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How would you have ended the war in the Pacific if presented with the choices Truman had? Be specific so we can understand.
I would prefer to address this question in another thread, since I suspect that the answer will be lengthy and involve controversy and the topic here is the ISIS atrocities. Briefly, the argument would be that the a-bomb was not necessary and Japan was ready to surrender anyway, and further, for those who thought differently, it could have been tried to drop the a-bomb offshore as a demonstration before hitting the cities.
 
I would prefer to address this question in another thread, since I suspect that the answer will be lengthy and involve controversy and the topic here is the ISIS atrocities. Briefly, the argument would be that the a-bomb was not necessary and Japan was ready to surrender anyway, and further, for those who thought differently, it could have been tried to drop the a-bomb offshore as a demonstration before hitting the cities.
It took two, remember. No surrender after the first one, even though it did hit a city.

But whatever.
 
We need another thread to examine this question in detail.
Fine. Possibly then some will not feel compelled to depart from the topics at hand just to condemn the United States. It does get old.
 
Fine. Possibly then some will not feel compelled to depart from the topics at hand just to condemn the United States. It does get old.
The problem is that the first part of the ISIS atrocity video does just that. It opens with scenes of ISIS partisans pulling the remains of dead civilians from rubble, while a narrator curses the US for its bombing and killing these civilians. The narrator also curses the spies who have helped the US in their mission.
 
Is there some story out there, perhaps anecdotal that the Japanese had a US prisoner, airman I believe and they asked him how many atomic bombs the US had after at least the first bombing, the prisoner apparently did not know but said 100. At that, the Japanese surrendered. Maybe someone has heard this story.
 
The problem is that the first part of the ISIS atrocity video does just that. It opens with scenes of ISIS partisans pulling the remains of dead civilians from rubble, while a narrator curses the US for its bombing and killing these civilians. The narrator also curses the spies who have helped the US in their mission.
And some in the west share ISIS anti-American thought processes.

Does anyone actually think ISIS needed the U.S. or anything about the U.S. to be ISIS? I’m sure ISIS itself doesn’t think so. They just know how to manipulate people in the west; to counsel despair. “Oh, we can’t oppose ISIS. Doing so just makes it stronger.” ISIS leaders are a lot of things, but they’re not stupid. They know the western left better than the left knows itself, and they know how to speak its language.
 
And some in the west share ISIS anti-American thought processes.

Does anyone actually think ISIS needed the U.S. or anything about the U.S. to be ISIS? I’m sure ISIS itself doesn’t think so. They just know how to manipulate people in the west; to counsel despair. “Oh, we can’t oppose ISIS. Doing so just makes it stronger.” ISIS leaders are a lot of things, but they’re not stupid. They know the western left better than the left knows itself, and they know how to speak its language.
It looks to me like the mideast is in worse shape now after the US invasion. ISIS is getting recruits not just from the disaffected Sunnis in the area, but from all around the world, including Britain. Why would people from Britain want to join ISIS? I believe that Sarah Palin was right when she recommended that the US stay out of the mideast conflicts and let Allah decide.
 
It looks to me like the mideast is in worse shape now after the US invasion. ISIS is getting recruits not just from the disaffected Sunnis in the area, but from all around the world, including Britain. Why would people from Britain want to join ISIS? I believe that Sarah Palin was right when she recommended that the US stay out of the mideast conflicts and let Allah decide.
You left out a necessary step; the retreat of the west from the Middle East. Saddam Hussein was at least as bad a man as Ayatollah Khameni or Al Baghdadi, and more dangerous than either of them in his time. Iraq was at peace when Obama decided to leave the Middle East to be a battleground between Sunni radicals and Iranian radicals. Sunni tribal leaders, the Kurds and the Sistani Shiites (the majority of the latter) begged us to stay because they knew what the CIA, the DIA and the American military knew; that without the western armies being there for an extended time, there could be no peace.

Acknolwedging that probably the majority of Muslims really want to be peaceful people, they have a dilemma they cannot solve themselves. Jihad against “infidels” and “heretics” and bringing the former under dominion and killing the latter is commanded by the Koran. However, there is an escape hatch. They are excused from it so long as the Islamic world is too weak to pull it off. Being excused when they are, they can go about their lives in peace. Sarah Palin has it wrong. Allah has already decided, so to speak, and Allah commands war, except, again, when Islam hasn’t the strength to do it successfully.

Obama’s de facto message, then, was “You now have the strength to attack heretics now and infidels later, because the “strong horse” is gone. So there is no excuse for you.” I doubt he knew that, though. He simply believed keeping an ill-considered campaign promise was more important to him and his cause than peace and the lives of people in the Middle East. He knew it would come to this.
 
He simply believed keeping an ill-considered campaign promise was more important to him and his cause than peace and the lives of people in the Middle East. He knew it would come to this.
But the “ill-considered” promise was one that the vast majority of the American people wanted. Thus, it cannot be ill-considered. And the American people know, despite the urging of powerful, supra-national elites, that America cannot be the world’s babysitter that goes around spanking naughty children at every opportunity. Sooner or later the people of the Middle East have to get their act together on their own. If they descend into savagery, at least for a while, that is God’s will.
 
But the “ill-considered” promise was one that the vast majority of the American people wanted. Thus, it cannot be ill-considered. And the American people know, despite the urging of powerful, supra-national elites, that America cannot be the world’s babysitter that goes around spanking naughty children at every opportunity. Sooner or later the people of the Middle East have to get their act together on their own. If they descend into savagery, at least for a while, that is God’s will.
ISIS represents God’s will? One would not have thought God would be as savage as that.

The American people were fed constant anti-war propaganda from the media. It is the function of a leader to lead, not to follow, opinions made by the opinion-makers. And among the opinion-makers, Obama and his party were pre-eminent. He and they did that, knowing as they did that Iraq would turn into what it has become. And he abandoned it at the point it was won and the American people, despite the campaign against it, had come to a realization that it was. pewresearch.org/2008/03/19/public-attitudes-toward-the-war-in-iraq-20032008/

One notices that Obama and his followers did not similarly condemn the utterly unwinnable Af/Pak war. Rather, because it gave him the opportunity to condemn “Bush’s war” (Iraq) while simultaneously remaining in a war he thought more popular, he stayed with it…until now. But he’ll abandon that to a fight between ISIS and the Taliban soon.
 
Saddam Hussein was at least as bad a man as Ayatollah Khameni or Al Baghdadi, and more dangerous than either of them in his time…
Then why did Reagan send Donald Rumsfeld to Baghdad, to meet his good friend Saddam Hussein at the airport. “I’m really glad to be here in Baghdad with my good friend, Saddam Hussein.” Didn’t Rumsfeld carry messages back and forth for the Reagan administration of active military and economic support for Saddam Hussein?
AS far as Ayatollah Khameni is concerned, why did the US and UK conspire to overthrow Mossadegh?
 
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