More or less eastern?

[RimoGrkoKatolik]

Slava Isusu Kristu!
Glory to Jesus Christ!

My dear eastern catholic brothers, help me with my problem please. I was baptized and confirmed in Roman Catholic Church. However, my heart belongs to Byzantine rite, that is where I belong, and I want to become a Byzantine priest :byzsoc: I can’t describe how much I love attending liturgy in Byzantine Catholic Church, that is a beautiful gift from Lord.
But, I found one thing that just can’t get out from my head-
AM I LESS EASTERN IF I WAS BAPTIZED IN ROMAN RITE?
I know that it sounds goofy, but it really isn’t going out of my head for few days. I just want to know can I be same Byzantine Catholic as someone who was baptized in Byzantine Catholic church?

Many years!

 

[malphono]

It’s difficult to supply an answer based on the OP, so let me pose several questions. A little more information would be helpful.

• How old are you?
• Is part of your family Byzantine?
• If not, how did you come to appreciate the Byzantine DL?
• How long and how often have you been attending Byzantine DL?
• Have you spoken with a Byzantine priest yet?

 

[RimoGrkoKatolik]

It’s difficult to supply an answer based on the OP, so let me pose several questions. A little more information would be helpful.

• How old are you?
• Is part of your family Byzantine?
• If not, how did you come to appreciate the Byzantine DL?
• How long and how often have you been attending Byzantine DL?
• Have you spoken with a Byzantine priest yet?

I am 17 and I am in Seminary. I don’t have any Byzantine roots unfortunately I am attending Byzantine Divine Liturgy for about one year. I know almost all Byzantine Catholic priest, and I am in good relations with our bishop. They were really happy when I came to their church, whole parish is happy about that and I have support from them.

 

[Iron_Donkey]

I am 17 and I am in Seminary. I don’t have any Byzantine roots unfortunately I am attending Byzantine Divine Liturgy for about one year. I know almost all Byzantine Catholic priest, and I am in good relations with our bishop. They were really happy when I came to their church, whole parish is happy about that and I have support from them.

It is possible to change rites, though I am not aware of the process. It is also possible for a priest to have “bi-ritual faculties,” primarily so that he can support Eastern Catholics where there are no (few) Eastern Priests.

But in either case, I would suggest talking to both the Eastern priest and your bishop since you say you know him, and I’d probably suggest doing it soon. In particular, if you’re going to end up as an Eastern priest, that may change your seminary plan somewhat.

(Info shamelessly stolen from this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=197396.)

 

[malphono]

I am 17 and I am in Seminary. I don’t have any Byzantine roots unfortunately I am attending Byzantine Divine Liturgy for about one year. I know almost all Byzantine Catholic priest, and I am in good relations with our bishop. They were really happy when I came to their church, whole parish is happy about that and I have support from them.

OK, that helps a bit. One thing I neglected to ask was where you are located, which may or may not have a tangential bearing.

Anyway, it is possible to transfer, but it requires permission. From the CCOE:

Canon 32 - §1. No one can validly transfer to another Church sui iuris without the consent of the Apostolic See.
§2. In the case of Christian faithful of an eparchy of a certain Church sui iuris who petition to transfer to another Church sui iuris which has its own eparchy in the same territory, this consent of the Apostolic See is presumed, provided that the eparchial bishops of both eparchies consent to the transfer in writing.

The general requirements for a transfer are that the person be intimately familiar with, and firmly committed to, the Church to which he desires to transfer. Also to be noted is that, as a rule, a transfer is permitted only once. IOW, it’s much more difficult and complicated to either “go back” or transfer yet again.

Since you know some Byzantine priests and the bishop, you already have your pathway prepared. My suggestion is to first discuss the whole idea with the priest with whom you are most familiar. He will know the steps that need to be taken to move things along, and will guide you through the process with the bishop.

I hope this helps a little. Best of luck.

 

[RimoGrkoKatolik]

OK, that helps a bit. One thing I neglected to ask was where you are located, which may or may not have a tangential bearing.

Anyway, it is possible to transfer, but it requires permission. From the CCOE:

The general requirements for a transfer are that the person be intimately familiar with, and firmly committed to, the Church to which he desires to transfer. Also to be noted is that, as a rule, a transfer is permitted only once. IOW, it’s much more difficult and complicated to either “go back” or transfer yet again.

Since you know some Byzantine priests and the bishop, you already have your pathway prepared. My suggestion is to first discuss the whole idea with the priest with whom you are most familiar. He will know the steps that need to be taken to move things along, and will guide you through the process with the bishop.

I hope this helps a little. Best of luck.

Transfer is not a problem because I want to be a priest, but stay in celibate. My bishop told me there’s no problem if I will be in celibate because Congregation for Oriental churches usually approves transfer if a priest is celibate, if a born Roman wants to transfer and become a married priest, that becomes problem because it can mean that he wants to transfer only because he wants to be married.

But my question is, if I am ordained in Eastern church, Byzantine in my case, but came from Latin background, am I less eastern (Byzantine) than baptized Byzantines? Because I really feel like a Byzantine, and I call myself Byzantine Catholic.

 

[malphono]

Transfer is not a problem because I want to be a priest, but stay in celibate. My bishop told me there’s no problem if I will be in celibate because Congregation for Oriental churches usually approves transfer if a priest is celibate, if a born Roman wants to transfer and become a married priest, that becomes problem because it can mean that he wants to transfer only because he wants to be married.

But my question is, if I am ordained in Eastern church, Byzantine in my case, but came from Latin background, am I less eastern (Byzantine) than baptized Byzantines? Because I really feel like a Byzantine, and I call myself Byzantine Catholic.

Maybe I’m just not understanding the question. When one makes a formal transfer, one is legally ascribed to the “new” Church, IOW, the person becomes a full “member” of that Church. In your case, you would not be “less Eastern” than one baptized into that Church as an infant. But that can only happen after a formal transfer.

 

[RimoGrkoKatolik]

Maybe I’m just not understanding the question. When one makes a formal transfer, one is legally ascribed to the “new” Church, IOW, the person becomes a full “member” of that Church. In your case, you would not be “less Eastern” than one baptized into that Church as an infant. But that can only happen after a formal transfer.

Thank you on your answer, I am really happy to hear that

Many years!
Mnogaja ljeta!

 

[CDB1718]

20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 After agreeing with the laborers for the usual daily wage, he sent them into his vineyard.

3 When he went out about nine o’clock, he saw others standing idle in the marketplace; 4 and he said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ So they went. 5 When he went out again about noon and about three o’clock, he did the same.

6 And about five o’clock he went out and found others standing around; and he said to them, ‘Why are you standing here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard.’

8 When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, ‘Call the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and then going to the first.’ 9 When those hired about five o’clock came, each of them received the usual daily wage. 10 Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received the usual daily wage.11 And when they received it, they grumbled against the landowner, 12 saying, ‘These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.’

13 But he replied to one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage? 14 Take what belongs to you and go; I choose to give to this last the same as I give to you. 15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous?’ 16 So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

 

[RimoGrkoKatolik]

CDB1718:
It took some time to understand, but I understand it now. Thank you CDB1718 !

I was talking with some Basilian sisters and my bishop, they told me same answer " you are Eastern Catholic, same as baptized Eastern Catholics". I am really happy now
And I was really surprised when I found out that many priests in our Eparchy of Križevci are former Roman Catholics!

Please pray for me, pray for my priestly vocation. :byzsoc: