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… he did not have relations with her.
But he married a young virgin …why ? This marriage proves there is no ban on young marriage , there is no maximum age gap between spouses regarding Bible. If there is any , then why God did not scold David (pbuh) for that marriage ?

Also , when mom of Christians’ Lord got engaged , she was hardly 14…toooo young by today’s standard. Teacher scolded earthy dad of Jesus (pbuh) for having a young wife ?
And what you call hate, we call the truth.
Sure , attacking Muslims respected Prophet is justified to you. Christians believe Muhammed (pbuh) introduced polygamy , young marriage , war, killing , slavery etc etc when their own holy book allowed all these.

Attacking a girl’s belief in school who is minority in Europe , the teacher surely felt happy. But later if s/he will wonder , hey , why Muslims hate us ?
 
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If there is no restriction on making image of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) or other Prophets , then why I need to go museum to see their pictures ? It should be available everywhere .

May be , some Shia artists make pictures of the Prophets , but it’s not common among Muslims.
Islam forbids slandering Jesus yet Muslims constantly break that rule here once sufficiently annoyed.
Muslims must not degrade any Prophet . When some Christians provoke us a lot , then some may get tempted but surely we must not fall in to Satan’s trap & must not use any dirty words against Prophets or anyone.
married of to far older men at ages of 10 and 11 years old.
Young marriage was very , very common in the Past , not only in Saudi Arabia , in many countries. In India sub-continent , Hindus beleived that girl’s family members will go to hell if she reaches at puberty at dad’s res. I read in an article that in USA , girl could be married at 10 . Later , men made laws banned it.

If that class was about young bride in various religions , teacher should have mentioned all these . I guess , s/he did not .
 
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But he married a young virgin …why ? This marriage proves there is no ban on young marriage , there is no maximum age gap between spouses regarding Bible. If there is any , then why God did not scold David (pbuh) for that marriage ?

Also , when mom of Christians’ Lord got engaged , she was hardly 14…toooo young by today’s standard. Teacher scolded earthy dad of Jesus (pbuh) for having a young wife ?

Sure , attacking Muslims respected Prophet is justified to you. Christians believe Muhammed (pbuh) introduced polygamy , young marriage , war, killing , slavery etc etc when their own holy book allowed all these.

Attacking a girl’s belief in school who is minority in Europe , the teacher surely felt happy. But later if s/he will wonder , hey , why Muslims hate us ?
He didn’t marry her. Go read it for yourself. You keep telling us that you have read it. :confused:

I will tell you what… why don’t you post the line that is telling you that he married, or had sex, with this girl?

Usually by the age of 14 girls have started their periods. And this was acceptable. It was acceptable in our culture until the last century. We realized that boys and girls are not mature enough to take on the responsibilities of marriage and especially the responsibilities of raising children themselves.

Our concerns are that the prophet basically rubbed his sexual organ on Aisha before her period, between the time he married her and before he penetrated her, and then penetrated her well before her period too. Girls who lived in desert lands, with food and water not being in ample supply are not known to start their periods that early. It is something that happens in societies that have an over abundance, like the USA now.

After Muhammed started Islam is when all of his atrocities happened.

Our concerns with your prophet were well documented on the thread that was labeled something similar to ‘Are Muslims ok with Muhammed’s behavior?’. (I don’t remember the exact title.)

Muhammed did many despicable things and you have stated you are ok with it. And he did it to excess. And history is not about fabricating the facts - it is about telling the truth, as well as we can by the records and findings that we have. Sometimes we find that our records are wrong and need to be changed. So be it. They don’t have to know all the gorey details, but they need to know he had people assasinated, or tortured to get their loot, aimed for caravans for their loot and women and children so they could be enslaved, etc.

The Muslim version of Muhammed is not true. And why is that? I don’t know - denial, acceptance of his behavior no matter what he did, ignorance, definitions for his deeds are twisted to be holy instead of evil,… I don’t know exactly. All of the above, or one or two of those reasons… I don’t know.
 
:whistle:Still waiting :whistle:
Muslim Woman, I’m sure you sincerely believe in Islam. If you could give a direct answer to the above questions by Grace (bulletted statements) you would be doing Islam a great favor. As you can see, Islam is a huge problem for Christians because of its unsubstantiated claims to historical fact. Catholic Church can point to sources outside the Bible to support her claims. Can you?

