More islamic insanity

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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… But Muhammad was not good by any standard of the word.

God gave the certificate in His final book --Muslims don’t need approval from non-Muslims

Now when you assume the Old Testament and New was corrupted, please tell me when, whom and HOW did this happen?

Holy Quran does not mention any specific date .

You know that avery man and woman is a sinner

Muslims don’t believe that David (pbuh) had a relationship with a married woman & made her pregnant or Prophet Lot (pbuh) slept with daughters or Prophet Solomon (pbuh) was an idol worshipper etc.

Prophets made some mistakes but they repented immediately & God forgave them . After sincere repentance , we can’t call them as sinners.

Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) used to offer salat/ prayer a lot . Once Mother Aisha (ra) asked him , God promised you to bless with paradise. So , why you need to offer so much prayers ? His ans was like that , must not I be a grateful servant of God ?

Muslims believe , not only Muhammed (pbuh) but other Prophets were also like that — humble , grateful servants of God .

 

[kalt]

I acknowledge your point. However, my point is valid, i.e., the fact that some behavior prophets in the Bible is criticized is evidence that the author is attempting to tell the truth. It is not decisive on this point, as I tried to show by claiming it merely “indicates” vice proves the accuracy of the Bible. It is, however, consistent with the theory that the author was attempting to tell the truth.

Regards,

Or with attempting to tell a truth.

 

[GraceDK]

Muslim Woman
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
God gave the certificate in His final book --Muslims don’t need approval from non-Muslims

No. Of course you dont. But you are compelled by your God-given conscience to dismiss evil. You cannot in your God-given concience call your prophet’s behaviour just.
The daughter of an imam went to my school. In religious class the teacher showed the class a picture of Muhammad with a little girl named Aisha, and they were told how he ravished her at age nine. The daughter of the imam said: “YOU BAD TEACHER, HOW DARE YOU SLANDER OUR PROPHET. MUHAMMAD DID NO SUCH FOUL THING?!” The teacher said: “Go home and ask your father”. So she did… and he told her that its true. Muhammad really did this abomination. This young muslim girl was not yet corrupted by the brainwashing. She knew that what Muhammad did was gross. Instinctively and by conscience. Today she has probably learned to defend polygami and phedofilia like you have…

**Holy Quran does not mention any specific date **.

No of course… But then… its okay, just give me an approximate time and who and how did it happen: how was all these writings corrupted??? And no, you are not excempt from using your own reasoning and mind the day you become Muslim. So give me an explanation.

Funny how Muslims cannot come up with any one fragment or book that was written before the time of Muhammad, to back your claims about the Bible being corrupted. Come one… point me to some sources. We have Christian and Judaic writings a heck of a long way back. Your claim lacks all historical and scientific method… Are you not bothered by that? All you do is repeat something that is incorrect, because someone told you to loose your intellectual and moral capacity and follow a war lord from the 7th century…

**Muslims don’t believe that David (pbuh) had a relationship with a married woman & made her pregnant or Prophet Lot (pbuh) slept with daughters or Prophet Solomon (pbuh) was an idol worshipper etc. **

According to any preislamic source, Lot was never counted among prophets… however did you guys get so confused on the command of one single unlearned man?

** Prophets made some mistakes but they repented immediately & God forgave them . After sincere repentance , we can’t call them as sinners.**

So show me in the Koran where Muhammad repented from killing, taking concubines, sleeping with a little girl, having lots of wives (even the one of his own son) ordering people to be tortured and murdered.
Where???

Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) used to offer salat/ prayer a lot . Once Mother Aisha (ra) asked him , God promised you to bless with paradise. So , why you need to offer so much prayers ? His ans was like that , must not I be a grateful servant of God ?

You think this impresses me? I have read the foul descriptions of a islamic heaven where all the impurity and fleshly behaviour is allowed…
It’s every creatures duty to give praise and thanks to God at all times. But a false prophet has a serious problem.
Are you aware that Muhammad thought the “sun descended into a dirty pond”? It says so in the Koran… yet many Muslims say its a book of science ahead of its time… ?

Muslims believe , not only Muhammed (pbuh) but other Prophets were also like that — humble , grateful servants of God .

If you were the pregnant woman who was ordered killed by Muhammad, I doubt you would still call him a humble servant.
Read the life and words of Jesus Christ. He will teach you what REAL humility, service and love is. By the way… Love is a very common Word in the Bible… but it is not found much in the Koran.

Peace.

