More attacks vs Malaysian Catholics in 'Allah' row

[marlo]

Religion of Peace? you be the judge

globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20100114-247299/More-attacks-vs-Malaysian-Catholics-in-Allah-row

			KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia—Malaysia's Catholic Church said Thursday the offices of its lawyers have been burgled and ransacked, in the latest of a spate of attacks triggered by a row over the use of the word "Allah."

In the past week nine churches have been fire-bombed or vandalized, escalating tensions in the multicultural nation where the Muslim Malay majority lives alongside ethnic Chinese and Indian communities.
The conflict broke out after the High Court decided on December 31 to lift a government ban on non-Muslims using “Allah” as a translation for “God.”
“Our lawyer’s offices were broken into and burgled sometime between Wednesday evening and Thursday morning and the office was ransacked,” said Father Lawrence Andrew, editor of the Catholic “Herald” newspaper.
“We believe the break-in is linked to the ongoing situation over the use of the word ‘Allah’ and we are very concerned,” he told AFP.
“The law firm does not have any money or many valuables so we believe this is purely aimed at intimidation.”
The church’s lawyer Derek Fernandez said a laptop was stolen in the attack on his firm’s offices in Kuala Lumpur’s southwest, and he was investigating whether any documents had been taken.
“This was a very professional job as there were very strong grills protecting the office that were cut and the locks carefully replaced after the break-in,” he told AFP.
District police chief Arjunaidi Mohamed confirmed the break-in and said his officers were probing the incident.
The High Court ruling in favor of the Herald, which argued for the right to use “Allah” in its Malay-language section, was suspended last week pending an appeal, after the government argued the decision could cause racial conflict.
Since then, churches have been hit with Molotov cocktails, splashed with black paint and had windows smashed with stones, triggering tighter security at places of worship nationwide.
About nine percent of Malaysia’s 28 million people are Christians, including 850,000 Catholics. More than half of Malaysia’s Catholics are from indigenous groups, mostly from Borneo, and who mostly speak the national language Malay.

 

[Jehoshua]

I find the whole debacle strange, especially considering the word means precisely God, and since it has been used by arabic speaking christians for centuries and before then Pagan arabs in reference to their gods.

 

[Nine_Two]

Over here, Muslims insist they worship the same God, over there, they admit they don’t.

 

[Mosacked]

I find the whole debacle strange, especially considering the word means precisely God, and since it has been used by arabic speaking christians for centuries and before then Pagan arabs in reference to their gods.

Well, these christians are ignorant. The word does NOT mean God. The word allah is a NAME.

arabbible.com/t-Allah.aspx

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people go into exile for lack of knowledge; their honored men go hungry, and their multitude is parched with thirst.
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[Nine_Two]

Well, these christians are ignorant. The word does NOT mean God. The word allah is a NAME.

arabbible.com/t-Allah.aspx

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people go into exile for lack of knowledge; their honored men go hungry, and their multitude is parched with thirst.
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So what is the word for god in Arabic, if you don’t mind? I ask because Arab speaking Christians use the term “Allah” for God.

 

[Mosacked]

So what is the word for god in Arabic, if you don’t mind? I ask because Arab speaking Christians use the term “Allah” for God.

The arabic word for god is ILAH.

For more information, see this: arabbible.com/t-Allah.aspx

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[Nine_Two]

Doesn’t Al mean “the” so isn’t it like saying “The God” as opposed to “a god”?

 

[Mosacked]

Doesn’t Al mean “the” so isn’t it like saying “The God” as opposed to “a god”?

Language is what we humans use to communicate. God speaks His own form of ‘language’. We humans may interpret it on a syntactical basis, but that is really not important to God. What is of particular interest is the calligraphic writing of the Bismillah - the islamic worship of their ‘entity’ looks exactly like the Greek representation of 666.

I believe it is more a derivation of the word ‘allah’ from the FIGURE form that determines the purpose of the name. A representation. There were 3 daughters to Al-ilah, each of these an idol. And you may have guessed, Al-ilah (now known as allah) was the moon idol of the quaryish tribe during muhammad’s time.

