and it’s a done deal. But we will be needing to make some big purchases. My immediate reaction was ‘no’ because of the foolishness of co-signing. I told my husband we can offer financial help from time to time, but you’re right, co-signing just goes too far and just isn’t moral.
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thann:
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 As others here have said, you have no *moral *obligation to co-sign.
Furthermore, she needs to find her own way in the world and needs to learn this life lesson on her own. With that in mind, it is more charitable that you do *not *co-sign.

You should, of course, pray for her and offer moral support.
Good advice. Thanks.
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1ke:
Do not co-sign the loan unless you are willing and able to pay every penny of it and are willing to lose your relationship with your sister in law over it in the worst case scenario.
We don’t have a relationship with her as it is, sadly. I love her and wish the best for her. But about six years ago she lived with us for about a year. It was during that time that for some unknown reason I became deathly ill. I mysteriously lost a dangerous amount of weight, and I was chronically nauseated all the time. During that time I had to leave to re-coperate at my mother’s house. As I was recovering, she spoke bad of me to my husband, and she appeared to be trying to work hard to break up my marriage. We had to push her away, because we felt we were obligated to protect our marriage. I love her, thank God, but she is very, very intelligent when it comes to manipulation tactics, and my husband was suceptable to them. Not so much any more. I hate that we had to push her out of our lives, but she was making me so stressed that I became sick, my husband was becoming a stressed-out angry person, and our marriage was constantly under attack. She even planned our weekends, and if we didn’t agree, we were the “selfish” ones. We were walking on eggshells around her the entire time, because at any moment she could switch from rosy-cheeked-happy to very angry. Plus we had no privacy… she talked bad about everyone behind their back. Who knows if the whole fam had only her view of us. So sadly, she’s not in our lives anymore, because she’s just too dangerous. She’s not a threat to our marriage and never was, but she has been known to attack thru manipulation and other ways. For health, moral, and saftey reasons, we had to seperate ourselves from her. So the relationship is already dissolved. We haven’t spoken to her directly in over 5 years. We forgive her, we love her, but she scares us and stresses us out so bad that it literally makes us sick. But I pray for her, and I hope that God will help her, and I wish her the best. It’s a very sad situation.

Anyway, in the past we’ve already given her around two thousand. A gift.
 
I’m afraid I don’t have time to get to everyone else as I had hoped, but Light Seeker, I just wanted to say the reason is that before I didn’t realize the words of Jesus about giving to everyone, even if it’s the coat of your back. We just didn’t realize that the first time with the first sister. There is no difference between the two; co-signing with either person or with anyone is a very foolish thing to do. I just wanted to make extra sure of the moral part of this, that’s all :).
 
Don’t co-sign. It is way too expensive and it is not your moral obligation. I wouldn’t do it even for my own children! She can simply find a way around it…i.e., work for a couple of years to get back on her feet, if she wants to be really financially responsible.
 
La-Petite-Fleur, re-reading my post from the wee hours this morning made it sound like I was implying you were being a hypocrite. This was not my intent at all. 😊 Just a comparison.

It appears you know your path on this difficult family request. God Bless.
 
I’m afraid I don’t have time to get to everyone else as I had hoped, but Light Seeker, I just wanted to say the reason is that before I didn’t realize the words of Jesus about giving to everyone, even if it’s the coat of your back. We just didn’t realize that the first time with the first sister. There is no difference between the two; co-signing with either person or with anyone is a very foolish thing to do. I just wanted to make extra sure of the moral part of this, that’s all :).
Fleur, I think you have gotten some very very sound advice from the folks who’ve answered thus far. I just wanted to comment on the passage you brought up. While it does say to give your coat as well as the shirt, it does not say “If someone asks for your shirt, go into debt and buy them a coat, too.” You are not obligated, morally or otherwise, to go into debt and ruin your and your spouse’s credit for anyone just because they want you to.
 
I seriouslyy don’t think you are obliged to do it, especially if there is the issue of her not being able to pay things off.

I currently am in that situation myself. My sister asked me to co-sign for her grad school loan because she maxed out the amount she could receive a yr and needed more money for books and living costs. She was very “responsible” paying her bills, had great credit, but never to pay back borrowed $ to family memebers (me being one of them). So I thought, well, it won’t hurt since I don’t think she wants to ruin her own credit, plus if I didn’t do it she wasn’t going to be able to go to grad school.

Well, to my surprise, she dropped out of school 1.5 semesters before she graduated, didn’t want to work, and maxed out her credit cards. She didn’t have money to pay for rent so she moved back w/my mom, but left all her furniture at her old place (she lived in Ohio and moved back to California), she couldn’t afford moving her stuff to CA. She asked for more credit and got them and maxed them out again. Since she dropped out of school her loans entered repayment and wasn’t paying her loans (but she can spend about $400 on clothes and shoes every month). We were getting constant reminders that she hadn’t paid, she got never ending calls, then the loan agency started to contact me and threatening to ruin my credit.

