Morals or Law?

[scameter18]

When we are voting in order to enact a certain political or legal policy, should we vote entirely based on what would be the most moral and most charitable option, or should we also take into consideration the legal parameters of the government? For example, if we Americans are voting to make abortion illegal on a federal level, if this would contradict the jurisdiction given to the federal government by the Constitution (whether it does or not I’m not sure, though that isn’t my primary point here), should we still try to do it, or should we vote to let states decide the legality of abortion?

I hope this was clear. If not, please ask and I can elucidate. Thank you all and God bless.

 

[savedOneByFaith]

When we are voting in order to enact a certain political or legal policy, should we vote entirely based on what would be the most moral and most charitable option, or should we also take into consideration the legal parameters of the government? For example, if we Americans are voting to make abortion illegal on a federal level, if this would contradict the jurisdiction given to the federal government by the Constitution (whether it does or not I’m not sure, though that isn’t my primary point here), should we still try to do it, or should we vote to let states decide the legality of abortion?

I hope this was clear. If not, please ask and I can elucidate. Thank you all and God bless.

We are all called to vote our morals. I haven’t heard of anyone considering making abortion illegal but if I did, I would support it. The closest idea out there is to defer to the states. In the republic type of government, it is appropriate to defer social issues to the states.

 

[scameter18]

So if a country’s laws say that things like abortion should be decided on a state level, we should strive towards that instead of trying to go against those laws by making it illegal on a federal level?

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

social issues

But that is just the problem. Abortion is not a “social issue” as distinct from a moral issue. The lowliest morula meets all reasonable scientific criteria for being alive and for being human. It is an objective moral issue plain and simple.

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

So if a country’s laws say that things like abortion should be decided on a state level, we should strive towards that instead of trying to go against those laws by making it illegal on a federal level?

Yes, but understand that that would only be the case if the federal government had no jurisdiction on similar matters such as murder (of which abortion is a subset) or theft.

 

[savedOneByFaith]

Yes, but understand that that would only be the case if **the federal government had no jurisdiction on similar matters such as murder **(of which abortion is a subset) or theft.

The federal government **does not have jurisdiction **on enforcing state statutes such as murder. Not unless it crosses state lines, and in that case, they are generally only enforcing an interstate exchange. Now don’t get me wrong. I believe abortion to be murder as well, but there may be a group of people who are okay with it anyhow, and it’s their right to be okay with and accept it. These are the people we need to pray for. They have California, New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts and other progressively leaning states. It was intended that we would be able to seek relief from oppressive state laws, like the laws in aforementioned states, simply by moving to another state. Sanctuary city-states even go back to the days of Joshua. I would be remiss if I were to say that anything could go in these cities, in fact, one had to be admitted by the elders of the city before they could even seek refuge. [BIBLEDRB]Joshua 20[/BIBLEDRB]

In addition, look at the HHS mandate. It’s not any more right for them to try to push abortion on demand onto us from an unelected bureaucracy. We need to understand both sides here. We do not have the right to push our belief on people, and we need to approach it with compassion and understanding. We need to win hearts and minds on this subject through individual effort, not through force and coercion. We serve God first.

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

Yes, but understand that that would only be the case if the federal government had no jurisdiction on similar matters such as murder (of which abortion is a subset) or theft.

Darn that disappearing delete button.

consider this retracted as one of the obviously stupid things said when you post during an all nighter. At some level I did know that this is obviously a matter for the states except when it crosses state lines.

 

[savedOneByFaith]

Consider my inclusion of Joshua 20 retracted, as well. It was brought to my attention that it was a little bit of a stretch of the context from the Hebrews’ concept of sanctuary cities to the modern day concept of sanctuary cities.

So far as the powers of the Federal Government, however, I stand firm that the tenth amendment of the United States Constitution states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.