 

[qui_est_ce]

**quote=Muslim Woman **
**Holy Quran does not mention any specific date **.

• No of course… But then… its okay, just give me an approximate time and who and how did it happen: how was all these writings corrupted??? So give me an explanation.
• Funny how Muslims cannot come up with any one fragment or book that was written before the time of Muhammad, to back your claims about the Bible being corrupted. Come one… point me to some sources. We have Christian and Judaic writings a heck of a long way back. Your claim lacks all historical and scientific method…

**Muslims don’t believe that David (pbuh) had a relationship with a married woman & made her pregnant or Prophet Lot (pbuh) slept with daughters or Prophet Solomon (pbuh) was an idol worshipper etc. **

• According to any preislamic source, Lot was never counted among prophets… however did you guys get so confused on the command of one single unlearned man?

** Prophets made some mistakes but they repented immediately & God forgave them . After sincere repentance , we can’t call them as sinners.**

• So show me in the Koran where Muhammad repented from killing, taking concubines, sleeping with a little girl, having lots of wives (even the one of his own son) ordering people to be tortured and murdered. Where???

Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) used to offer salat/ prayer a lot . Once Mother Aisha (ra) asked him , God promised you to bless with paradise. So , why you need to offer so much prayers ? His ans was like that , must not I be a grateful servant of God ?

• You think this impresses me? I have read the foul descriptions of a islamic heaven where all the impurity and fleshly behaviour is allowed…
• Are you aware that Muhammad thought the “sun descended into a dirty pond”? It says so in the Koran… yet many Muslims say its a book of science ahead of its time… ?

Muslims believe , not only Muhammed (pbuh) but other Prophets were also like that — humble , grateful servants of God .

• If you were the pregnant woman who was ordered killed by Muhammad, I doubt you would still call him a humble servant.
• Peace.

Muslim Woman, I’m sure you sincerely believe in Islam. If you could give a direct answer to the above questions by Grace (bulletted statements) you would be doing Islam a great favor. As you can see, Islam is a huge problem for Christians because of its unsubstantiated claims to historical fact. Catholic Church can point to sources outside the Bible to support her claims. Can you?

Until you can give us universally accepted history, I will continue to believe Muslim is a made up religion started by a perverted maniac warlord. You believe what you believe because somebody told you the Koran is the final truth. You don’t look at anything outside of Koran to support why you should believe in Koran and Mohammed ALONE.

Sorry, but if you look at it from outside eyes, that’s what Islam looks like to us.

 

[seraphime2008]

explained already . As a Muslim , I learnt to respect all the Prophets since my childhood. So , reading Bible was a horrific expereince …so many dirty allegations against the respected Prophets…hard to accept .

Well, as a matter of fact, I found reading Koran was a monstrously boring thing since it is full with Allah (or Muhammad’s personification?) cursing people with all the promised of wrath of not doing what he instructed…

 

[Agabriel]

Muslim Woman, I’m sure you sincerely believe in Islam. If you could give a direct answer to the above questions by Grace (bulletted statements) you would be doing Islam a great favor. As you can see, Islam is a huge problem for Christians because of its unsubstantiated claims to historical fact. Catholic Church can point to sources outside the Bible to support her claims. Can you?

Until you can give us universally accepted history, I will continue to believe Muslim is a made up religion started by a perverted maniac warlord. You believe what you believe because somebody told you the Koran is the final truth. You don’t look at anything outside of Koran to support why you should believe in Koran and Mohammed ALONE.

Sorry, but if you look at it from outside eyes, that’s what Islam looks like to us.

Nicely put.

But, these questions have been asked of her before and others.

… the crickets were alive and well (meaning no answer, and a long wait before someone asked again)

 

[Benjamin8o8]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

funny ; Quran is available online . U don’t need to marry a Muslim Woman to check if I am writing true or false from Quran.

Tooo bad that a sister from my country is living in a major sin .

You must remember it`s only a sin in Mohammeds opinion, not Gods. There is a big difference.

 

[Holly3278]

Disgusting! If Islam truly allows men to abuse their wife (or wives in this case) then that is just a truly disgusting religion! I know a few Muslims and they are all respectable people. However, I cannot approve of a religion that approves of abuse!

 

[seraphime2008]

And…
BTW if not mistaken, because I just browsed it from the Koran without really see it, a Muslim woman if have been divorced with her husband, must marry another guy first before remarrying the previous husband if they finally can find reconciliation…!

This is Allah’s instruction!
:bigyikes:

 

[Benjamin8o8]

And…
BTW if not mistaken, because I just browsed it from the Koran without really see it, a Muslim woman if have been divorced with her husband, must marry another guy first before remarrying the previous husband if they finally can find reconciliation…!

This is Allah’s instruction!
:bigyikes:

no…it is Mohammeds insturction. Allah and Mohammed are not on the same side, anybody can claim their with God, this is how many evil cults came to be.

