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More hate targeted at Mormons:

sltrib.com/News/ci_10429146

Arson suspected in Mormon temple fire in Minnesota
The Associated Press
Article Last Updated: 09/10/2008 02:45:08 PM MDT

Posted: 2:45 PM- OAKDALE, Minn. - Authorities suspect arson in a fire at the Mormon temple in the St. Paul suburb of Oakdale.
Smoke and fire were reported in the front entry of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints temple shortly before 3 a.m. Wednesday. Fire Chief Jeff Anderson says it was mostly out by the time firefighters arrived.
The fire was mostly confined to the front doors, but Anderson says some light smoke got into a front room.
Church leaders estimate the damage at $25,000.
Investigators found no signs of forced entry, and authorities don’t believe the case is a hate crime.

There is too much hate on the Internet about mormonism and mormons. What happened doesn’t surprise me at all.
 
Investigators found no signs of forced entry, and authorities don’t believe the case is a hate crime.
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Don’t see where you’re getting that this is a hate crime, if the investigators themselves don’t think so?
 
I agree, sounds like an inside job.
Aren’t most crimes “hate” anyway?
 
Ted_in_Charlott said:
I agree, sounds like an inside job.
Aren’t most crimes “hate” anyway?
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True. Not to mention what makes one life more valuable than another, or one church? If I kill another white man, is it less of a murder if he was heterosexual than if he was homosexual?
 
If I kill another white man, is it less of a murder if he was heterosexual than if he was homosexual?

**Actually, this happened in Texas a few years ago.

Three men were found guilty of the second-degree homicide of a man who was a homosexual. The judge gave the defendants the lightest sentence possible “considering who the victim was” as he said in his sentence.**
 
why_me said:
More hate targeted at Mormons:

sltrib.com/News/ci_10429146

Arson suspected in Mormon temple fire in Minnesota
The Associated Press
Article Last Updated: 09/10/2008 02:45:08 PM MDT

Posted: 2:45 PM- OAKDALE, Minn. - Authorities suspect arson in a fire at the Mormon temple in the St. Paul suburb of Oakdale.
Smoke and fire were reported in the front entry of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints temple shortly before 3 a.m. Wednesday. Fire Chief Jeff Anderson says it was mostly out by the time firefighters arrived.
The fire was mostly confined to the front doors, but Anderson says some light smoke got into a front room.
Church leaders estimate the damage at $25,000.
Investigators found no signs of forced entry, and authorities don’t believe the case is a hate crime.

There is too much hate on the Internet about mormonism and mormons. What happened doesn’t surprise me at all.
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I’m not going to post the entire article, but the key points to the article are:

A fire of a suspicious nature was started at St. John’s Catholic Church in Custer on Thursday, Aug. 14. The fire originated from the candle lighters, long sticks used in candle lighting ceremonies, resulting in lighting two spots on the altar which eventually burned the top of the altar and a curtain behind the altar, according to Stephen McMillin, investigator at the Custer County Sheriff’s Department.

The person behind the act may have attempted to put the fires out with the blessed water that stands at the back of the church for services and ceremonies.

Here is the link to the actual article.

custercountynews.com/localnews/2008/08/fire-damages-catholic-church/

So what’s your point?🤷

Should we start a thread: “More hate toward Catholics”?
 
Frankly…if it was vandalism or a hate crime… I hope the perpetrators are found and given as severe a sentence as the law will permit. Not too long ago there were a number of Protestant Churches burnt down…several in a row. In that case it turned out that the “perps” were four teenagers…all Protestants themselves…

Some in their area…“blamed it on the internet”…:rolleyes: :eek: :rolleyes:

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1114493/posts
 
bpbasilphx said:
If I kill another white man, is it less of a murder if he was heterosexual than if he was homosexual?

**Actually, this happened in Texas a few years ago.

Three men were found guilty of the second-degree homicide of a man who was a homosexual. The judge gave the defendants the lightest sentence possible “considering who the victim was” as he said in his sentence.**
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Well, that is an argument for hate crime laws.

It just seems that if I commit a crime against someone like me, it is still a crime. If we are all the same, a crime against a minority should carry the same penulty as one against a member of the majority
 
why_me said:
More hate targeted at Mormons:

There is too much hate on the Internet about mormonism and mormons. What happened doesn’t surprise me at all.
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In the first place, the authorities say it probably was NOT a hate crime; and in the second place, this incessant whining has gotten pretty old. You’ll post something like that every chance you get, yet jump to defense of Mormon missionaries who deliberately desecrate a Catholic Church, invent a ridiculous hypothetical case of drunken Catholics urinating on Mormon temples, and then try to stereotype Irish as drunkards. In the latter instance you disparaged my parents and that sort of accusation does not reflect well on you or your church. The arrogance and hypocrisy are patently transparent.

By the way, if you want to know about institutionalized religious persecution and hate, you should hear some of my mother’s horror stories about growing-up Catholic in Northern Ireland. THAT’S persecution and hate; every single family member of her generation emigrated to escape it and after innumerable generations there is nobody left.

Incidentally, people disagreeing with your doctrine; and not rushing off to the ward house to become Mormons as soon as they hear about Joseph Smith, does not constitute persecution or hate.
 
Yeah, my dad’s from Sligo; I’ve spent a lot of time there and have both passports. Sure spent my share of summers helping with turf and sheep, kinda like having a different life in a different world for three months a year. In any case, I’ve always found my cousins and friends there to be better focused and more level headed than my contemporaries here. If anything, they drink less and many of us don’t drink at all. I understand my grandparents’ generation was pretty wild when they were younger (they even made the stuff themselves), but I think that was more a function of the then prevailing socio-economic conditions.

It’s kind of interesting that my parents grew-up at the same time, only a relatively short distance apart, but like in two different worlds. Dad’s world may not have been affluent, but it was a great place; Mom’s world was anything but that, you sure can’t blame them for getting out of Dodge. It’s annoying when Why Me and his ilk try to equate disagreement with Mormonsim to hate and persecution, they have absolutely no idea what the latter’s really all about and their whining only trivializes the genuine suffering of others.

Slán,
Mata
 
Too bad they deleted that thread with Z’s comment, it was stellar example of Mormon hypocrisy. A Mormon will make a crude, blatantly libelous, infantile, and “low-life” statement like that, yet scream “anti-Mormon,” “hate” and “persecution” whenever anybody disagrees with Mormon doctrine. Unreal!
 
twosweetgirls said:
Don’t see where you’re getting that this is a hate crime, if the investigators themselves don’t think so?
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I don’t think that the investigators would have said such a thing if such a happening happened at a mosque or a synagogue. By saying what they said, they also showed a bias against mormons or lessened the event to a ‘prank’.
 
You are right. But words can produce hate in people. We have seen this happen in Nazi Germany, the Balkans, in Ruanda etc. And on the internet people very often lose themselves when they post critical comments. Because they cannot be seen, they become careless and don’t realize that they themselves are producing hate which is read by impressionable people who can act on the words that they have read.
 
Since the advent of Mitt Romney and his run for the presidency, there has been much hate on the internet and in the media toward the lds church. I am thinking about Larry McDonnel and his remarks on the Mclaughlin group. Terrible.

It has nothing to do with a persecuted group etc. But it does have much to do with intolerance. Mormons are people just like Muslims, Jews, etc, and people need to be respectful of their faith, even in disagreement. In other words, not to get carried away with remarks that can be seen as hateful or encourage hate.
 
why_me said:
But it does have much to do with intolerance. Mormons are people just like Muslims, Jews, etc, and people need to be respectful of their faith, even in disagreement. In other words, not to get carried away with remarks that can be seen as hateful or encourage hate.
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No. People need to be respectful of the Mormons (or Christians, or Jews, etc) right to practice their faith. To ask people to respect the faith itself is too much. You cannot live in a free society where you are required to show respect to something that you do not respect. Witness the awful anti-Catholic “art” that has generated much press. I think it’s terrible, but I cannot deny the people who make it or consume it the right to do so. It doesn’t mean I need to respect it as a legitimate art form or social commentary or what have you.
 
why_me said:
I don’t think that the investigators would have said such a thing if such a happening happened at a mosque or a synagogue. By saying what they said, they also showed a bias against mormons or lessened the event to a ‘prank’.
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The police who investigated the incident do not believe it was a hate crime, yet you insist that it was a hate crime. Unless you have some direct, or even circumstantial, evidence to support your contrary position and your charge that the authorities are biased against Mormons, your comment is malicious and without any merit whatsoever.
 
The overwhelming majority of Americans have no real idea what Mormons are or what they teach; most think they’re just a small Protestant sect. They are a majority in Utah and have a large footprint in a few pockets in the West; but, other than that, they are very dilute in the overall population. That’s why “milk-before-meat” has been an effective tool in the past; though the advent of the internet has countered that to a certain extent of late. I’ve been around them most of my life and took an interest in learning about the faith as a result of having been a target for conversion and listening to the “mother of all whores” stuff for years. Most Americans have not had those experiences and I don’t think religion had anything to do with Mitt Romney not becoming the candidate. He had no problem being elected governor of Massachusetts, a majority Catholic state (of Kennedy fame); nor did his equally Mormon father, George Romney, have any issues being elected governor of Michigan, another majority Catholic state.
 
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