More Protestant distortions about the Catholic sainthood process

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No, I did not change anything. Father is in quotation marks simply because Jesus told me not to call Msgr. Baker “Father.”
 
Bill Jackson:
No, I did not change anything. Father is in quotation marks simply because Jesus told me not to call Msgr. Baker “Father.”
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Well. I will have to take your word for it that you did not change what Exporter and I both saw.
As for your “call no man father” argument (which I presume you mean, rather than Jesus told you, Bill, specifically not to call Msgr. Baker “Father”), there are several threads on these fora which you are more than welcome to join. I won’t hijack this thread by going off on a tangent.
 
I know all the Catholic arguments about Matthew 23:9; from Website: From THIS ROCK, January 1991. CALL NO MAN FATHER? by Mitchell Pacwa, S.J. Six scriptures are cited where the term “Father” is supposed to be used for Christian leaders - 1 Cor 4:15, Php 2:22, 1 Thess 2:11, 1 Tim 5:1, I Jn 2:13,14. Note that none of these are authoritatively interpreted by Rome, and none speak of using the title “Father.”
 
Bill Jackson:
No, I did not change anything. Father is in quotation marks simply because Jesus told me not to call Msgr. Baker “Father.”
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i assume you have trouble finding a term to use for the man who married your mother then.
Jesus was referring to calling someone “father” in the sense that we are to call God our father. is the word father, faeder, pater, padre, athair, tad, ect. reserved soley for addressing God? obviously not. no one’s going to tell some kid they cant call the man who married their mother “daddy” under the allegation that it is blasphemy.
i’ll use an example from both the gospel and something one of the pastors at my church said. Jesus told peter to “feed my sheep/tend my flock”. another way to think of this “flock” is as a family because Jesus also taught us that we are all brothers and sisters. Jesus also said to his apostles “as the Father sent me, so I send you.”
one of the pastors at my church, when he and the other priest and brothers were over for dinner one night, told us about a question a young boy had asked him. the boy said “do you have any children?” and the priest answered, “yes, i do. when you come to church tomarrow, you’ll see them.” the boy came up to him the next day and said “where are your children?” and the priest said, “look at all the people in the church. those are all my children.”
you see, priests are spiritual advisors and leaders of our church family, as the apostles were the leaders of the early church family. what do you call the man who leads and guides his children?

have you read this? catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp
 
There is a great deal of difference between a person who performs a father function and one whose title is father. I call my Dad Father because that was his function - I did not give him the title “Father Daddy”
That’s why Mary could say "Your father and I sought thee. Joseph was not Jesus’ biological father but he performed the function.

Roman Cathiolic priests have the title but not the function. They normally preside over Baptisms, yet this “regeneration” does not guarantee Heaven, whereas mine did.

He dispenses sacraments, the totality of which cannot guarantee Heaven. His father function is sorely lacking. Functioning fathers provide good things for their children. The priest is not to blame; he has nothing to give.

There no biblical ground for giving him the title.

Scott Hahn, on the steps of a Catholic Church in San Diego, tried to prove the priest/Father concept from Judges 17:10.
 
mostly cause protestants are not involved into the traditions of catholicism therefore not understanding or taught the sainthood…most protestants beleive they are going to heaving upon believing and are saints at salvation…if you’ll notice protestants do not have elaborate traditions…mostly cause they have not established a one central government over the church that has lasted for thousands of years…but instead tend to allow christ…“the head of the church” to run it…Ceasar
 
Bill Jackson:
There is a great deal of difference between a person who performs a father function and one whose title is father. I call my Dad Father because that was his function - I did not give him the title “Father Daddy”
That’s why Mary could say "Your father and I sought thee. Joseph was not Jesus’ biological father but he performed the function.

Roman Cathiolic priests have the title but not the function. They normally preside over Baptisms, yet this “regeneration” does not guarantee Heaven, whereas mine did.

