More "Progressive" Catholic Rhetoric

[josephdavid]

With regards to all-male Priesthood:

“Paul wrote…ALL WHO ARE BAPTIZED SHARE IN CHRIST’s ROYAL PRIESTHOOD. Baptism is not priesthood, priesthood is priesthood. Since women are baptised according to Christ they can share in his priesthood. Plus you cannot take everything in the bible 100% word for word without for getting the culture and time. Before Jesus came polygyny was allowed, girls were sold off for money, women who had affairs were stoned to death. In the old testament instead of praying for a healthy child women prayed only to have sons.You must be a blind man if you don’t understand biblical society and even how are own society is biased and sexist towards women and minorities.”

 

[emsvetich]

What are you thoughts on this? I am sorry, the connection between the title of your thread and your entry is confusing to me. I must be reading something incorrectly.

 

[josephdavid]

I think it is typical junk.

I always thought God’s law is for all times.

 

[josephdavid]

Sorry but these people want to change the Church so they can live their lives how they see fit.

-contrception
-abortion
-women priests
-gay marriage

 

[Robert_in_SD]

josephdavid:

With regards to all-male Priesthood:

“Paul wrote…ALL WHO ARE BAPTIZED SHARE IN CHRIST’s ROYAL PRIESTHOOD. Baptism is not priesthood, priesthood is priesthood. Since women are baptised according to Christ they can share in his priesthood. Plus you cannot take everything in the bible 100% word for word without for getting the culture and time. Before Jesus came polygyny was allowed, girls were sold off for money, women who had affairs were stoned to death. In the old testament instead of praying for a healthy child women prayed only to have sons.You must be a blind man if you don’t understand biblical society and even how are own society is biased and sexist towards women and minorities.”

The common priesthood of Jesus Christ is shared by all. But you are confusing this common priesthood with the hierarchical or ministerial priesthood of priests and bishops.

**Catechism of the Catholic Church

Two participations in the one priesthood of Christ **

1546 Christ, high priest and unique mediator, has made of the Church "a kingdom, priests for his God and Father."20 The whole community of believers is, as such, priestly. The faithful exercise their baptismal priesthood through their participation, each according to his own vocation, in Christ’s mission as priest, prophet, and king. Through the sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation the faithful are "consecrated to be . . . a holy priesthood."21

1547 The ministerial or hierarchical priesthood of bishops and priests, and the common priesthood of all the faithful participate, “each in its own proper way, in the one priesthood of Christ.” While being “ordered one to another,” they differ essentially.22 In what sense? While the common priesthood of the faithful is exercised by the unfolding of baptismal grace --a life of faith, hope, and charity, a life according to the Spirit–, the ministerial priesthood is at the service of the common priesthood. It is directed at the unfolding of the baptismal grace of all Christians. The ministerial priesthood is a means by which Christ unceasingly builds up and leads his Church. For this reason it is transmitted by its own sacrament, the sacrament of Holy Orders.

The ministerial priesthhood is given by Christ to the Church. He saw fit to not include women in this gift. Why - I do not know. But the Church has made clear that despite what its individual members may believe, it does not have the authority to ordain women as priests.

**Catechism of the Catholic Church

VI. WHO CAN RECEIVE THIS SACRAMENT? **

1577 "Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination."66 The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry.67 The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ’s return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.68

1578 No one has a right to receive the sacrament of Holy Orders. Indeed no one claims this office for himself; he is called to it by God.69 Anyone who thinks he recognizes the signs of God’s call to the ordained ministry must humbly submit his desire to the authority of the Church, who has the responsibility and right to call someone to receive orders. Like every grace this sacrament can be received only as an unmerited gift.

1579 All the ordained ministers of the Latin Church, with the exception of permanent deacons, are normally chosen from among men of faith who live a celibate life and who intend to remain celibate "for the sake of the kingdom of heaven."70 Called to consecrate themselves with undivided heart to the Lord and to "the affairs of the Lord,"71 they give themselves entirely to God and to men. Celibacy is a sign of this new life to the service of which the Church’s minister is consecrated; accepted with a joyous heart celibacy radiantly proclaims the Reign of God.72

1580 In the Eastern Churches a different discipline has been in force for many centuries: while bishops are chosen solely from among celibates, married men can be ordained as deacons and priests. This practice has long been considered legitimate; these priests exercise a fruitful ministry within their communities.73 Moreover, priestly celibacy is held in great honor in the Eastern Churches and many priests have freely chosen it for the sake of the Kingdom of God. In the East as in the West a man who has already received the sacrament of Holy Orders can no longer marry.

It makes sense, however, given the fact that the priest during the mass acts in persona christi as the bridegroom of the Church, hence the position must be taken by a male.

 

[Robert_in_SD]

josephdavid:

With regards to all-male Priesthood:

"Paul wrote…ALL WHO ARE BAPTIZED SHARE IN CHRIST’s ROYAL PRIESTHOOD. Baptism is not priesthood, priesthood is priesthood. [1] Since women are baptised according to Christ they can share in his priesthood. [2] Plus you cannot take everything in the bible 100% word for word without for getting the culture and time.** [3]** Before Jesus came polygyny was allowed, girls were sold off for money, women who had affairs were stoned to death. In the old testament instead of praying for a healthy child women prayed only to have sons. ** [4] ** You must be a blind man if you don’t understand biblical society and even how are own society is biased and sexist towards women and minorities."

[1] I addressed this in my post above. You are confusing the term priesthood in the text as referring to the ministerial priesthood of the Church. It is not. The text acknowledges what the Church recognizes - the priestly community of believers including men and women.

[2] Agreed. Nor can you ignore what Scripture and the Church teach by claiming that it is rendered meaningless by the passage of time and cultural change.

[3] These practices continued even after Jesus was crucified, died, and rose from the dead. If that was not enough to change men’s hearts, why do you think that a ministerial priesthood that includes women will stamp out inequality?

[4] How is an all male priesthood sexist? Would a convent be sexist if it admitted only women? What about a women’s gym? A locker room? A maternity ward? Does entrance criteria alone make something sexist? Isn’t it more about foundational beliefs?

**Catechism of the Catholic Church

Equality and difference willed by God **
369 Man and woman have been created, which is to say, willed by God: on the one hand, in perfect equality as human persons; on the other, in their respective beings as man and woman. “Being man” or “being woman” is a reality which is good and willed by God: man and woman possess an inalienable dignity which comes to them immediately from God their Creator.240 Man and woman are both with one and the same dignity “in the image of God”. In their “being-man” and “being-woman”, they reflect the Creator’s wisdom and goodness.

370 In no way is God in man’s image. He is neither man nor woman. God is pure spirit in which there is no place for the difference between the sexes. But the respective “perfections” of man and woman reflect something of the infinite perfection of God: those of a mother and those of a father and husband.241

**“Each for the other” - “A unity in two” **

371 God created man and woman together and willed each for the other. The Word of God gives us to understand this through various features of the sacred text. "It is not good that the man should be alone. I will make him a helper fit for him."242 None of the animals can be man’s partner.243 The woman God “fashions” from the man’s rib and brings to him elicits on the man’s part a cry of wonder, an exclamation of love and communion: "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh."244 Man discovers woman as another “I”, sharing the same humanity.

372 Man and woman were made “for each other” - not that God left them half-made and incomplete: he created them to be a communion of persons, in which each can be “helpmate” to the other, for they are equal as persons (“bone of my bones. . .”) and complementary as masculine and feminine. In marriage God unites them in such a way that, by forming “one flesh”,245 they can transmit human life: "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth."246 By transmitting human life to their descendants, man and woman as spouses and parents cooperate in a unique way in the Creator’s work.247

373 In God’s plan man and woman have the vocation of “subduing” the earth248 as stewards of God. This sovereignty is not to be an arbitrary and destructive domination. God calls man and woman, made in the image of the Creator “who loves everything that exists”,249 to share in his providence toward other creatures; hence their responsibility for the world God has entrusted to them.