Mormans - nicest folks ever!

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Sorry I did not mean to offend…

After the way I was treated, some of my kids pulled away…they were hit by some as well and it caused great damage to their faith. It is a story in itself of how it ever happened.

I tell my friends that they can’t imagine…even a priest of my former diocese knew of this element there. My former would never tolerate it.

I am in a region of the country where at one time we had some priests and nuns who wanted to form a new Catholic church. Just a few caused alot of damage…and it caused alot of reactionary attitudes…but it is so sad that some people can’t heal. My former pastor thinks people are extremists who can’t heal from past wrongs, and that comment was for the Jews who were still bringing up the Inquisition.

So I carry personal baggage that my kids’ faith were greatly damage by such people. I could say more how they were…they are getting their faith now restored. It has been **** and hell. It came out of a time of consensual leadership that it is group consensus and not Jesus Christ…The Church is about Jesus Christ, not us. We revolve around HIs way of looking at things, we are to live off of His power and grace given us in the Eucharist and Word…not the other way around…then we truly have a catholic man made church…Luckily the Shepherd knows His sheep and His sheep know Him.

Last night I finally accepted this diocese where I am now beginning my work after raising my kids for 30 years. There is alot to do and I am in a most wonderful parish of fantastic Catholics.

And yes, I have stated the same how the Catholic Church was the foundation of hospitals, hospice, learning institutions, promoter of the arts…Mexico was the center of learning in the New World…women and girls receiving a right to an education hundreds of years before North Americans did. Unfortunately the Masonic Revolution destroyed the infrastructure there.

So I am praying for charity and grace and patience living with these wounds to stand up and affirm the Lord and the Christian Brotherhood…the latter for all who take the name of Jesus. We need to be one. And the only way to do that is to seek objective truth. I mean that for everybody. Christ willed we be one…in Him.

To do Christ’s will is to seek oneness in Him…
 
Jerok said:
Also note this is the "non-catholic religion’ forum;

Would you rather insult people than encourage them to do good, then? This isn’t a thread about who is right or not, this is simply saying “I think you are nice folks, we should strive to be nicer.” Noone ever got hurt by admitting they should strive to be nicer. Thanks 👍
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Jerok said:
Sorry for the stereotypes (even if it IS positive), but I have to say that Mormans are the nicest group of people I’ve met, as a whole. Even reading online I am amazed at how kind and understanding they are, even when people attack their faith. I

Jesus said you’ll know people by their fruits, so I think Catholics need to step it up 😃

I’m not saying this is true for every Morman and I’ve met amazing Catholics, but it’s just the sum of all my experiences with them. Does anyone feel the same?

I love Catholicism and believe it’s the truth, and I pray that everyone will get into heaven and I pray that Mormans will find truth and their way to heaven too! 👍
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You weren’t ecouraging the Mormons to do better, you were saying THEY ARE BETTER.
That is close to proselytizing, very close.
Jerok said:
…Mormans are the nicest group of people I’ve met, as a whole. Even reading online I am amazed at how kind and understanding they are, even when people attack their faith.
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Also, I’ve been here longer than you, look back at some of the Catholic & Protestant vs Mormon debates, some of the Mormons start to insult the Catholics & Protestants when the Catholics & Protestants start to win the debate.

If there is a new atmosphere of kindness from all sides, then it is a somewhat recent occurence.
 
Answersplease said:
You weren’t ecouraging the Mormons to do better, you were saying THEY ARE BETTER.
That is close to proselytizing, very close.
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‘Geez Malvolio, you take birdshot and make it out to be cannon balls.’ That’s what you seem to be doing…like Malvolio fro 12th night, you’re taking a harmless statement, and blowing it way out of proportion. He said that they are better at being nice, because, like he said…they generally are (At least, I’ve found that…though I know only one…). That doesn’t mean he’s yelling that you should all jump ship and join them. Let me put it another way. Lets say that Sports Team A is better at…Defence then sports team B. Does that mean all the players should get up and leave team B because they are better at Defence? No…they try to get better, maybe perhaps learning from them and what they do. That’s also what someone said in this thread, I think, to learn from them. Anyways, that’s my :twocents: …even if they make no sense at all.
 
AndrewJaffery said:
‘Geez Malvolio, you take birdshot and make it out to be cannon balls.’ That’s what you seem to be doing…like Malvolio fro 12th night, you’re taking a harmless statement, and blowing it way out of proportion. He said that they are better at being nice, because, like he said…they generally are (At least, I’ve found that…though I know only one…). That doesn’t mean he’s yelling that you should all jump ship and join them. Let me put it another way. Lets say that Sports Team A is better at…Defence then sports team B. Does that mean all the players should get up and leave team B because they are better at Defence? No…they try to get better, maybe perhaps learning from them and what they do. That’s also what someone said in this thread, I think, to learn from them. Anyways, that’s my :twocents: …even if they make no sense at all.
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He said that they are better at being nice
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Thread Title: Mormans - nicest folks ever!
AndrewJaffery said:
they are better at being nice, because, like he said…they generally are
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I didn’t push this point earlier, but since your 2cents wants to make light of the VAST amounts of charitable work the Catholic Church has done, as well as being on the dangerous frontline of the ABORTION issue…

The Catholic Church is a HOSPITAL for SINNERS.

Well so what if it is?

I’ll tell why “so what if it is”: The random Catholic that you meet could be a SAINT or a SINNER.

In fact the Catholic Church has many VILE and MEAN SINNERS.

So what, just kick those VILE and MEAN SINNERS out and then the people left would be KIND and DECENT .

If you think that the Catholic Church goes around kicking sinners out instead of keeping them around in the HOPE that someday they might REPENT and trying to help them recover without alienating them, then you don’t know what the Catholic Church is.

How many other religions kick undesireables out, so when you meet a representative from that religion, they are most likely KIND and DECENT?
 
I met the Mormons while I kept low for awhile healing…and I found them very nice…

Check out my posts on Mormons and the restoration from the past week…
 
Answersplease said:
You weren’t ecouraging the Mormons to do better, you were saying THEY ARE BETTER.
That is close to proselytizing, very close.

Also, I’ve been here longer than you, look back at some of the Catholic & Protestant vs Mormon debates, some of the Mormons start to insult the Catholics & Protestants when the Catholics & Protestants start to win the debate.

If there is a new atmosphere of kindness from all sides, then it is a somewhat recent occurence.
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No no no, I was encouraging us (me soon!) Catholics to be nicer. And I’m not sorry I said that. And obviously my ‘stereotypes’ are just that, they are true to me over my limited sample size, might not be everyone’s opinion, just my opinion. Geeze, did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this Christmas morning? :confused:
 
Just to give a little idea of that community I left…

My friend is a religious in habit. She was there for confession a few days ago…she finished confession and then in the vestibule saw someone she hadn’t seen for some time.

Yes, there were people inside waiting for confession. She talked to the fellow in a quiet voice. All of a sudden the door swept open from the inside, and a woman shouted out at them…‘Leave the premises!!’…

My husband went back to church with me after many years. It was there at that church with the pastor I referred to. We had a toddler. We had to go to the balcony as it was Christmas. The baby got down off the father’s lap and piddle paddled across the balcony. My husband caught him and and the pastor sitting below at Mass looked up at us and smiled.

Then later, he did it again…and my husband caught him. The very next moment this man who was the usher told him he and the baby had to leave the church. I refused to budge. But my husband was so intimidated, picked up the baby and went downstairs…I went out after Mass and found him in the car saying it was the first time he ever got kicked out of church.

I was really mad and called the former pastor. He told me to call the new pastor and it was the very first time in my life I ever called in with a complaint. So many years later when I got it there, then my husband had it and he has never gone back to church since. Same with another girlfriend of mine…our husbands see this stuff, our kids do…

The usher turned out to be self-appointed. He was always pulling old ladies out of church for whispering, women wiht babies, and finally the pastor asked people to come in with him to the court to give this man a restraining order from coming back.

I said I would rather follow Divine Mercy devotion they promote there…but the pastor finally got people to go…

The priests had to put in the parish bulletin that they didn’t have any ushers who were bouncers.
 
KathleenGee said:
I met the Mormons while I kept low for awhile healing…and I found them very nice…

Check out my posts on Mormons and the restoration from the past week…
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Some of the Mormons are not so nice if you beat them in a debate. Like I said, if there is a new atmosphere of kindness from all sides, then it seems fairly new, I have been gone from this forum for a while.
 
Answersplease said:
You are bordering on proselytizing, almost proselytizing but maybe not quite there.
Because you are saying that the Mormons are producing better fruit than the Catholics.

Anyway, you are wrong. And I doubt you know the VAST amounts of charitable work the Catholic Church has done.

Do you forget Mother Theresa of Calcutta? She won the Nobel Peace Prize and saved thousands of poor Indians literally living on the gutters of the streets.

Do you know how many HOSPITALS, SCHOOLS, ORPHANAGES, and HOMELESS SHELTERS the CATHOLIC CHURCH runs WORLDWIDE?

I challenge you to find a Church that does more for people than the Catholic Church.

Where are all the Protestants and Mormons when it comes to the ABORTION issue? Some help, but do they do it in great numbers and keep pushing the issue so that the unborn babies don’t get murdered?

55 MILLION DEAD aborted BABIES and rising at a rate of 1.4 MILLION per YEAR, and you think it is the Catholic Church that NEEDS TO STEP UP?

This forum makes me sad, the “Catholics” here make me sad.
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Exactly. The OP was bordering on proselytizing. The Catholics have far better fruit than the Mormons do. I like Mormons, I really do. But I still think that Catholics have far better fruit than the Mormons do. That said, nice does not make right.

Anyway, Merry Christmas and God bless to all of our Mormon friends. 🙂
 
KathleenGee said:
Just to give a little idea of that community I left…

My friend is a religious in habit. She was there for confession a few days ago…she finished confession and then in the vestibule saw someone she hadn’t seen for some time.

Yes, there were people inside waiting for confession. She talked to the fellow in a quiet voice. All of a sudden the door swept open from the inside, and a woman shouted out at them…‘Leave the premises!!’…

My husband went back to church with me after many years. It was there at that church with the pastor I referred to. We had a toddler. We had to go to the balcony as it was Christmas. The baby got down off the father’s lap and piddle paddled across the balcony. My husband caught him and and the pastor sitting below at Mass looked up at us and smiled.

Then later, he did it again…and my husband caught him. The very next moment this man who was the usher told him he and the baby had to leave the church. I refused to budge. But my husband was so intimidated, picked up the baby and went downstairs…I went out after Mass and found him in the car saying it was the first time he ever got kicked out of church.

I was really mad and called the former pastor. He told me to call the new pastor and it was the very first time in my life I ever called in with a complaint. So many years later when I got it there, then my husband had it and he has never gone back to church since. Same with another girlfriend of mine…our husbands see this stuff, our kids do…

The usher turned out to be self-appointed. He was always pulling old ladies out of church for whispering, women wiht babies, and finally the pastor asked people to come in with him to the court to give this man a restraining order from coming back.

I said I would rather follow Divine Mercy devotion they promote there…but the pastor finally got people to go…

The priests had to put in the parish bulletin that they didn’t have any ushers who were bouncers.
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I don’t know that particular situation and “community”, and it is irrelevent to the overall Catholic Church which is a HOSPITAL FOR SINNERS. You have some notion that the Catholic “community” did something wrong to you, and you don’t realize or at least admit that they are sinners and that people in general commit sins.

And you have a romanticized sense that all Mormons are all gentle and kind and virtuous. Some are, but I doubt they all are.

Like I said I don’t know the situation in that Catholic “community”, but:

the priest could have been wrong and a sinner,
the ‘self appointed usher’ could have been wrong and a sinner,
and you could have been wrong and a sinner.

It seems to me that the ‘self appointed usher’ was kept around hoping that he might eventually listen to counseling and to reason. He had a right to attend mass, but if he continued to prohibit others from their own right to attend mass AND he intimidated people like your husband, then the priest had to think of the physical safety of the rest of the community as well as their right to attend mass and to not be blocked from attending mass.

I’m not an expert on Catholicism and I have no idea how to be a pastor.

I am guessing that the ‘self appointed usher’ was not formally excommunicated.
And even if he was, formal excommunication is a last resort in order to show how serious the person’s situation so the person will come to realize their sins and to show others that might be following the person that the person is not to be followed.