He dispenses sacraments, the totality of which cannot guarantee Heaven. His father function is sorely lacking. Functioning fathers provide good things for their children. The priest is not to blame; he has nothing to give.

There no biblical ground for giving him the title.

Scott Hahn, on the steps of a Catholic Church in San Diego, tried to prove the priest/Father concept from Judges 17:10.
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A priest does have a fatherly role in the church in as much that the whole congregation are children of God and that the priest is the head of the local family (parish)… is that calling the priest God? No. When applying the term “Creator, Father, 1st person of the Trinity” to someone other than God the Father Himself, this would be blasphemy.
 
This whole article is another distortion of Roman Catholicism from a protestant… ANY Christian has a chance to become a saint (by the grace of Jesus Christ), but that doesn’t mean that they will be canonized a saint. There’s a difference between a canonized saint and an everyday saint… Canonization is just a process which is used to verify that a person is in heaven.
 
Bill Jackson:
There is a great deal of difference between a person who performs a father function and one whose title is father. I call my Dad Father because that was his function - I did not give him the title “Father Daddy”
That’s why Mary could say "Your father and I sought thee. Joseph was not Jesus’ biological father but he performed the function.

Roman Cathiolic priests have the title but not the function. They normally preside over Baptisms, yet this “regeneration” does not guarantee Heaven, whereas mine did.

He dispenses sacraments, the totality of which cannot guarantee Heaven. His father function is sorely lacking. Functioning fathers provide good things for their children. The priest is not to blame; he has nothing to give.

There no biblical ground for giving him the title.

Scott Hahn, on the steps of a Catholic Church in San Diego, tried to prove the priest/Father concept from Judges 17:10.
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ok, evidently you didnt read all of my post where i explained the family aspect of the Church. and i’m sorry…your baptism does not guarentee your salvation. you have to live your life in accordance with Christ’s teachings.
 
Semper Fi:
This whole article is another distortion of Roman Catholicism from a protestant… ANY Christian has a chance to become a saint (by the grace of Jesus Christ), but that doesn’t mean that they will be canonized a saint. There’s a difference between a canonized saint and an everyday saint… Canonization is just a process which is used to verify that a person is in heaven.
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**AMEN!👍 **
 
You are all very uptight about sainthood. Please read the aeticle before you criticize. I didn’t say every Catholic believes in “making a saint” and stated that canonization doesn’t make a saint but recognizes one.

The paragraph you mnost object to is

I realize, of course, that the process of canonization is actually the recognizing of the sainthood of a person by the Catholic Church, which does believe there are people in Heaven that are not officially canonized. But in popular Roman Catholic jargon, canonization is thought of as “the making of a saint.”

Whether you believe this or not, it is true.Popular RCism called John Paul II a “saint-maker” because he canonizd so many.

Your having correct belief does not insure that for the vast majority of Catholics especially overseas.

Go to Ireland and ask about “saint-making”!!!
 
Bill Jackson:
You are all very uptight about sainthood. Please read the aeticle before you criticize. I didn’t say every Catholic believes in “making a saint” and stated that canonization doesn’t make a saint but recognizes one.

The paragraph you mnost object to is

I realize, of course, that the process of canonization is actually the recognizing of the sainthood of a person by the Catholic Church, which does believe there are people in Heaven that are not officially canonized. But in popular Roman Catholic jargon, canonization is thought of as “the making of a saint.”

Whether you believe this or not, it is true.Popular RCism called John Paul II a “saint-maker” because he canonizd so many.

Your having correct belief does not insure that for the vast majority of Catholics especially overseas.

Go to Ireland and ask about “saint-making”!!!
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I wonder if people are just misunderstanding the Catholic view of saints, in which case education is what’s necessary.
 
Mr. Jackson
How do you know so much about what Catholics actually believe and think about their faith.Just by saying " whether you believe it or not, it is true" does not prove a thing.
What is “popular Roman Catholicism”?
How can you critizise catholics for having different opinions of their faith when there are 35000 to 45000 different non catholic christian denominations in the States.
 
Bill Jackson:
You are all very uptight about sainthood. Please read the aeticle before you criticize. I didn’t say every Catholic believes in “making a saint” and stated that canonization doesn’t make a saint but recognizes one.

The paragraph you mnost object to is

I realize, of course, that the process of canonization is actually the recognizing of the sainthood of a person by the Catholic Church, which does believe there are people in Heaven that are not officially canonized. But in popular Roman Catholic jargon, canonization is thought of as “the making of a saint.”

Whether you believe this or not, it is true.Popular RCism called John Paul II a “saint-maker” because he canonizd so many.

Your having correct belief does not insure that for the vast majority of Catholics especially overseas.

Go to Ireland and ask about “saint-making”!!!
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I think the problem is that when someone who does not understand the process says “the making of a saint” the implication is that it is by the power of the Pope that one is made saintly, and NOT by the power of God. I know that when I talk to other Catholics, they will say that Pope So-and-So made Such-and-Such a Saint. I believe that most Catholics have a rudimentary grasp of what it means to be called a Saint, but I don’t believe that they think that it is the Pope who “makes” someone a Saint. Maybe the problem is more simply the terminology used, rather than the belief? I think it is just easier for people to say “the Pope made someone as Saint” as opposed to “the Church has received confirmation that so-and-so is in Heaven, and the Pope has made the declaration to the faithful.”
 
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juno24:
I think the problem is that when someone who does not understand the process says “the making of a saint” the implication is that it is by the power of the Pope that one is made saintly, and NOT by the power of God. I know that when I talk to other Catholics, they will say that Pope So-and-So made Such-and-Such a Saint. I believe that most Catholics have a rudimentary grasp of what it means to be called a Saint, but I don’t believe that they think that it is the Pope who “makes” someone a Saint. Maybe the problem is more simply the terminology used, rather than the belief? I think it is just easier for people to say “the Pope made someone as Saint” as opposed to “the Church has received confirmation that so-and-so is in Heaven, and the Pope has made the declaration to the faithful.”
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exactly- it’s the recognition that someone is a saint; lived a saintly life.
 
Rand Al'Thor:
and i’m sorry…your baptism does not guarentee your salvation. you have to live your life in accordance with Christ’s teachings.
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Amen!! Related to the error of sola fide…

my Mother my Confidence,
Corinne
 
Bill Jackson:
Roman Cathiolic priests have the title but not the function. They normally preside over Baptisms, yet this “regeneration” does not guarantee Heaven, whereas mine did.
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Dear Mr Jackson:

The Bible disagrees with you that Baptism guarantees you a spot in heaven. A murderer cannot enter the kingdom of heaven and someone who hates his own brother is a murderer according to the word of God. Faith isn’t just believing that Christ is Risen (the devil knows this and he isn’t getting back in), true faith means that you walk with Christ everyday of your life and do His will. Baptism will guarantee you a spot in heaven if you choose to live the way Christ did (works). Please see in your own KJV, James chapter 2 and Matthew chapter 5 for a better explanation. Also, if you go here: etext.lib.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html and do a search for “works”, and “good works”, you’ll get a much better explanation than I could give anyday.
James 2:14-24:
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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Semper Fi:
Dear Mr Jackson:

The Bible disagrees with you that Baptism guarantees you a spot in heaven. A murderer cannot enter the kingdom of heaven and someone who hates his own brother is a murderer according to the word of God. Faith isn’t just believing that Christ is Risen (the devil knows this and he isn’t getting back in), true faith means that you walk with Christ everyday of your life and do His will. Baptism will guarantee you a spot in heaven if you choose to live the way Christ did (works). Please see in your own KJV, James chapter 2 and Matthew chapter 5 for a better explanation. Also, if you go here: etext.lib.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html and do a search for “works”, and “good works”, you’ll get a much better explanation than I could give anyday.
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my Mother my Confidence,
Corinne
 
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