Until you can give us universally accepted history, I will continue to believe Muslim is a made up religion started by a perverted maniac warlord. You believe what you believe because somebody told you the Koran is the final truth. You don’t look at anything outside of Koran to support why you should believe in Koran and Mohammed ALONE.
Funny how Muslims cannot come up with any one fragment or book that was written before the time of Muhammad, to back your claims about the Bible being corrupted. Come one… point me to some sources. We have Christian and Judaic writings a heck of a long way back. Your claim lacks all historical and scientific method… Are you not bothered by that? All you do is repeat something that is incorrect, because someone told you to loose your intellectual and moral capacity and follow a war lord from the 7th century…
According to any preislamic source, Lot was never counted among prophets…
"Muslim Woman:
** Prophets made some mistakes but they repented immediately & God forgave them . After sincere repentance , we can’t call them as sinners.**
Sins are “mistakes?” Are they able to sin again after repentence?
So show me in the Koran where Muhammad repented from killing, taking concubines, sleeping with a little girl, having lots of wives (even the one of his own son) ordering people to be tortured and murdered.
Where???
I have read the foul descriptions of a islamic heaven where all the impurity and fleshly behaviour is allowed…
Tell me Isamic description of Heaven.
Read the life and words of Jesus Christ. He will teach you what REAL humility, service and love is. By the way… Love is a very common Word in the Bible… but it is not found much in the Koran.

Peace.
Amen:thumbsup:👍
 
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
God gave the certificate in His final book --Muslims don’t need approval from non-Muslims
Which version of “his final book” are you refering to?
Muslims don’t need approval from non-Muslims
No you don’t but non-muslims need answers from muslims. God has given us brains so we may question and reason what’s right and what’s wrong.
 
This is not Islamic, it is human. Christianity has not been without such a history (and worse). To blame the justification of domestic violence on Islam, in my opinion, is disingenuous. I grew up in a “good Catholic family” with alcoholism and domestic violence. When my mother sought counsel from the parish priest, she was told to go home and submit to her husband. She did so, and endured years of being black and blue.

The Bible has been used to justify domestic violence and the abuse of men, women, children, animals, and the environment since it was written.

I agree, it is insane, but it is not an insanity belonging to Islam necessarily.
These are the words of wisdom. Thank you. How foolish sometimes we Christians look in the eyes of Muslims criticizing their religion and not seeing our problems.
 
** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

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…How did God accomplish this? Did he tell Mohammed that Bible got corrupted?
yes.

Allah says, “They (i.e. Jews and Christians) changed words from their contexts and forgot a good part of the message given to them, and you will continue to find them -except a few among them- bent on new deceits…” (al-Ma’idah: 13)

And He further says, “O People of the Book, now has come to you Our Messenger, clarifying to you much of that you used to conceal of the Book and passing over much (that is now unnecessary).” (al-Ma’idah 5:15)

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545430
Please tell me when the Bible got corrupted.
posted some links earlier . Let me browse again.

ok , found some 🙂

Could the Qur’an Be a Copy of the Bible?!

Has the Bible Been Tampered With?
By which basis do you choose which records are true and which are false?
Quran is the criteria to decide what is wrong , what is right .
Tell me Isamic description of Heaven.
InshaAllah ( God Willing ) will post in Ask about Islam thread , keep an eye on that thread if u want 🙂
 
But he married a young virgin …why ?
So he could stay warm at night. 😃
This marriage proves there is no ban on young marriage , there is no maximum age gap between spouses regarding Bible. If there is any , then why God did not scold David (pbuh) for that marriage ?
Are you defending the practice of adults having sex with children?

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Also , when mom of Christians’ Lord got engaged , she was hardly 14…toooo young by today’s standard. Teacher scolded earthy dad of Jesus (pbuh) for having a young wife ?**

She had no intention of having sexual relations, and Joseph knew that, just as David had no sexual relations with the young woman who kept him warm at night.
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Muslim_Woman:
Sure , attacking Muslims respected Prophet is justified to you. Christians believe Muhammed (pbuh) introduced polygamy , young marriage , war, killing , slavery etc etc when their own holy book allowed all these.
No, I do not attack Muhammed. I have never heard anything of good repute about the man, but it is against my religion to attack others, even those who live a disreputable life.

The heinous crimes documented in the Septuagint are there for our instruction. Sins are recorded there not as an example of how we should live, but the opposite.
Attacking a girl’s belief in school who is minority in Europe , the teacher surely felt happy. But later if s/he will wonder , hey , why Muslims hate us ?
I agree, it is not good for children to be attacked in prejudice for any reason, race, religion, creed. This is not the way of Allah.
 
