More Scandal From the Pro-Life Movement's Perceived Lack of Concern For the Born

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blackforest said:
What the what? I’m fiercely pro-life and won’t shut up about the injustice at the border! People like me are an inconvenience to the pigeonholers . . .
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They’ll just overlook you since it’s hard to go after a reasonable position.
(At least the pro-choice side)
 
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Moose said:
Those who consciously elect to enter thru illegal means have inflicted themselves.
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I don’t know if that’s the right approach. Is there any good reason to show such disinterest?
 
Moose said:
Nice troll-work.
Any grief, suffering, mayhem that “the children “ experience in the process of ILLEGALLY
Entering this country is the complete fault of their home countries, their parents, their mules…
No harm occurs at the southern US border to those who enter thru the correct pathways.

Those who consciously elect to enter thru illegal means have inflicted themselves.

Is it a shame? Absolutely. Their parents should make better decisions.

As far as those who claim “asylum”?
Fix your own country’s government - you have no right to ruin this one.

Now, SJW’s…have your whine party.
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I posted a response but it’ll get me in trouble.

I’ll post this instead:

 
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This border/pro-life argument isn’t about pro-life Catholics. It’s about right-wing conservatives who put politics ahead of their faiths, whether Catholic, Evangelical, etc.

It’s not a matter of morality but of political expediency, and incivility to anyone who’s not a Trumpist.
 
on_the_hill said:
This border/pro-life argument isn’t about pro-life Catholics. It’s about right-wing conservatives who put politics ahead of their faiths, whether Catholic, Evangelical, etc.
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nice try, but there is more than one way to solve a problem. claiming right-wing conservatives are putting politics before their faith is blowing smoke. only congress can settle this, not pro-life groups.
 
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billsannie said:
but at least the baby doesn’t usually suffer, or even know its life is snuffed out.
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Have you watched the research where babies are being aborted and are trying to get away from the medical instruments? I won’t post links here, but a quick google will find them.
This research and the reaction of these innocent victims would refute your argument.
 
billsannie said:
but the consensus seems to be that a baby can’t feel any kind of physical pain until at least twenty weeks after conception.
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It used to be thought that fish and worms didn’t feel pain or suffer. Then scientific research discovered we were wrong.
A baby at 20 weeks is 5 months old. There is no consensus amongst the medical fraternity that a 3 or 4 or almost 5 month old foetus doesn’t feel a thing. Again, google those links.
 
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“The pro-life movement is silent about children dyring at the border.”

Projection and character assassination without any backup. I do personally care about children t the border, and i am against all immigration laws.
 
billsannie said:
Doctors differ but the consensus seems to be that a baby can’t feel any kind of physical pain until at least twenty weeks after conception.
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Even if you accept that, and it isn’t universally accepted, what of the babies killed in the womb after 20 weeks? What of babies who survive botched abortions and are left to die?
 
Thom18 said:
This evening’s (and tomorrow’s) gospel reading is taken from Luke, the parable of the Good Samaritan. My pastor’s homily got deep into the question of “who is my neighbor?”, and he nailed it. Replace the priest and Levite with two Americans, and do the same for the victim of the robbing. Then replace the Samaritan with a radical Islamist fundamentalist (my pastor’s words). This is how the parable can better speak to us today- who hates America more than an ISIS fighter?
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today, my priest interpreted it this way

the injured man is unsaved mankind. The robbers are Satan. The lawyer is a backsliding man (going away from Jerusalem). The Samaritan is Jesus who provides the two coins, the old and new testaments and will provide more when he returns.

the passage has many levels, the takeaway is:
  1. we are to show love and compassion for others.
  2. our neighbor is anyone we encounter and we are to love all of mankind as Jesus has taught.
  3. we need a savior, and this is Jesus.
we don’t need to feel guilty about the people at the border. which as individuals we can’t do much about. your journey is an individual one. you must help who you can but not obsess over who you can’t help.
 
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on_the_hill:
This border/pro-life argument isn’t about pro-life Catholics. It’s about right-wing conservatives who put politics ahead of their faiths, whether Catholic, Evangelical, etc.
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nice try, but there is more than one way to solve a problem. claiming right-wing conservatives are putting politics before their faith is blowing smoke. only congress can settle this, not pro-life groups.
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Nice try and you get a point for using the idiom ‘blowing smoke’ (it would’ve been two points for claiming ‘strawman’) but I didn’t claim pro-life groups can solve this.
 
Are the points a good thing or a bad thing?
 
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upant said:
we don’t need to feel guilty about the people at the border.
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Perhaps, but some have a tendency to not show concern and that might be off putting to some invidiuals who are acting in good faith.
 
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ZMystiCat said:
So they’re engaging in whataboutism?
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It’s worse than whataboutism.
It’s falsehood multiplied by irrelevance multiplied by hypocrisy.

It’s simply untrue that the pro-life movement values some lives more than others.

It’s also irrelevant whether or not pro-lifers can walk and chew gum at the same time and divide their time exactly evenly between two or three or four different causes.

And the hypocrisy is people who are in favor of abortion-on-demand lecturing others about the need to help defenceless children.
 
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Thom18:
This evening’s (and tomorrow’s) gospel reading is taken from Luke, the parable of the Good Samaritan. My pastor’s homily got deep into the question of “who is my neighbor?”, and he nailed it. Replace the priest and Levite with two Americans, and do the same for the victim of the robbing. Then replace the Samaritan with a radical Islamist fundamentalist (my pastor’s words). This is how the parable can better speak to us today- who hates America more than an ISIS fighter?
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today, my priest interpreted it this way

the injured man is unsaved mankind. The robbers are Satan. The lawyer is a backsliding man (going away from Jerusalem). The Samaritan is Jesus who provides the two coins, the old and new testaments and will provide more when he returns.
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Or it could mean you’re the evil man. And I’m the righteous man. And Mr. .45 here, he’s the shepherd protecting my righteous butt in the valley of darkness. Or it could be you’re the righteous man and I’m the shepherd and it’s the world that’s evil and selfish. I’d like that. But that stuff ain’t the truth. The truth is you’re the weak. And I’m the tyranny of evil men. But I’m tryin, Ringo. I’m tryin’ real hard to be the shepherd.
 
Wozza said:
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Thom18:
This evening’s (and tomorrow’s) gospel reading is taken from Luke, the parable of the Good Samaritan. My pastor’s homily got deep into the question of “who is my neighbor?”, and he nailed it. Replace the priest and Levite with two Americans, and do the same for the victim of the robbing. Then replace the Samaritan with a radical Islamist fundamentalist (my pastor’s words). This is how the parable can better speak to us today- who hates America more than an ISIS fighter?
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today, my priest interpreted it this way

the injured man is unsaved mankind. The robbers are Satan. The lawyer is a backsliding man (going away from Jerusalem). The Samaritan is Jesus who provides the two coins, the old and new testaments and will provide more when he returns.
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Or it could mean you’re the evil man. And I’m the righteous man. And Mr. .45 here, he’s the shepherd protecting my righteous butt in the valley of darkness. Or it could be you’re the righteous man and I’m the shepherd and it’s the world that’s evil and selfish. I’d like that. But that stuff ain’t the truth. The truth is you’re the weak. And I’m the tyranny of evil men. But I’m tryin, Ringo. I’m tryin’ real hard to be the shepherd.
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“And I shall strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger… And you shall know my name is.the Lord!”
 
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