The Catholic Church is where SAINTS and SINNERS come together to worship The Lord.

Jesus The Christ Himself ate His meals with sinners and prostitutes.

If Jesus The Christ lets Judas live, what is it to you?
 
I live in an area about 6 hours from Salt Lake so I know many, many Mormons. There are nice families but I have found a lot of times they are so nice because they are ALWAYS trying to convert members to their church. Long story, but trust me when I say do not trust them…their motives are to gain new members…that’s their goal and will stop at nothing.
 
This’ll my last post in this thread - obviously my friendly gesture was construed as anti-Catholic. :eek:

I wasn’t ‘proselytizing’. I believe they are wrong about MANY fundamental things. Is saying they are nice, and we should be nicer, proselytizing? If it is, then I guess we, as Catholics, are just the best at everything and we can’t learn anything?

I personally love to look at someone, find the good, and learn from it. Even if what they are doing is wrong or they are almost completely evil, often I can find some passion or kindness or something that, I can find inspiring. Seek the good in people to love them, love everyone. Just because a certain religion isn’t the true religion , doesn’t mean there isn’t a LOT of good that they are doing. Obviously Catholics produce better fruits overall, but a friendly reminder to increase those fruits isn’t bad.

Perhaps I went too far and seems to condone every little thing they believed in, but no… I didn’t say a word about their beliefs, just how nice the Morman’s I’ve met seem to be and yes, I learned something from them personally.

God Bless
 
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KathleenGee:
KathleenGee,

I apologize for my last post that replied to your post.

It was wrong of me to comment about you and about that situation since I am not a pastor and have no idea how to be one.
 
Jerok said:
This’ll my last post in this thread - obviously my friendly gesture was construed as anti-Catholic. :eek:

I wasn’t ‘proselytizing’. I believe they are wrong about MANY fundamental things. Is saying they are nice, and we should be nicer, proselytizing? If it is, then I guess we, as Catholics, are just the best at everything and we can’t learn anything?

I personally love to look at someone, find the good, and learn from it. Even if what they are doing is wrong or they are almost completely evil, often I can find some passion or kindness or something that, I can find inspiring. Seek the good in people to love them, love everyone. Just because a certain religion isn’t the true religion , doesn’t mean there isn’t a LOT of good that they are doing. Obviously Catholics produce better fruits overall, but a friendly reminder to increase those fruits isn’t bad.

Perhaps I went too far and seems to condone every little thing they believed in, but no… I didn’t say a word about their beliefs, just how nice the Morman’s I’ve met seem to be and yes, I learned something from them personally.

God Bless
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I don’t think you actually crossed the boundary into proselytizing.

And I don’t think your post was anti-Catholic.

I think your post was mis-informed, considering **the thread title is an absolute statement **, saying that they are the nicest ever.

My concern was for the observers of this thread, that they might get the impression that Mormons are superior to Catholics. I am not saying that was what you intended to say.

I clearly understand that what you were trying to do was get Catholics to do more and I agree with you. I just didn’t want any observers of this thread to get the wrong idea that Mormons are superior.

I wish you well on your journey into the Church built by Jesus The Christ Himself which is the Catholic Church.

I get the impression that you will make a decent Catholic, and a fine addition to the Catholic Church, anyway that is my wish for you and all the catechumens.
 
Answersplease…

No problem…btw, the fellow had mental health problems, never excommunicated but the very devout attitude seemed to fire up his zealotry to keep the Lord’s house holy and people would also laugh at times…so he was ‘restrained’ from returning to that community…

Merry Christmas!
 
Many Evangelical Protestant groups have Roman Catholics beat hands down when it comes to warm-hearted, open-handed hospitality towards strangers. (And yes, I know the LDS/Mormons are NOT technically Evangelicals nor Protestants). They greet one another easily, have one another to their homes frequently, and just generally strive to be likeable to one another.

The flip side of this is that it CAN be artificial, put-on, even hypocritical to some degree. And, even to the extent that it is genuine, it often leads to some measure of invasiveness and boundary-crossing. It often seems as though in some sects everyone feels they have the right to know everyone’s business, pass on advice about everyone’s business, and pass judgment on how everyone else conducts their own business.