And it was the worshippers of the moon idol who whipped and lashed at themselves when prophet Elijah stood against them at Mt Carmel. The moon idol was the ancient arch-enemy of God - Yahweh.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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[Nine_Two]

Language is what we humans use to communicate. God speaks His own form of ‘language’. We humans may interpret it on a syntactical basis, but that is really not important to God. What is of particular interest is the calligraphic writing of the Bismillah - the islamic worship of their ‘entity’ looks exactly like the Greek representation of 666.

I believe it is more a derivation of the word ‘allah’ from the FIGURE form that determines the purpose of the name. A representation. There were 3 daughters to Al-ilah, each of these an idol. And you may have guessed, Al-ilah (now known as allah) was the moon idol of the quaryish tribe during muhammad’s time.

And it was the worshippers of the moon idol who whipped and lashed at themselves when prophet Elijah stood against them at Mt Carmel. The moon idol was the ancient arch-enemy of God - Yahweh.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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Errr that didn’t answer the question.

And الله looks nothing like χξστ’, 666 in Greek numerals.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Errr that didn’t answer the question.

And الله looks nothing like χξστ’, 666 in Greek numerals.

I think I once saw a funny response on YouTube about that. It was made by a Muslim guy who said he didn’t understand the similarities, then said sarcastically, “Oh I get it! They both have straight lines!”

 

[Nine_Two]

I think I once saw a funny response on YouTube about that. It was made by a Muslim guy who said he didn’t understand the similarities, then said sarcastically, “Oh I get it! They both have straight lines!”

Don’t forget a couple of curved lines.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Don’t forget a couple of curved lines.

Of course! How could I have not seen that!

Of course by this very loose definition of connecting words, even Byzantine_Wolf could be 666. I’M THE ANTICHRIST!

 

[Mosacked]

Errr that didn’t answer the question.

And الله looks nothing like χξστ’, 666 in Greek numerals.

Try this: fishhouseministries.com/html/09-Europe.htm

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[Nine_Two]

Try this: fishhouseministries.com/html/09-Europe.htm

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I suppose you could take the little loop at the bottom as Chi(χ), and the middle bit resembles a Xi(ξ) but I’m not seeing the Stigma(στ or ϛ). It looks more like an epsilon(ε) actually, which would make it 665. Of course that’s if you accept those similarities. Really the Xi and Epsilon are the only ones I can see without trying real hard and imagining things that aren’t there, so I guess the number of allah is 65.

 

[Mosacked]

I suppose you could take the little loop at the bottom as Chi(χ), and the middle bit resembles a Xi(ξ) but I’m not seeing the Stigma(στ or ϛ). It looks more like an epsilon(ε) actually, which would make it 665. Of course that’s if you accept those similarities. Really the Xi and Epsilon are the only ones I can see without trying real hard and imagining things that aren’t there, so I guess the number of allah is 65.

That’s likely not the only thing you can’t see.

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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[Byzantine_Wolf]

That’s likely not the only thing you can’t see.

That’s not a response.

 

[Nine_Two]

That’s likely not the only thing you can’t see.

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Well why don’t you be so kind as to explain it to me.

Islam is wrong on many, many things, however making up nonsense is not going to convince them, and will probably leave a sour taste in the mouth of any Muslims you come in contact with, and is unlikely to result in their salvation, rather it will turn them against all Christianity.

Just because so many of them refuse to engage in honest discussion, does not mean we should resort likewise to dishonesty and lies.

 

[Kadaveri]

I’m writing this post just for those genuinely interested in learning can have access to facts, I am no longer interested in debating Mosacked.

The word *Allah *is an Arabic proper noun meaning ‘God’, etymologically related to and having the same meaning as the Hebrew *Eloh *and the Aramaic/Syriac Alaha/Elaha. It is not the name of a god.

The word for ‘god/deity’ in Arabic is ilah. The difference between *ilah *and *Allah *is the same as the difference between god and God in English. The difference is not that ilah means ‘God’ (it does not) and Allah is the name of a god.

The direct origin of the word *Allah *is not clear. There are some people who believe that it is a conjunction of *al *(the) and *ilah *(god), but this is pure conjecture. It’s a bit like someone looking at the word Arizona and using their logic to conclude that it’s a conjunction of ‘arid’ and ‘zone’; it may make some sense, but it’s probably wrong. There are substantial grammatical and phonological problems with getting from al-ilah to Allah. In my opinion, the theory that it’s a loan word from the Aramaic word for God (Alaha) which was Arabised by removing the ‘a’ at the end (which denotes the definite article and would be superfluous in Arabic) is by far the stronger theory.

*Allah *was not and has nothing to do with any ‘moon god’. The only moon deity to be worshipped by Arabs was called Almaqah, and was worshipped in a southern Arabian kingdom called Saba`, not Makkah or Madina (which are in north-western Arabia).

 

[Mosacked]

I’m writing this post just for those genuinely interested in learning can have access to facts, I am no longer interested in debating Mosacked.

The word *Allah *is an Arabic proper noun meaning ‘God’, etymologically related to and having the same meaning as the Hebrew *Eloh *and the Aramaic/Syriac Alaha/Elaha. It is not the name of a god.

The word for ‘god/deity’ in Arabic is ilah. The difference between *ilah *and *Allah *is the same as the difference between god and God in English. The difference is not that ilah means ‘God’ (it does not) and Allah is the name of a god.

The direct origin of the word *Allah *is not clear. There are some people who believe that it is a conjunction of *al *(the) and *ilah *(god), but this is pure conjecture. It’s a bit like someone looking at the word Arizona and using their logic to conclude that it’s a conjunction of ‘arid’ and ‘zone’; it may make some sense, but it’s probably wrong. There are substantial grammatical and phonological problems with getting from al-ilah to Allah. In my opinion, the theory that it’s a loan word from the Aramaic word for God (Alaha) which was Arabised by removing the ‘a’ at the end (which denotes the definite article and would be superfluous in Arabic) is by far the stronger theory.

*Allah *was not and has nothing to do with any ‘moon god’. The only moon deity to be worshipped by Arabs was called Almaqah, and was worshipped in a southern Arabian kingdom called Saba`, not Makkah or Madina (which are in north-western Arabia).

How do you debate when you have no case?

See this: arabbible.com/t-Allah.aspx

The general arabic term for a god is “ilaah”. This Arabic word is a common noun, and can either refer to any supposed god, or may also refer to the unique one. This is universally accepted among all Arabic-speaking peoples. Next, we can talk about the proper noun, or his actual Arabic name. The name universally accepted among Muslims that refers to the deity of Islam is “Allah”. There is a swirl of controversy these days about the linguistic origins of that name, but the fact remains that there is no controversy whatsoever about what Islam’s deity is named. “Allah” is his proper name, the name that he calls himself, and expects others to call him. If someone would like to contest this claim, let him consider the words of Edward William Lane, the sole author of the Arabic-English Lexicon. This eight-volume authoritative series not only took thirty years to compile, but is said to far surpass every lexicon ever produced in any language. Concerning the word “Allah”, Lane says that according to the most correct opinions of Arab grammarians, which are more than thirty in number, Allah “is a proper name”. Also, Abdul Mannan Omar, the editor of the Encyclopedia of Islam, and translator of the Qur’an into English, says directly that Allah “is not a common noun” and, like Lane, declares it to be a “proper name” (The Dictionary of the holy qur’an p.28, 29).

muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com

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[Byzantine_Wolf]

*Allah *was not and has nothing to do with any ‘moon god’. The only moon deity to be worshipped by Arabs was called Almaqah, and was worshipped in a southern Arabian kingdom called Saba`, not Makkah or Madina (which are in north-western Arabia).

Another thing about this: the use of the moon symbol by Muslims did not originate in the days of Mohammad. Back then Muslims used plain-colored flags or flags with the shahadat written on them - the use of moons on flags did not come about until its adoption by the Ottoman Empire.