'More lace, more grace'

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Why would a priest wear lace? I just don’t see the point.
Now, a beautiful chasuble, in colour and motif in keeping with the liturgical season, can be a thing of glory.

But lace worn where it could be seen? Not at all to my taste.
 
Agree with this. 🙂

Just because men wore lace in the past doesn’t mean they should wear it now, during a time in history when only women wear lace (and many women don’t wear lace because it’s difficult to maintain and clean).

Lace no longer signifies an outfit “set aside”, because the women who do wear lace wear it with blue jeans or casual sweaters. It really doesn’t mean anything special except that the woman likes it and is willing to do the work to keep it looking nice.

Even wedding dresses often don’t have lace.

At a time when gender bending is becoming the norm, I think it’s vitally important for priests especially to make it very VERY totally completely absolutely clear that they are totally male MEN. Lace blurs that line.
 
I have no problem with lace as long as it’s not over the top. While some might think it’s too effeminate, some think cassocks are dresses, vestments are long and flowy and flowery. It’s not effeminate, it’s tradition.

Besides, Priests wear rose vestments every Lent. I’m pretty sure most priests are secure enough in their masculinity that wearing a little lace won’t hurt them. Tradition.
 
Lace is unnecessarily extravagant, expensive, and quite frankly kind of feminine. If I were a priest, bishop, cardinal, etc. it would still be totally plain.
 
There is far better out there. Gaspard offers a light but durable 100% wool gabardine cassock fully decked out for about $250 (and much less if you don’t desire 33 buttons etc.) if you buy when on sale (ie. right now); pretty well half or a third of the price of comparable ones elsewhere plus they’re made in USA to order. I do not recommend the made in India or off the rack ones you have mentioned. The materials leave something to be desired and a made to order one could be had from Gaspard for more or less the same price.
 
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Where’s the “I like the look but am too bad at spacial visualization to pick a length and don’t think my preference should matter” option ? 😉
 
Personally I don’t care for it. Lace looks effeminate and draws too much attention to the person of the priest. Also, fine lace is costly and seems unfit for a church that should care for the poor.
 
I voted no because yes it’s too feminine. You will ask me - how about embroidered vestments? I read lace differently than embroidered vestments. Embroidery is quite opaque and graphic. In it usually are represented Christian symbols so I read it as a symbol not decoration. While lace is just ethereal, feminine.
And for those of you who say in the days of old men were wearing powders I say back - I doubt King David wore any, or any of the prophets or Jesus. Yes, I have a hard time imagining Jesus wearing lace but not out of poverty if you know what I mean.
 
Well Mary, Jesus came for all time. He didn’t use computers either, but we are, aren’t we? Jesus didn’t have the technology to develop food out of things like seaweed, and to desalinate salt water into fresh, but we do. Should we insist people subsist on seaweed ‘fresh from the ocean’ and leave the salt waters salt because that was the way “in Jesus’ time?”

Jesus wore robes. You want men to wear robes? And some of those robes were fairly ornate. Jesus’ robe may (or may not) have had embroidery or other decorations (it may have had tassels, for example) but it was so finely woven that Scripture tells us that instead of being torn and sold for rags, which was the fate of clothing worn by condemned criminals, the soldiers ‘tossed dice’ for it. Not something they would have done for some old ‘plain thing’.

Actually King David did wear ointments, oils, perfumes, and fine linen clothing (if you have any idea of how difficult it is to turn flax into linen, you’ll know this wasn’t just getting some 'cheap stuff), and it also was dyed (another costly process), as well as jewelry.

And Jesus Himself had his feet anointed with costly perfumes/lotion.

A lot of our prejudices and biases come from our personal likes and dislikes. Many women dislike beards on men, but 150 years ago, American and European men were full-bearded and mustachioed as a matter of course; a clean-shaven man looked ‘childish’ to men AND to women. And we’ve gone through periods of time where men were ‘hairier’. In fact, we’re in a mini-hairy period right now; look at the men on commercials, media, etc., with that ‘5 o’clock shadow look’, not a full beard but stubble all over.

We need to stop thinking of a ‘look’ or a ‘style’ as a product of our current views only and take a long view.

Kingship, whether it goes back to the first tribal leader among Neanderthals or the earliest humans, whether it’s a leader of a primitive tribe in New Guinea today or the Queen of England, involves a ‘setting apart’ of the person. So just because, as an ‘egalitarian’ citizen of the U.S., averse to any ‘trappings of royalty’, and living in AD 2018, one might personally think, "Any sign or symbol that I think is old-fashioned, girly, ornate, expensive, etc. isn’t something Jesus would wear, one needs to remember that Jesus isn’t just the 'kindly soul in Heaven in AD 2018 who would only do, or look like, the best possible U.S. citizen of AD 2018, i.e. a man wearing recycled, inexpensive clothing, absolutely no trappings to set Him apart because He’s giving everything away to everybody else while renewing the planet.
 
I hope this is enough of a Safe Space™ for me to come out as a hater of lace. I just don’t like it on vestments. Altar cloths? Fine. Surplices? Nope. I prefer the ones with crisp, clean, unadorned, blunt edges.

Come to think of it, I’ve never admitted that to anyone in real life, so please, guys, be gentle with the flogging I’m no doubt now deserving of. 🙈
 
Going from left to right, #2 & #3 are tolerable, #4 & #5 are too lacy. The rest, 👌
Also, I think pleated albs and surplices look orders of magnitude better than the ones without. #1 is probably the sharpest of the bunch.

In seriousness though, congratulations on your diocese’s new priests!
 
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