Catholics since Vatican II (and many ‘mainline’ Protestestant denominations) recognized this ‘friendliness gap’ in how they do Church compared to some of the sectarian Protestant groups. Various tactics and strategies have been pursued to help break down some of the barriers which often kept fellow-Catholics from ever getting to know their own congregants. Some of these attempts–like the ‘Kiss of Peace’ which disrupts the Mass right at the most sacred point of the service–are tacky. Others, like the after-Mass coffee klatch, tend to just be shallow.

Having said that: the Catholic Church and historic Protestant churches really do have things going for them if one gauges ‘friendliness’ by more than a handshake and a smile: permanent hospitals, charities, and other institutions for those in need are a much more sure sign of friendship IMHO.
 
Yes…

So the challenge is to restore our Christian brotherhood with the aftermath of Vatican II abuses…and work to bring about sincere and meaningful community!
 
If you tune to Fox News Channel right now 3 pm ET, it’s Glenn Beck again with Jon M Huntsman. Well worth watching it.
 
I remember 1 day I was sitting on a st. corner waiting for a friend & a Mormon came talking to me & seemed pretty polite. At 1st I thought maybe she was just being nosy or possibly thought I was a nuisence, but after awhile she just seemed worried for me & came off as a friend. She gave me a book & I showed it to my friend. He went to show his Dad & I guess he just wanted to make sure it was ok with his Dad that we were hanging out, so he came back to tell me it was ok. Well I wondered what happened with the book & they said they threw it away, because his Dad thought it was a specific religion’s book on false teachings or something.

Well I think it was the next day another friend asked me something like if I have JW friends & stuff like that, because of what my friend was saying had happened. I really didn’t see what the big deal was, but I said it was a religious lady that was friendly to me & she gave me a book. Well I guess they thought it was a JW, but I felt bad due to the fact it was a Mormon & she was so friendly to give me what I think was a hard back bible. I like my paperback NAB, but I didn’t have a bible back then & this could’ve very well been a hardback KJV that shouldn’t have been treated like that. I still to this day after so many years feel that it was so wrong how that happened & don’t even feel right saying those were my friends, because they were the type to spread rumors behind my back & had some of the dumbest senses of humor I’ve ever seen in my life.
 
Jerok said:
This’ll my last post in this thread - obviously my friendly gesture was construed as anti-Catholic. :eek:

I wasn’t ‘proselytizing’. I believe they are wrong about MANY fundamental things. Is saying they are nice, and we should be nicer, proselytizing? If it is, then I guess we, as Catholics, are just the best at everything and we can’t learn anything?

I personally love to look at someone, find the good, and learn from it. Even if what they are doing is wrong or they are almost completely evil, often I can find some passion or kindness or something that, I can find inspiring. Seek the good in people to love them, love everyone. Just because a certain religion isn’t the true religion , doesn’t mean there isn’t a LOT of good that they are doing. Obviously Catholics produce better fruits overall, but a friendly reminder to increase those fruits isn’t bad.

Perhaps I went too far and seems to condone every little thing they believed in, but no… I didn’t say a word about their beliefs, just how nice the Morman’s I’ve met seem to be and yes, I learned something from them personally.

God Bless
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Thank you again for your kind words and thoughts for the Mormons. Just to add a few more comments, I agree that Mormons (in general) tend to be a good, kind, gentle, friendly and helpful people. They are good Christians. That is how every Christian should be. But what do you think makes them so? Do you think they are hypocrites; or do you think they are like that because their religion teaches them to be so? You know how Jesus talked about recognizing His true disciples by their “fruits”? “A good tree,” He declared, “cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit” (Matthew 8:18); “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them” (Matthew 7:20). If Mormons are able to bring good fruit, the credit goes to the tree, not to themselves. It is because their religion is good, not just because they are good (which they are). “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law” (Galatians 5:22–23). “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy” (James 3:17).

When the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out devils by the prince of devils, his answer was the same: “Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit” (Matthew 12:33). Those who say Mormons are good but their religion is evil, are guilty of the same offence. They are being hypocrites. They are saying that an evil tree is bringing forth good fruit, which cannot be.
 
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