These are the words of wisdom. Thank you. How foolish sometimes we Christians look in the eyes of Muslims criticizing their religion and not seeing our problems.
Yes, but things have changed drastically. In the past 3-4 decades there has been an awareness that abuse is NOT acceptable. We, as a society, have grown. And the priests do NOT teach that in my Church. In fact, a while back they said that there is just as much responsiblity on the guys too. Their responsibility is NOT to beat, or abuse in any way, their wives and/or kids. I don’t remember the whole sermon.

But there are quite a number of differences between the basic teachings of Jesus vs Muhammed concerning abuse.

We also stopped slavery while it is still allowed in Islam.

Muhammed abused Aisha, and many slaves. We know that he hit Aisha at least once. He ok’d stonings for adultry which is ironic since he lusted, and took, his stepson’s wife. What he did was discontinue adoption so as no one would have this problem anymore. He said it was ok to hit kids.

Matt 5:31-32 Jesus preached against divorce.
koran 2:230 mohammed preached divorce and allowed temporary marriage with compensation.
Bukhari vol7 p8

Jesus never owned slaves.
mohammed received a 5th of the prisoners taken in battle, including women and children, surah 8:41, Sura 33:50

Jesus never married
mohammed had many wives and slave girls. Bukhari, vol1 bk5 no268
“Ibn Khatal … had two slave girls who used to sing for him and for his companions songs full of abuse of the Prophet. The Prophet’s instructions specified that the two slave girls should also be killed. … Another (to be killed) was al-Huwayrith Nuqaydh Wahb Qusayy, one of those who used to insult him in Mecca.” (Sirat Rasul Allah)

A similar story as that of al-Nadir can be told about Uqba bin Abu Muayt. He too harassed and mocked Muhammad in Mecca and wrote derogatory verses about him. He too was captured during the Battle of Badr, and Muhammad ordered him to be executed.
“But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?” Uqba cried with anguish.

“Hell,” retorted the prophet coldly.

Then the sword of one of his followers cut through Uqba’s neck.
Sources: Bukhari, Spoils of War (online source); Muslim nos. 4421, 4422, and 4424; Ibn Ishaq, p. 308 / 458.

And also in Islam, there are these things called Sharia laws. And nothing protects the women and girls from ‘honor killings’ in them. They (Muslims on these threads) say that ‘honor killings’ are not Islamic, but all the Muslim countries practice them and Sharia laws don’t protect the women from it. All a man has to say is that the woman has dishonored him, or the the family, or that she spoke against the Prophet, or something to that effect.

The end product is not always death in ‘honor killings’, it is also torture, beatings, etc.

I find it ironic that Muslim women here in the West don’t speak out against this sort of thing while they are free. They don’t help their Muslims ‘sisters’ at all by just accepting this, or denying it. Because most of the time I hear and read, they deny it all.

Some of the differences between this and the domestic violence that we are used to (geez, we should never get used to it!), is the ferocity of the violence, and too often more than one family member partakes in this with the mother, and brothers, being complicent in the crime. And the perps never say they are remorseful, instead they portray themselves as the victims (you know, she dishonored him and/or the family).

I would say that it is foolish to discount the differences and to just be so accepting of their explaining it off as if there is nothing to it all in Islam. They think that emulating their Prophet is the way to live and that is what he did.
 
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So he could stay warm at night. 😃
If I am not wrong David (pbuh) had 100 wives already at that time. So , why he needed a young virgin ? Also , do u agree that he married her ?
Are you defending the practice of adults having sex with children?

If u mean sex outside marriage or forced marriage , then OF COURSE NOT.
She had no intention of having sexual relations, and Joseph knew that,

Is that mentioned in the Bible ? Why she was engaged to him ?
 
If I am not wrong David had 100 wives already at that time. So , why he needed a young virgin ? Also , do u agree that he married her ?

Is that mentioned in the Bible ? Why she was engaged to him ?
I know you won’t read and/or retain what I write. Why do I write this? Because you bring up the same things all the time, so many people write the same thing in different ways, and you will bring it up again.

You use a tu quoque excuse to try to deflect blame off of your Prophet’s atrocities. But, we have read this many times on these threads.

But, I will respond again. Unlike the Muslims who outright ignore the questions we have for them, for the most part the Catholics and other non-Catholics do respond to you. We respond though, not always for your benefit, but for the benefit of someone else who might not know.

David was not a prophet, he was one of the Kings of Israel. Jesus came and did not want us to practice polygamy, unlike Muhammed who practiced it, but encouraged it to his followers.