 

[seraphime2008]

Well
you know what I mean Ben, Allah as the author of the Qur’an they claim

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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… teacher showed the class a picture of Muhammad with a little girl named Aisha,

I did not know that in the school , teachers are showing this kind of picture & trying to spread hatred against the last Prophet .

Teacher showed any picture of David (pbuh) & told the students when God’s son David (pbuh) was in his death bed ,then he married a young virgin ?

Teacher showed photo of Prophet Lot (pbuh) & told the students that he slept with own daugthers ? S/he told students how Jesus (pbuh) inspired Moses (pbuh) to kill all men & kept young virgins for the soldiers ? S/he showed the photoes of those virgins ?

Normally Muslims don’t draw picture of any Prophet or wives of the Prophet . So , how did the taecher get the photoes ?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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If you were the pregnant woman who was ordered killed by Muhammad,.

you are referring to whom ?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

… who and how did it happen: how was all these writings corrupted??? .

Salma - India

Q. The view of Bart Ehrman regarding the changes in Bible has been appreciated by many, but he supports Christianity and also says that the Council of Nicaea was drastically different from what Muslims suppose it to be? Your Justification.

Idris Tawfiq ( ex-Catholic Priest , new Muslim )

:…Biblical scholars such as Professor Ehrman argue that we have thousands of manuscripts of the Gospels and two hundred to four hundred thousand variants or corruptions in the text, but this does not necessarily make the Gospels untrue. Let us discuss what this means.

Useful Links:The History of the Bible and the Quran

How Were the Quran and the Bible Compiled?

Did Prophet Muhammad Copy the Bible?

Could the Quran Be a Copy of the Bible?

Is the Bible the Word of God?

The Revelation of the Bible

The Authenticity of the Quran and the Bible

What Islam Says About the Bible

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1237705907537&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam%2FAskAboutIslamE%

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The Lost Books of the Bible **

answering-christianity.com/lost_books.htm

 

[Agabriel]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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I did not know that in the school , teachers are showing this kind of picture & trying to spread hatred against the last Prophet .

Teacher showed any picture of David (pbuh) & told the students when God’s son David (pbuh) was in his death bed ,then he married a young virgin ?

Teacher showed photo of Prophet Lot (pbuh) & told the students that he slept with own daugthers ? S/he told students how Jesus (pbuh) inspired Moses (pbuh) to kill all men & kept young virgins for the soldiers ? S/he showed the photoes of those virgins ?

Normally Muslims don’t draw picture of any Prophet or wives of the Prophet . So , how did the taecher get the photoes ?

Psst, read the Bible and you will find that he did not have relations with her. OH YOU SAID YOU READ THE BIBLE! (Why do I doubt that?) And another thing - Tell me IN THE BIBLE - where Lot is a Prophet.

And what you call hate, we call the truth.

I think people do indeed get stuck on the part of Muhammed’s life where he committed pediphilia with this one girl, and gloss over the fact of the torture and assasinations, and murdering of so many others. And the pediphilia of so many slave children too that will never be mentioned.

A heaven where there will be an abundance of little boys for the big, bad jihadists too. Everyone gloms onto the 72 virgins but forget about the child abuse that is allowed if one is a slave, or given to one of them in their ‘heaven’.

 

[jakasaki]

=Muslim Woman;5199939]In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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**I did not know that in the school , teachers are showing this kind of picture & trying to spread hatred against the last Prophet . **

Teacher showed any picture of David (pbuh) & told the students when God’s son David (pbuh) was in his death bed ,then he married a young virgin ?

Teacher showed photo of Prophet Lot (pbuh) & told the students that he slept with own daugthers ? S/he told students how Jesus (pbuh) inspired Moses (pbuh) to kill all men & kept young virgins for the soldiers ? S/he showed the photoes of those virgins ?

Normally Muslims don’t draw picture of any Prophet or wives of the Prophet . So , how did the taecher get the photoes ?/

What hatred is being spread of mohamad? Facts are not hate.

And this whole thing about “draw picture” - where is it stated in the **koran **that one cannot draw a picture of mohamad?

 

[guanophore]

The earliest citation comes from Sir William Hope’s The Compleat Fencing-Master, second edition, 1692, page 157: “What he doth, he doth by rule of thumb, and not by art.” The term is thought to originate with wood workers who used the length of their thumbs rather than rulers for measuring things, cementing its modern use as an imprecise yet reliable and convenient standard.

Is this good enough for you? I have included the reference.

Oh, yes! It was also used as the standard for the width of the willow branch one was permitted to use to beat one’s wife and children. A branch wider than the thumb was considered abusive. Just a little artifact from “Christian” culture.

 

[guanophore]

Have you read the Koran, Hadith, Sharia-law?

Not much. I did not find it edifying.

Where are you?

How is that relevant?