To this day, I’m still struggling to get my name off her loan. I recently bought a house, and even in the process of it, my sister had sworn she was paying the loan (finally) but she lied, I got 3 reminders again. I asked her to please fix this or I wouldn’t be able to purchase my house. She didn’t care. I had to call this company to tell them she couldn’t pay and needed to go on forbearance. Not a cool thing but it stopped that hassle for now. I got till next month to get her to take my name off of those loans. She needs to consolidate all her 5 school loans, but they are all in default, so we can’t consolidate…

You don’t want to do it!! You’re heading for this road if you do. Your husband is your obligation, your future kids are your obligation. He married you and doesn’t have to do this for his sister, he has the financial obligation to you and future family. She should’ve thought about the money issue before she started school. She should look into scholarships or she can put school on the side for a while, while she saves money to attend. She shouldn’t have to put this burden on you!
 
I’d agree with most of the other posters. You are not morally obligated to assist. She is an adult and does have other choices available - namely work for a year or two, save the money necessary and then continue her career pursuits. As you mentioned the manipulation issue earlier - this sounds like a continuation of that earlier experience. Don’t let it get in the way. The risks are too great for you and your family and your future. You are morally obligated to care for your husband, home, and future family and happiness. You can still love your family by helping them find other ways to achieve their goals without putting your own family at risk, and morally, isn’t that the better thing to do for you family members - teach them to stand on their own and not count or rely on others. Praying for you and yours.

BTW I helped a family member out of debt recently and I made up my mind that it was indeed a gift. Murphy’s law bit me and my son got very sick and job losses followed. I could have used that money for my own family’s well being. Be very careful, cautious and wise - stuff happens when you least expect it.
 
I just thought of something else. If this gal is the clever, conniving type, she could have plans to “force” dh to leave you by claiming she won’t pay the loan back unless he files for divorce, or something else unpleasant.

RUN away from this request. Put your foot down, don’t look back.
 
My mother borrowed some money on my credit card at one time while I was in college. It was one that I didn’t use and she paid it all back. But, she was late a couple of times. Once or twice it was so late that I was receiving notices about it. (I wasn’t living with her by that time and she was receiving the bills to her house.)

This came up when I applied for a car loan years after the full amount was paid off. Fortunately this was a small amount, never hurt us (I was married at the time of the car loan), and is now off my record.

It looks like you’ve made your desicion already but just in case . . . PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not do this. As someone else said, there is a reason that banks require a co-signer. Banks want to loan money. It is the way they generate income. When they turn down a loan it is for a very good reason.
 
Thanks to everyone that responded. I knew from a financial standpoint that co-signing was very unwise. From a spiritual point, I just had to make sure that we weren’t morally obligated to co-sign, and 100% of the answers were a resounding “NO!”. Thank you to everyone for all your help. She had worked very hard on her “pitch” to us (I consider “pitches” forms of manipulation anyway, and I’m not going to give into that route again), and she had even called in the big-guns by having a loan-officer friend of hers give us her “pitch”-- which was purely in my sister-in-law’s best and only interest (very dangerous on our end, too). So no need to worry, we will absolutely not co-sign. We’ll just forward the message to her that we love her, we wish her the best, but no deal.

Thanks again to everyone.
 
La-Petite-Fleur, re-reading my post from the wee hours this morning made it sound like I was implying you were being a hypocrite. This was not my intent at all. 😊 Just a comparison.

It appears you know your path on this difficult family request. God Bless.
:hug1: I thought you raised a good point, and I’m glad you mentioned it :). It was something I was concerned about as well. 😉
 
I think Jesus’s directive applies more towards the NECESSITIES of life. Such as clothing, food, shelter, medicine, etc.

This is for a loan for graduate school for a professional degree. The whole purpose of this degree is for your sister to earn BIG BUCKS. She apparently already has an education, an undergraduate degree, way way more than many people in this world ever receive.
 
Thanks to everyone that responded. I knew from a financial standpoint that co-signing was very unwise. From a spiritual point, I just had to make sure that we weren’t morally obligated to co-sign, and 100% of the answers were a resounding “NO!”. Thank you to everyone for all your help. She had worked very hard on her “pitch” to us (I consider “pitches” forms of manipulation anyway, and I’m not going to give into that route again), and she had even called in the big-guns by having a loan-officer friend of hers give us her “pitch”-- which was purely in my sister-in-law’s best and only interest (very dangerous on our end, too). So no need to worry, we will absolutely not co-sign. We’ll just forward the message to her that we love her, we wish her the best, but no deal.

Thanks again to everyone.
Good for you!
 
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