It also says in the OT this:

When God created marriage, He stated the man shall cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh (Gen 2:24). Note that He
does not say the three or more shall become one flesh. God’s purpose for marriage has always been a covenant relationship between one man and one woman.

And we are all sinners and are not perfect. But, one has to go back to the basic teachings to see who is trying to lead us correctly, and it isn’t Islam and its Quran and hadiths.

Mark 10:2-12

The Pharisees approached and asked, “Is it lawful for a husband to divorce his wife?” They were testing him.

He said to them in reply, “What did Moses command you?”

They replied, “Moses permitted him to write a bill of divorce and dismiss her.”

But Jesus told them, "Because of the hardness of your hearts he wrote you this commandment.

But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.

For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother (and be joined to his wife),
and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh.

Therefore what God has joined together, no human being must separate."

In the house the disciples again questioned him about this.

He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her;

and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery."

There are also similar sayings from another apostle which backs up Mark’s writings: Matthew 5:32, 10:2-12

Nowhere does it say that there are more than one wife, or husband, allowed.
 
If I am not wrong David (pbuh) had 100 wives already at that time. So , why he needed a young virgin ? Also , do u agree that he married her ?
I never read that he had 100 wives, and if you perhaps referred to Solomon, yes the bible recorded that he even had 700 wives and 300 concubines. But you’re wrong if thinking that the bible recorded them as prophets as your Koran did, and whatever they did were approved by God. They were kings of Israel. The recording that they marry many wives , even from the non-Israelites were to give the message that that kind of marriage were only to bring them into so many fractions, led them to astray from God, and finally brought the Kingdom into the colonization by others.

Far are we Christian to understand that whatever recorded in the OT is some kind of prescription that we must follow. It was narrated in a story that we have to learn what’s the message. And the bible NT is the book that we have to understand first to be able to learn from the OT. The OT should be seen from the light of the NT.
 
Quran does not have any version . Millions have Quran in memory . If anyone tries to edit / add / delete any single word from Quran , Qurane Hafizzs ( those who memorised the whole Quran ) will catch the culprit immediately.
Well …
the problem is that the many Muslims who don’t know the real understanding of Arab will swallow any versions of translation. There’s a direct translation with all the explicit nasty words, there’s a version of softer words that make Koran not too violent for timid reader. Many of Muslim of non Arab rely on the teaching that was understood by the clerics with questionable capacity.
 
MW, can you please shrink the image your signature to a more respectful size? It is stretching out my screen, and it is very disruptive to being able to read through the threads that you post in, since it is huge and splattered with red, while everything around it is white and grey.
 
OMG
I thought MW has entered an angry mode
Putting all those red as if symbolizing blood slitted from …?

Run…run for your life!
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I never read that he had 100 wives, and if you perhaps referred to Solomon, yes the bible recorded that he even had 700 wives and 300 concubines. But you’re wrong if thinking that the bible recorded them as prophets as your Koran did, and whatever they did were approved by God. They were kings of Israel. The recording that they marry many wives , even from the non-Israelites were to give the message that that kind of marriage were only to bring them into so many fractions, led them to astray from God, and finally brought the Kingdom into the colonization by others.

Far are we Christian to understand that whatever recorded in the OT is some kind of prescription that we must follow. It was narrated in a story that we have to learn what’s the message. And the bible NT is the book that we have to understand first to be able to learn from the OT. The OT should be seen from the light of the NT.
Well said.
 
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… led them to astray from God,
That’s what I mentioned earlier …Muslims resepct all of them as Prophets (pbut) . So, it’s very shocking for us to read the Bible .

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The OT should be seen from the light of the NT.
If we do that , almost every OT figures is a sinner :eek: . Poor Jesus (pbuh) , no choice but to fry all of OT figures in fire with all those bad Mozlems :rolleyes:
 
[That’s what I mentioned earlier …Muslims resepct all of them as Prophets (pbut) . So, it’s very shocking for us to read the Bible .

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If we do that , almost every OT figures is a sinner :eek: . Poor Jesus (pbuh) , no choice but to fry all of OT figures in fire with all those bad Mozlems :rolleyes:
REALITY CHECK: All of the OT figures ARE sinners. We are all sinners!!! You seem to have missed the concept of repentence and God’s Mercy. There is no reason to believe that any of the OT figures did not repent and instead chose hell. And Christians don’t believe all Muslims are going to hell. Judgment is only for God.
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