How can you compare Jesus Christ and the New Testament with the behaviour of Muhamad that is to be imitated by all Muslims as holy behaviour and involve polygami, phedofilia, stoning, cutting off hands and feet, concubinage, war and slavery.

I cannot, and did not. What I did was state that persons calling themselves Christians and using the Bible have justified equally heinous acts of violence. I did not say it was the Teaching of Jesus, or of the Church. Violence is in the nature of man, and Christianity has also been used to promote and defend it.

Words like yours make absolutely no sense to me.

Since you seem to be responding to some other words than mine, you might want to go back to whereever you seem to have read this, because I did not.

Please do study Islam some more… after you have studied the New Testament and then also the Old in light of the New.

No, I think not. I don’t have much interest in Islam. I find it deficient.

Jesus is the utmost and full image of the Will of God. There is no violence and no supression in Him.

I never claimed there was.

Muhammad is called seal of the prophets, his book is called uncreated word, its almost like a small divinity… and its full of violence and horrendous teachings and calls this the summit of revelations too…

Not to justify Mohammed, but Scripture records some pretty serious violence also.

2 Kings 10:6-8
7 And when the letter came to them, they took the king’s sons, and slew them, seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent them to him at Jezreel. 8 When the messenger came and told him, “They have brought the heads of the king’s sons,” he said, “Lay them in two heaps at the entrance of the gate until the morning.”

Gruesome!

Do not blame the Bible on the sins of the flesh of man. But the Koran sanctions dehumanisation and violence…

There are plenty of sanctions in the Bible for dehumanization and violence too. My point is that it is part of human nature to be this way.

I don’t “blame” the Bible on anyone, unless it is God, whose inspired Holy Word it is.

 

[GraceDK]

There are plenty of sanctions in the Bible for dehumanization and violence too. .

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If this is your oppinion and your conclusion after having read it to the end, that it sanctions violence and dehumanisation, then cut it off from your life and throw it away, because your conscience is superior to it.
After having read the whole Bible in context, that is, seeing Christ as the summit and fullness of revelation of the Person and Will of God, I find there is no sanction of violence in the Bible. If I felt like you do, I would leave it, because then it would not be worthy of my attention.
If you find the Koran and Bible immoral then dont just choose the less immoral one, but choose none at all. The God of Truth certainly does not want you to follow a book you believe to sanction violence.

May you have the courage to act according to what you think you know, and may you pray to have wisdom… for I believe you misunderstand God.

Peace.

 

[guanophore]

If this is your oppinion and your conclusion after having read it to the end, that it sanctions violence and dehumanisation, then cut it off from your life and throw it away, because your conscience is superior to it.

This is a ridiculous assertion, Grace. The fact that God permitted violence and dehumanization among cultures of the past has nothing to do with my conscience. I was not even born yet!

Deut 32:39-42

39 "‘See now that I, even I, am he,
and there is no god beside me;
I kill and I make alive;
I wound and I heal;
and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.
40 For I lift up my hand to heaven,
and swear, As I live for ever,
41 if I whet my glittering sword,
and my hand takes hold on judgment,
I will take vengeance on my adversaries,
and will requite those who hate me.
42 I will make my arrows drunk with blood,
and my sword shall devour flesh -
with the blood of the slain and the captives,
from the long-haired heads of the enemy.’

After having read the whole Bible in context, that is, seeing Christ as the summit and fullness of revelation of the Person and Will of God, I find there is no sanction of violence in the Bible. If I felt like you do, I would leave it, because then it would not be worthy of my attention.

Then you are allowing your knowledge of Christ to warp your perception of history. Christ’s non-violent approach to relationships is alone in history as a model. Prior to that, the “eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth” was the common attitude.

God did sanction violence before the time of Christ. And, when you consider that Islam is derived from this primitive form of spirituality, it is not surprising that it, devoid of the message and person of Christ, continues to promote violence according to it’s spiritual roots in the culture of Abraham and the Jihads.

If you find the Koran and Bible immoral then dont just choose the less immoral one, but choose none at all.

I am not sure why you are making assumptions like this about me, or why you find it necessary how to conduct my spiritual life. I can only imagine that something I said touched a nerve.

The fact that immoral behavior is recorded in scripture does not make the book immoral.

The God of Truth certainly does not want you to follow a book you believe to sanction violence.

The God of Truth certainly does not want me to follow a book at all! Christianity is not a “religion of the book” as the Muslims erroneously proclaim. Christianity is based upon the person of Christ, and He did not write a book. The New Testament reflects what the Church believes that was founded by Him.

May you have the courage to act according to what you think you know, and may you pray to have wisdom… for I believe you misunderstand God.

Well, I believe you misunderstand me, so where does that leave us?